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angrychair

(8,698 posts)
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 05:50 AM Nov 2014

die science die

This is why elections matter. Why good candidates matter. When things like 2014 happen, some numbnut, like chris stewart (r-nat) thinks its ok to sponsor a POS bill that sends us screaming into the abyss.
Bills that do shit like this:
"In what might be the most ridiculous aspect of the whole thing, the bill forbids scientific experts from participating in “advisory activities” that either directly or indirectly involve their own work. In case that wasn’t clear: experts would be forbidden from sharing their expertise in their own research"

http://www.salon.com/2014/11/19/house_republicans_just_passed_a_bill_forbidding_scientists_from_advising_the_epa_on_their_own_research/

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die science die (Original Post) angrychair Nov 2014 OP
and this expertise was probably paid for by federal grants and loans greymattermom Nov 2014 #1
...and then there's that pesky Constitution markbark Nov 2014 #2
I agree angrychair Nov 2014 #7
A clear example of Idiocracy. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #3
It is insanity. But it doesn't start at elections, it is plain old money. raouldukelives Nov 2014 #4
My anxiety level just went up. ffr Nov 2014 #5
This is what democracy looks like? world wide wally Nov 2014 #6

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
1. and this expertise was probably paid for by federal grants and loans
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 06:31 AM
Nov 2014

How about looking at it that way? Any expertise that the federal government buys it should be able to use. This is why we have to post our publications that were supported by federal grants on PMC. So folks can make use of the expertise they bought.

markbark

(1,560 posts)
2. ...and then there's that pesky Constitution
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 08:01 AM
Nov 2014

Where the 1st amendment expressly forbids laws that prohibit free speech or rights of association.

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
7. I agree
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 02:04 PM
Nov 2014

I believe that SCOTUS would rule it unconstitutional but the fact they would even try is unnerving and mind-boggling.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
4. It is insanity. But it doesn't start at elections, it is plain old money.
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 08:57 AM
Nov 2014

That is to say, all the money people from the world over invest in the coffers of corporations who then use that money to create the world they and those who back them, wittingly or unwittingly, strive towards.

Think of all the people out there, day out and day in, sweating, stressing, studying, achieving, putting in OT, increasing corporate donations. All in the service of a business that cares only about making as much money as possible, in the shortest time as possible, damn the consequences.
Then, when that business uses that money and power derived from all those little Herculean efforts to back & lobby our politicians and literally destroy our biosphere, some of those who toil so hard in the service of them seem almost oblivious to the responsibility they shoulder.

These things do not occur by accident. A lot of people put in a lot of time and effort to make these things happen. All being built on the foundations laid down by ancestors who most likely toiled and died in the same servitude.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
5. My anxiety level just went up.
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 08:58 AM
Nov 2014

Who amongst us didn't see this coming though?

Which is why I worked on the 2014 mid-term GOTV. It didn't have any noticeable effect, but at least when we go down I'll take comfort in knowing I put up a struggle.

world wide wally

(21,742 posts)
6. This is what democracy looks like?
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 11:05 AM
Nov 2014

We did vote for this shit ...and then we pretend to be offended if someone calls Americans stupid

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