Hillary Clinton's Atlantic interview may be fatal to her chances for the presidency

[egbertowillies]

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Hillary Clinton took a swipe at President Obama on the specific issue he got elected on and she lost on. Yet, like some people who refuse to accept reality, she believes that kicking the President at a low point in his polls would somehow vindicate her biggest political blunder. Instead of accepting neocon type policies as proven failures, she seem to believe the current state in Syria and Iraq somehow vindicates her.

In yesterday’s post titled “Obama slams reporter’s Right Wing adopted talking point as bogus and wrong (http://bit.ly/1AaZGzF)” Hillary Clinton was quoted from the Atlantic jabbing the President.

"This is what Clinton said about Obama’s slogan: “Great nations need organizing principles, and ‘Don’t do stupid stuff’ is not an organizing principle.”

She softened the blow by noting that Obama was “trying to communicate to the American people that he’s not going to do something crazy,” but she repeatedly suggested that the U.S. sometimes appears to be withdrawing from the world stage."

Maybe Hillary Clinton does not quite understand what stupid stuff means. Her interview reveals that she is not much different than John McCain or Lindsey Graham on foreign policy.

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http://egbertowillies.com/2014/08/12/hillary-clinton-the-atlantic-neocon/

[tk2kewl]

1. and "do do stupid stuff" is better?

"don't do stupid stuff" is the obvious first and most important "organizing principle"
in my view

[riverwalker]

2. not ready now, not ready ever

her "stage managed" comment about the civilian deaths in Gaza still has me fuming, it's the same as Netanyahu's "telegenically dead" children. I was lukewarm before, now I am ice cold.

She would prefer these children die silently, shhhhh, no cameras, no photos, bury them quickly before the world can see, as we always did before. She sold her soul to AIPAC.

*Graphic Photos Warning*

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/special-topics/gaza-under-attack-in-photos-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%88%D8%B1/

[Politicalboi]

3. Hillary talkith too muchith

Why does she keep doing stupid things.

[movonne]

5. Maybe because she is not ready for prime time..How we must

look to the rest of the world..

[blkmusclmachine]

4. One Can Hope.

[Legalequilibrium78]

10. Hillary Clinton will win the party's nomination

Some of you here on D.U. loathe the idea of Hillary becoming the Democratic party's nominee, but in my opinion she is by far the most qualified to run and to lead the country as it's next president.

Her comments with regards to Israel is not something she should be embarrassed about, nor need to apologize for it in the future. I for one will work my butt off into making the hope of making Hillary Clinton as the next U.S. president a reality.

[AtomicKitten]

11. inevitable, again

[Legalequilibrium78]

43. I say fortunate for the U.S.

If Hillary wins, and unfortunately for you.

[AtomicKitten]

44. blustery talk considering the faceplant she did last time

She and hubby have promoted the TPP and the Keystone pipeline - both bad for America. Her promotion of neocon foreign policy as in The Atlantic interview is really bad for America. Voting yea on the Iraq WAR Resolution was really, really bad for America. I look forward to voting against her again.

[Legalequilibrium78]

46. You are more than welcome

Please feel free to advocate for your preferred candidate. Just know and understand that no matter who it is, male or female politcians will and have to make certain poltical compromise. There is no political party and or any American politicians past, present, and or in the future who wielded complete control on every political agendas, program proposals, and on any foreign policy actions exercised from past American administrations, Democrat or Republican.

If you are going to hold the IRAQ war resolution on Hillary as though somehow she alone was the brainchild behind and the sole person responsible for the IRAQ II operations. Hillary Clinton exercised and fulfilled her duty as an elected Senator, and made her vote based on what she thought was the right course of action. She exercised her responsibility to her constituents and to the country that she is serving. If your criteria is to eliminate her from the process or possibility of being voted as the next U.S. President, so be it. You and your like minded group of supporters have that right and prerogative to exercise.

As for Hillary's supposed neo-con policies, that is just plain idiotic and laughable. Must a person or candidate pick a position based on how it supposed to be perceived amongst her ardent critics? The one's that supposedly hold the lever of power in the Democratic party? Just because she is supporting the right of Israel to self defense against a political entity, whose sole mission is to eradicate Jews and the destruction of Israel; it does not mean she is pro-war or whatever the heck is that supposed to mean. The reality of our world can't be left to a bunch of wishful thinking idealists, who can't seem to either grasps the realities and complexities of the world.

Hillary Clinton will win the nomination for the presidency to represent the Democratic party. She will win it, not because of she will work hard, she will show she is made of the right qualities to be next commander-in-chief, and to lead the U.S. into the next frontier of diverse challenges that will be facing America.

