A simple ACA question

[SmittynMo]

The GOP hates Obama!!! Worse than anything I've ever seen in my lifetime. The level of disrespect for the position of President Of the United States has hit a new high. They have admitted they will stop everything he tries to do. The racism from the right is absurd. They have attempted appeals against the ACA 48 times. I can go on and on. They obviously hate him in the worst way possible. Ok, I get the hatred part. And this brings me to my question.

I really don't care who people like or dislike. It's going to happen. It's politics. But why would ANYONE in their right mind (either side) NOT want national healthcare for it's citizens?

[JoePhilly]

1. They see themselves as in competition with you.

The more you have, the less they have.

If they get something that you don't get, they earned it. If you get something that they didn't get, you're a leach.

They also believe that their "struggles" make them more righteous, and more patriotic, than you are.

The suffering of others lifts them up, those people suffer because they deserve to suffer.

[rurallib]

2. control. One of the best ways to control employees or citizens

is to ration their access to medical care. Thus employees become more docile when they know that leaving a job means losing medical care for them and their family. For those without access, these are undesirable people and thus lack of medical care access helps deplete and control their number.

Also profit - with the right laws in place and lack of regulation insurance can be real profitable.

[unblock]

4. i buy this argument only up to a point.

it's not without merit, people do indeed stick with an undesirable job solely for the healthcare.

but then again, employers have been ruthless in gutting nearly every other form of benefit that would similarly retain employees.

was big business opposed to the 401(k) and ira ideas when they first came out? did they say no, we'd rather employees stick around for our great pension benefits? hardly! they jumped at the idea of letting employees fend for themselves in their old age and quickly started to unravel the whole pension concept.

i don't know why, in the long run, they wouldn't be happier not having to deal with and pay for healthcare benefits. if everyone had single-payer insurance through the government, employers wouldn't have to pay a dime.

[rurallib]

5. access to medical care is immediate and personal

plus it often also directly affects their families. And in the the past 30+ years getting access to medical care (insurance) was not possible outside of group plans. If someone did it was often incredibly expensive and had lots of clauses exempting many conditions. If they could even get insurance. Access to that group insurance was (still is in many cases) a real choke hold on employees.

Back in my working days, I would hear almost every day, sometimes many times a day, "I would walk out that door if it wasn't for the health insurance." And there were always the horror stories of folks who did leave and then either couldn't get insurance or it was way prohibitively expensive.

My experience is that the health insurance was the greatest control lever the company had. Shoot when I was a union rep, management would usually reference it in meetings.

[antigop]

10. perhaps companies make money off of their healthcare plans?

I don't know of any law that says they can't.

A move to single payer would eliminate the profit stream.

[unblock]

3. you say you get the hatred part but still you need to ask?

they want to deny obama a political victory, period.

the aca creates a large constituency of people who now feel gratitude toward obama and the democratic party, and this does not make republican strategists happy, so they are doing everything they can to try to take away that political victory. in the meanwhile, it serves as a great fund-raising talking tool from their hardcore base.

remember, this is a plan original developed by the right-wing heritage foundation, and originally put into practice at the state level by mitt rmoney. had a republican president pushed this, the whole right wing would have loved it and called it the best thing since sliced bread.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

6. At some point

They will probably attempt to take credit for it though I wonder if people will actually fall for it.

[unblock]

8. yeah they've kinda gone all-in on this one.

but then again they've proven themselves more than capable of pulling off the big lie....

[wandy]

7. Don't confuse hared with greed. The ACA even with it's current shortcommings......

is the first step toward some form of universal health care. Not only does it bring us closer to being an enlightened nation, it has the potential to hurt the profit margin of numerous GOP owners.

You have to ask weather racism is the reason for the obstruction or if racism is just a cheep and handy tool used by the rich and powerful to help ensure they remain rich and powerful.

[SmittynMo]

9. It's the only humane thing to do

I just don't get it. Other countries have national healthcare for a reason. It's called humanity.

Yet these far right pricks are totally against it. Are they that inhumane? I think we all know the answer.


Regarding some other posts here:

401K's? Investing your money in the stock market? Yeah, you make good money, but it can all be gone in days. We are still as vulnerable now as we were in the Bernie Madoff days. Nothing has changed.

Pension plans? These are close to non existent anymore. And if they do exist, where is all that money going? Stock Market? Can you trust them to pay 20-30 years down the road?

Do you see a trend here? Scares the hell out of me.

[Wounded Bear]

11. Money...

For profit healthcare cannot compete with government provided healthcare. They see people's pain and suffering as revenue streams and universal HC would disrupt that stream. That's the direct reason the healthcare/insurance industry has. Indirectly, self-styled Libertarian zealots demand that everybody "earn" their benefits, and revel in making it harder for them to do so, and believing that government has no rights nor responsibilities re: its people.

[Sunlei]

15. that is it, money. There are a lot of profits from $20 dollar band-aids & $6k bags of saline water.

especially if payment comes from all OUR state or all OUR federal money and is stuffed into 'for profit' medical companies pockets.

We heard it right from republican romneys big mouth as he did his "shits and giggles dinner", with his 'supporters'. 47% of 'We the People' are a total useless drag to them. and his "I saved the Olympics" bragging- "I know how to get Federal money". Romneys a pro at eating up Americas taxpayer money and wringing out decades of tidy personal profits.

We have thousands & thousands of takers/ users/ leeches like Romney in America. They have bled America dry as an old bone. They will continue to bleed out any profits from the lower class and toss away the useless corpses.

[jamzrockz]

12. This is a really weird question to ask

You do know that some people truly believe national healthcare is bad? and that it would lead to rationing, low standard, death panels and increase in govt control.

If the voter who the GOP represents believes in it then the GOP rep would have to go along or he would be challenged by some tea party guy who genuinely believes in this stuff.

[SmittynMo]

13. It's quite simple.

There's just no fix for stupid. Give it up. These people talk in one way conversations only. You'll never fix stupid.

[Rstrstx]

14. You answered your own question

They don't want the WH to get the win on Romneyc, errr, Obamacare.