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oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
Fri May 2, 2014, 01:29 PM May 2014

Just sent this list of embassy/consulate attacks to Issa.


Jan. 22, '02 U.S. Consulate at Kolkata, 5 killed
June 14, '02 U.S Consulate at Karachi, 12 killed
Feb. 28, '03 U.S. Embassy at Islamabad, 2 killed
June 30, '04 U.S. Embassy at Tashkent, 2 killed
Dec. 6, '04 U.S. Compound at Saudia Arabia, 9 killed
March 2, '06 U.S. Consulate at Karachi, 2 killed
Sept. 12, '06 U.S. Embassy at Syria, 4 killed
March 18, '08 U.S. Embassy at Yemen, 2 killed
July 9, '08 U.S. Consulate at Istanbul, 6 killed
Sept. 17, '08 U.S. Embassy at Yemern, 16 killed
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Just sent this list of embassy/consulate attacks to Issa. (Original Post) oldandhappy May 2014 OP
I DEMAND to know what really happened at Tashkent BlueStreak May 2014 #1
I actually do, incidentally Recursion May 2014 #32
I demand to know .... notadmblnd May 2014 #2
Thanks, madamesilverspurs May 2014 #3
Let's look at Yemen shadowmayor May 2014 #4
Only American deaths count? passiveporcupine May 2014 #11
Don't forget this major scandal... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #14
someone ask Issa who gave Gaddafi the solid gold, jewel encrusted gun and how much did the Sunlei May 2014 #5
They were trying to romance Gaddafi into: bvar22 May 2014 #18
Trump even let Gadaffai set up a tent on his property & sold him land in NYC. Sunlei May 2014 #21
Should send that list to the Democrats EC May 2014 #6
Issa Doesn't Give a Crap About Anybody Killed at Benghazi Leith May 2014 #7
BINGO Iliyah May 2014 #8
The fact that this list zentrum May 2014 #9
VERY good! K&R&T. n/t jenmito May 2014 #10
BENGAHZI, BENGAHZI,BENGAHZI. penndragon69 May 2014 #12
Not to mention the daily RPG fun in "The Green Zone". Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #13
Send it to reporters and media pundits where it will do more good. Bernardo de La Paz May 2014 #15
Thanks. I just used that info in a letter to the editor. WhiteTara May 2014 #16
gold stars oldandhappy May 2014 #17
Excellent. bvar22 May 2014 #19
It's going to the Press Democrat. WhiteTara May 2014 #22
I posted this on Facebook Mz Pip May 2014 #20
those 60 people who died in the 10 different attacks WhiteTara May 2014 #23
They weren't Americans Mz Pip May 2014 #25
Oh, of course. That's why there was no investigation. WhiteTara May 2014 #26
K&R tweeternik May 2014 #24
K&R for this important list. classof56 May 2014 #27
"This is a great opportunity to stick a needle in Issa's balloon." 3catwoman3 May 2014 #28
Triple kick grahamhgreen May 2014 #29
It's not that the media didn't report the deaths at the time. CBHagman May 2014 #30
so there were none after 2008? Niceguy1 May 2014 #31
Yemen, Tunis, Ankara Recursion May 2014 #33

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
32. I actually do, incidentally
Mon May 5, 2014, 05:40 AM
May 2014

That one still has a lot of unanswered questions.

(I'm married to a foreign service officer so this stuff hits kind of close to home for me...)

Oddly, there still are some important questions about Benghazi, and Issa is preventing the Inspector General from asking them.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
2. I demand to know ....
Fri May 2, 2014, 01:39 PM
May 2014

after all these attacks on bushs' watch, why congress went ahead and voted to cut funding for embassy security?

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
4. Let's look at Yemen
Fri May 2, 2014, 02:22 PM
May 2014

Folks,

The two attacks on the embassy in Yemen were 6 months apart and a total of 20 people were killed and at least 35 were injured. Two in the same year! What was Secreatary Rice doing about this? What was President bUSH doing about this? Where was the Congressional oversight? Did Issa give a hoot in hell about these attacks - No I think he did not care at all.

Time for the Democrats to take these phony hearings and deftly do a pivot to the attacks on all our embassies and hang this partisan crap on the Republicans. Why oh why are the Dems so reluctant to get in the fight!

This is a great opportunity to stick a needle in Issa's balloon.

Yemen, Yemen, Yemen - easier to say than Benghazi.

The Shadow Mayor

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
11. Only American deaths count?
Fri May 2, 2014, 03:50 PM
May 2014
Though no Americans working at the embassy were injured or harmed during the attack


From wiki on the Yemen attack in 2008 that killed 18 (not sixteen)
Six members of the Yemeni security forces, six attackers (one of whom wore an explosives belt), and six civilians were killed in the attack.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_attack_on_the_American_Embassy_in_Yemen

I haven't looked at all of them. Were any Americans killed at any of the attacks in this OP? If not, that may explain why Issa and the republicans in congress don't care.
 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
14. Don't forget this major scandal...
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:12 PM
May 2014
http://www.democracynow.org/2003/8/20/top_un_envoy_in_iraq_sergio

At the time I figured it to be a hit.