[AtomicKitten]

47. I accept your apology.

[Legalequilibrium78]

48. You are welcome bud.

[JaydenD]

13. Sad that you will end up with no butt plus no Mrs. President.

I don't think she'll even run. I do want her to though - I want to see debates between her and generally honest people for the stark contrast.

[4now]

6. She was out of touch with her party last time

and now she is trying to double down.
She is a very clumsy politician and will bring ruin to the dems if she is given a chance.

[HooptieWagon]

7. I'm sure Obama meant don't do stupid stuff like vote for war in Iraq.

Hillary seems to think doing stupid stuff over and over will change the result, and makes her appear "tough" on foreign policy. No, Hillary... it just makes you look as stupid as the rest of the Neo-Cons.

[MADem]

8. Overtaken, already, by events.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/12/us-usa-politics-clinton-idUSKBN0GC1ZG20140812

[JaydenD]

12. I would say your SniperGate story was Stupid Stuff, Mrs. Clinton.

Lots of nerve to call anyone else on this planet stupid, let alone one of the smartest people on it.

[wyldwolf]

14. So says 'Egberto Willies'

I'm am very supportive of President Obama. I don't like to see Dem infighting. But face the facts - President Obama's numbers are low. EVERY Dem contender will distance themselves from him on one issue or another. Trust me, Egberto.

[karynnj]

15. Obama's numbers are low, but Clinton does not need to do this now - 3 months before the Midterms

Her positions were already clear via her very thick book - so had she waited until November, no one could have accused her of flipping due to bad results. (The results - even if better than expected - are easily cast as bad, as it is near certain that we lose Senate seats.)

The problem I have is whether her comments will further lower Obama's numbers because her comments could give "permission" to Democrats to state that Obama's foreign policy is a failure. It is hard to look at the Gallup daily series and assess if this has happened as there are many other things that are happening at the same time. I would imagine that Ferguson, Iraq and Gaza are more likely responsible for the slight dip starting this weekend. (If so, the numbers may head up starting today as the situation in Ferguson is better and the government is responding and some limited progress has been made in Iraq.)

I think Obama's lower numbers (over the last 2 years) reflect the loss of the left libertarians (over NSA etc ) and those against foreign interventions who were not happy that some troops were sent back into Iraq. (Obama's negatives rose after the Snowden stuff ( here it is hard to prove, but there seems to be a shift that started then) and as he spoke of a Syrian red line and when he spoke of Iraq in June - It is easier to see these trends on DU, rather than in the gallup poll.

[Beacool]

17. Obama is the one who's sinking The Democrats' chances of keeping the majority in the Senate.

It's not Hillary, no matter how much the Left would like to blame her.

[AtomicKitten]

18. She's sucking the oxygen out of the room.

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Just like her husband did with his book tour before the 2004 election. They set themselves on fire for attention, distracting voters before important elections.

So, yes, they are to blame for their thoughtless narcissism, always at the expense of the party.

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[Beacool]

20. I see that you're back spreading your special kind of cheer.

[karynnj]

21. What a despicable personal response

But I guess it is easier to attack a fellow DUer than to defend why Hillary has picked three months before the election to do this.


By the way, in answer to the op, I doubt it will be fatal to her 2016 run. At this point, they are doing even better than in 2008 in making her completely inevitable. This time they might prevent anyone else gaining enough oxygen. As the attacks are on foreign policy and there have been few elections that turn on foreign policy, she will likely be just fine. (Assuming that this is a one time shot and isn't seen by enough people as really unlikable behavior.)

[Beacool]

41. I suggest you stay out what doesn't concern you.

Kitten and I have a long antagonistic history.

[karynnj]

22. Glad to see you back and hope everything is well

[AtomicKitten]

24. hi Karen

I'm rolling with life much better now with some help, thank you for asking. Hope all is well with you too.

[MBS]

25. I have to say that I agree.

The timing of the interview certainly does no favors either to Obama, or to Dems running for election in November. The timing seemed to be all about what was calculated to be in Hillary's interest, not her party's or her president's interest. Not impressive, and not ultimately (IMHO) in Hillary's interest, either, as the whole incident brought back bad memories of the 2008 primaries, and revealed a lack of graciousness , diplomacy and loyalty that, even after a week's reflection, still bothers me. By all reports, HRC (like her husband) puts great stock in loyalty, to them. Given the nature of politics (that old saying: if you want a friend in Washington, get a dog. . ) , this is understandable; but it would be more impressive if I saw more signs that the loyalty goes two ways. Certainly, a former SoS owes it to a sitting president, under whom she served, and who is currently besieged with a shocking number of urgent crises (almost none of them of his making) at least to wait until after the November midterms, to agree to an interview of this sort.

