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msongs

(67,405 posts)
1. Lugar doesn't get it. The new guy is NOT about effective legislating, he is about slash
Wed May 9, 2012, 02:40 PM
May 2012

and burn destruction, total war against democrats and accomodationist values.

CBHagman

(16,984 posts)
7. I agree with you on that, and the media keeps reinforcing it.
Wed May 9, 2012, 03:14 PM
May 2012

Don't get me wrong. I have considerable respect for Lugar's efforts in foreign policy, particularly in terms of dealing with nuclear arsenals, but he did join with other GOP senators (including oft-cited moderates Snowe and Collins) in the December 2010 refusal to pass any legislation in the lame-duck session unless the Bush tax cuts were extended. He provided much-needed support on the new START treaty, but the fact remains he's accepted the GOP MO, which is basically to clog things up.

We see in this in particular with the abuse of the filibuster. I'll bet only a tiny percentage of the electorate realizes what's happening in the Senate -- i.e., that bills with majority support cannot move because Republicans block them unless there's a supermajority.

Remember too what happened when Bill Frist was majority leader and threatened the nuclear option to stop overuse of the filibuster. A bipartisan agreement was hammered out to give the GOP what they wanted while still preserving the filibuster, but once the GOP was back in the minority in the Senate, and Ted Kennedy died and the MA seat went to Scott Brown, the Republicans developed a convenient amnesia.

And feckless, brown-nosing members of the media who start chanting the myth that "Both parties do it" ought to be called out every time.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
6. I fear it's flowing into ALL States. The somewhat-sane Republican party is in its
Wed May 9, 2012, 03:13 PM
May 2012

death throes. I think it's going to be Dems against the Baggers in the not-too-distant future. I hope I'm really wrong.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
8. Interesting, yet it repeats this false meme:
Wed May 9, 2012, 03:52 PM
May 2012

"Partisans at both ends of the political spectrum are dominating the political debate in our country"

No -- there is no one on the actual left debating in Congress, on cable TV shows, or in the Oval Office, on any kind of regular, represented basis.

There is a center-right party and a far-right party, and that's it.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
9. Lugar consistently supported GOP filibusters
Wed May 9, 2012, 04:09 PM
May 2012

and voted with his leader against women's rights, taxing the rich, raising the debt ceiling, a budget deal and many, many more. In other words, he voted pretty much just the way Jim Demint and Jim Inhof voted. Lugar lacked the courage to vote his convictions, so maybe he should just go home and shut the fuck up.

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