Mello was going directly to the Iraqi People and asking them actual questions.

The Bush Crime Family couldn't let THAT go on.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
5. someone ask Issa who gave Gaddafi the solid gold, jewel encrusted gun and how much did the
Fri May 2, 2014, 02:51 PM
May 2014

Libya vacation cost when bush and crew had the photo albums made of their visit?


Issa wants to find dirt about why we have todays problems to clean up in Libya & the middle east/Africa, even Putin troubles?, he needs to look in his RW closet for those answers.

The RW republicans built todays diplomatic problems!

"Why Gaddafi's Now a Good Guy" 2006, Time.

When I called on Libyan Leader Muammar Gaddafi in his Bedouin tent last year, he was at pains to explain how he and President Bush were on the same wavelength. In all his years as a bad boy in the eyes of the West, he said, Libya was simply doing what Bush did when he invaded Iraq. "Bush is saying that America is fighting for the triumph of freedom," Gaddafi said between sips of tea. "When we were supporting liberation movements in the world, we were arguing that it was for the victory of freedom. We both agree. We were fighting for the cause of freedom."

At the time, it may have sounded like the typical ramblings of the Libyan leader. But now, a year later, Gaddafi and Bush do apparently see eye to eye. On Monday, Gaddafi accomplished one of history's great diplomatic turnarounds when Secretary of State Condeleezza Rice announced that the U.S. was restoring full diplomatic relations with Libya and held up the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya as "a model" for others to follow. Rice attributed the ending of the U.S.'s long break in diplomatic relations to Gaddafi's historic decision in 2003 to dismantle weapons of mass destruction and renounce terrorism as well as Libya's "excellent cooperation in response to common global threats faced by the civilized world since September 11, 2001." ......

rest of article is here for anyone interested in 2006 Bush history. http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1194766,00.html



bvar22

(39,909 posts)
18. They were trying to romance Gaddafi into:
Fri May 2, 2014, 07:13 PM
May 2014

*Opening up North Africa to the IMF and Global Banks

*Finesse MORE Libyan Investment with the Wall Street Banks

*Negotiate a low price for Libyan Oil.

Gaddafi told the IMF, Western Banks, and Global Oil Corporations to Blow Smoke.

Here is what happened:


In 2009 Gaddafi Proposed Nationalizing Libya’s Oil
"The Coalition of Globalists are not interested in sheltering the Libyan people from Muammar al- Gaddafi. The no-fly zone and attacks on the Libyan military by NATO and U.S. have nothing to do with democracy and free elections.

It’s about oil – and who owns it."


“Gadhafi's creation of the African Investment Bank in Sirte (Libya) and the African Monetary Fund to be based in Cameroon will supplant the IMF and undermine Western economic hegemony in Africa.”
—Gerald Pereira, an executive board member of the former Tripoli-based World Mathaba

” For all his dictatorial megalomania, Gaddafi is a committed pan-African - a fierce defender of African unity. Libya was not in debt to international bankers. It did not borrow cash from the International Monetary Fund for any "structural adjustment". It used oil money for social services - including the Great Man Made River project, and investment/aid to sub-Saharan countries. Its independent central bank was not manipulated by the Western financial system. All in all a very bad example for the developing world.”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD27Ak01.html


Of course, NONE of the above information was presented by the US Media when the Drumbeats started sounding in the USA.
It is more than a little scary to realize that NATO has become the Enforcement Arm of the Global Banks & The IMF.

The Disaster Capitalists were happy to Piggy Back on the legitimate Arab Spring uprisings in the Middle East to enter a stalemated Civil War in Libya
to Take Out the main obstruction blocking the IMF from the riches of North Africa.

Google: Gaddafi and The IMF

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
21. Trump even let Gadaffai set up a tent on his property & sold him land in NYC.
Fri May 2, 2014, 07:32 PM
May 2014

The 1%, oil/mining Corps, Bush-wars and the RW, they built the current hate of the American people.

EC

(12,287 posts)
6. Should send that list to the Democrats
Fri May 2, 2014, 03:11 PM
May 2014

and tell them that Elijah Cummings shouldn't be the only one out there fighting these thugs.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
7. Issa Doesn't Give a Crap About Anybody Killed at Benghazi
Fri May 2, 2014, 03:17 PM
May 2014

He's just performing his role as Pain in the Democrats' Ass.

He also knows damn well that more progressive/liberal/Democratic groups were targeted by the IRS. He's a hyperpartisan asshole. It's why his masters got him elected.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
8. BINGO
Fri May 2, 2014, 03:28 PM
May 2014

and also the up coming November elections by bringing out the C R A Z I E S. This time, I feel he and his GOPer cohorts will fail and instead bring out the Dems voters.

GOPers do not work for the American people and they are not helping nor solving the need for stronger economy and well paying jobs.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
9. The fact that this list
Fri May 2, 2014, 03:32 PM
May 2014

...has been well known since Issa started this nonsense is, IMO, due to Democratic lack of offense and defense. We should not have to deal with this expensive and maybe damaging distraction---and wouldn't be, if the Democrats had pushed back hard to begin with.