Ah, yes, I'd almost forgotten about Bill's 2004 book tour, which did Kerry's campaign no favors, either.
Classic. Sigh. And it reminded me of some video clip of HRC this past week, in which she offered a qualification that some policy (can't remember which-- maybe Syria) was in good order in the first term, but, implicitly not in the second term, when Kerry was SoS. Again , not gracious, not tactful or diplomatic, not classy.

[AtomicKitten]

45. well said

cheers

[karynnj]

19. Well, Hillary is certainly not helping here!

What EXACTLY has Obama done to lower the Democrats' chances?

- Led a passage of a health care bill that has given millions health insurance they did not have before? Like Hillary wanted to do in 1993 and was 100% behind.

- Reduced our military's exposure in Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you think a high percent of people agree with HRC that we should have left a force behind. (Not to mention, we did not get a SOFU - I think our "top diplomat" was not involved in this. After Biden failed, did she try?)

- Was instrumental in removing all the chemical weapons in Syria (imagine if they were still there.) Note - this has to be really good as HRC claims credit - though out of government - in her new book for this happening.

I suspect that Obama's numbers will recover. In fact, yesterday had some good things happen. It seems that Obama's actions and his comments have helped restore calm in Ferguson. In addition, his humanitarian mission to rescue people in Iraq succeeded -- and there was some promising new on the new Iraq government.

[Cha]

37. Two years out.. right now.. that could change in a GD Hot NY minute.. Best thing for her

to do is not pander to the fucking neocons.


Thanks Egberto!

[Beacool]

16. And the guy who wrote this piece is who?????

Please............

[JaydenD]

23. Those are Clinton's words: the stupid stuff. This has been reported elsewhere.

What does it matter if who wrote the piece isn't popular enough with you?I would hazard a guess that if this was a puffy sweet potato piece on Cllinton by the same unknown you'd be entralled, am I correct?

You realize this is a DUer, don't you? How about you, who are You that your word carries more weight than the first poster?

[Beacool]

28. Frankly, I don't care who wrote the piece.

I don't agree with his/her conclusions and that's my right. As for the "stupid stuff" comment, she's correct. That's not policy.

[tularetom]

26. It's a good thing she only has 2 feet because there's no room in her mouth for any more

As far as I'm concerned, I hope she keeps it up. She's becoming a joke and weakening her own chances.

I don't know if she's getting bad advice from her idiot advisors or her blowhard husband, or if she really is that stupid, but if she keeps on trashing the first black president, you can expect a lot of African American voters to sit out the 2016 general election.

That said, the country will survive if she's elected. We survived two terms of bush and she's not quite that bad.

[Cha]

38. agreed.. and I seem to remember she already walked back by trying to apologize and say

she wasn't attacking Pres Obama". LOL After the results came in from her Atlantic interview.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

27. It's no use running for the presidency using Republican-lite

Democrats should be marching to victory as one

[sendero]

29. As far as I am concerned...

.. anyone who voted for the IWR is intellectually and/or ethically disqualified to speak of foreign policy. There is no way anyone could do anything stupider than that.

[Thinkingabout]

30. Hey, you can bash but the record speaks for itself, we should be promoting democrats instead of

bashing.

Just to help you with the record here is a site to follow:

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/hillary_clinton.htm


enjoy, we don't need to repeat the same twisted words.

[BlueStater]

31. Good.

Please just go away already.

[JaydenD]

32. A good and long read on the many occasions of Hillary's Hawks.

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/02/10/is-hillary-clinton-a-neocon-lite/

This person is unfit to represent Democrats in any election. She is absolutely a neocon, and not so lite.

[WhoWoodaKnew]

33. well, we're screwed then. because it's either her or a republican.

[BlueStater]

34. You mean she already won the nomination?

That's funny. And all this time I was sure that we had something called a "primary". Silly me.

[JaydenD]

35. That is not true and a sick way to threaten those who think Clinton is not right for the job

of President for all Americans, not just her friends in high places.

Hillary has more baggage than the average politician so nothing has to be fabricated to put her in a poor light and show she is not who she claims to be - it's what she has said and done and is on tape and on record that will harm her. She continually shoots herself in the foot then places said foot in mouth. She is just terrible at that and so we can make fun of her or defend her with her silly 'dead broke' kind of stories, but when negotiating with the world and dangerous situations, such a lack of tact and thoughtfulness will be devastating.

If you think a delusional liar that would have the gall to come up with Snipergate and make it sound like it was of no consequence is fit for office, who am I to challenge your beliefs.

[WhoWoodaKnew]

36. I'm not threatening anyone. That's just the way I see it.

[LloydS of New London]

39. Well, it was certainly fatal to my support for her

I'll be looking at Sanders or Warren, as HRC has revealed herself to be a card-carrying neocon.

[tgards79]

40. A Good Read

My take plus the interviews themselves: http://www.borntorunthenumbers.com/2014/08/two-must-read-interviewsread-them-dont_14.html