This is like the IRS witch hunt where the "news" was that TeaParty groups had been specifically targeted. Only after the investigation has begun, does it become "news" that progressive groups were targeted even more. Why didn't progressives and Democrats scream this from the rafters in the first place?

I agree with Nader on this one: the left is still appeasing bullies.

Appeasement empowers bullies.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
15. Send it to reporters and media pundits where it will do more good.
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:16 PM
May 2014

You know that a staffer will deep six the email and won't care. Issa won't see it and wouldn't care if he did.

WhiteTara

(29,711 posts)
16. Thanks. I just used that info in a letter to the editor.
Fri May 2, 2014, 07:04 PM
May 2014

Last edited Fri May 2, 2014, 08:00 PM - Edit history (1)

In case you're interested and want to use any part of it for other lttes.

Dear Editor,
I was at a public business building the other morning and the first thing I heard was the horror of the Obama Administration because 4 people died almost 2 years ago in Benghazi Libya. Since then we have had dozens if not a hundred Congressional hearing led by Republican Congressman Darrell Issa.

While the death of 4 Americans in a volatile place in the world during that country’s revolution is tragic, I thought I should see how this stacks up with deaths in our embassies during the Bush Administration.
Here are the statistics:

Jan. 22, '02 U.S. Consulate at Kolkata, 5 killed
June 14, '02 U.S Consulate at Karachi, 12 killed
Feb. 28, '03 U.S. Embassy at Islamabad, 2 killed
June 30, '04 U.S. Embassy at Tashkent, 2 killed
Dec. 6, '04 U.S. Compound at Saudia Arabia, 9 killed
March 2, '06 U.S. Consulate at Karachi, 2 killed
Sept. 12, '06 U.S. Embassy at Syria, 4 killed
March 18, '08 U.S. Embassy at Yemen, 2 killed
July 9, '08 U.S. Consulate at Istanbul, 6 killed
Sept. 17, '08 U.S. Embassy at Yemen, 16 killed

However, I do not find any Congressional hearing led by the Republicans because 60 Americans were killed during 10 attacks on our embassies around the world during the last administration. From the coverage on Fox News, one might think this one incident in Libya was the only attack on our embassies over the past 300 years. But the tragic truth is that 60 Americans died in 10 attacks during George Bush’s term in office while 4 died in one attack during the entire presidential term of Barack Obama.

So, dear fellow Americans, the next time the Republicans bring up “Benghazi” ask yourself why are they trying to distract us? Could it be that the Republican Congress just denied us all a pay raise while they themselves were paid large sums of money by corporate lobbyists. It’s a of thumb of the nose at us as they have theirs and who cares about us.

When it comes to voting, ask yourself who demanded we have health care and are working to increase our very meager wages. The answer is Democrats of course. Vote Democratic each and every time for every position on every ballot and tell all your friends to do the same thing.

As FDR liked to say, “If you want to live like a Republican, vote for a Democrat.”


WhiteTara

(29,711 posts)
22. It's going to the Press Democrat.
Fri May 2, 2014, 08:01 PM
May 2014

This is an Arkansas newspaper...rather right wing no matter the name.

Mz Pip

(27,442 posts)
20. I posted this on Facebook
Fri May 2, 2014, 07:19 PM
May 2014

It was in response to one of the endless Bengazhi posts going around. The response was that no Americans died in the attack and no one lied about what happened or who was responsible.

Still don't get what the lie was. The administration reported what they thought at the time but as more information came out the details changed. That's not lying. That is just updating information as more becomes available.

WhiteTara

(29,711 posts)
23. those 60 people who died in the 10 different attacks
Fri May 2, 2014, 08:03 PM
May 2014

didn't kill anyone? Is that what they said? Yikes, dumber than posts.

3catwoman3

(23,980 posts)
28. "This is a great opportunity to stick a needle in Issa's balloon."
Sat May 3, 2014, 12:57 AM
May 2014

Too bad we can't stick something else somewhere else, but his head is already up there.

CBHagman

(16,984 posts)
30. It's not that the media didn't report the deaths at the time.
Sat May 3, 2014, 10:07 AM
May 2014

There was a steady stream of news stories about bombings, ambushes, assassinations, and the like.

Here's the link to the American Foreign Service Association memorial plaques. Search Iraq and you will find several names of people who died in attacks on the embassy.

[url]http://www.afsa.org/afsa_memorial_plaque_list.aspx[/url]

Then there were the attacks on USAID workers, including Laurence Foley (in Jordan) and Stephen Vance (in Pakistan).

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2367311.stm[/url]

[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/13/pakistan-usa[/url]

There are others, of course.

What was different about Benghazi was that it occurred weeks before Election Day and on a September 11th to boot, and subsequently seized upon by the same media and political figures who sneer at U.S. government workers in particular and foreign service officers in particular. Suddenly they all care when it's September 11th and there might be an angle to use against the administration.

Of course some in the media are complicit in this, especially given the use of the he said/he said approach to reporting, and/or so-called fact-checking that incorporates the checker's emotions into the procedure (I'm looking at you, Glenn Kessler!)

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