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Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 10:09 PM Jun 2015

What Bernie learned from Ralph.

Run inside, not outside. You may not gain any ground...but you can look like a team player in your effort. Love that Bernie is now a Democrat and is supporting the Party....except I think Bernie will bail from the Democrats if he loses. What then?

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What Bernie learned from Ralph. (Original Post) Old and In the Way Jun 2015 OP
He said he wouldn't. That's good enough for me. n/t FSogol Jun 2015 #1
Believe in Bernie. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #2
Oh, good god! TM99 Jun 2015 #3
Well, that's some weird shit. Are you implying that Bernie will not continue to vote with the djean111 Jun 2015 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author INdemo Jun 2015 #5
Of course. Old and In the Way Jun 2015 #6
Possibly because the "Third Way" democrats who've run the party into the ground are a wholly-owned Indepatriot Jun 2015 #8
"Third Way" stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #10
Do you realize how clueless it is for Hillary's logo to have a red arrow that points to the right? Indepatriot Jun 2015 #12
Do you have a label for everything? stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #13
"you sound like Rush..patriot..lol" Indepatriot Jun 2015 #14
google stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #30
"but why does he run from the Democratic label for 30 years?" Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #26
He would split the vote on the left & guarantee a Republican win. Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #7
I think if Sanders looses the Primary, he will support Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #9
probably true but I dont think Hillary is the INdemo Jun 2015 #11
Democrats will either go to the polls and elect a government that will work for them Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #18
Im talking about the Democrats that sayed away from the polls in 2008 and INdemo Jun 2015 #19
People who did not vote did not care enough about good government to go to the polls. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #20
I believe you're right. He knows the difference between "flawed" and "evil". riqster Jun 2015 #16
Bernie has always caucused with the Dems. riqster Jun 2015 #15
I'm pretty happy with it too. Xyzse Jun 2015 #17
Bernie Sanders has been irrelevant in Congress for most of his career. ellisonz Jun 2015 #21
I think that's because the extreme rightist Republican politicians and Main Stream Media Cal33 Jun 2015 #22
You have to play the game to win. ellisonz Jun 2015 #23
The Main Stream Media have always printed little, if anything, of what any Dem. politician Cal33 Jun 2015 #24
Ahh the Manichean explanation! ellisonz Jun 2015 #25
disagree ** Bernie will support Hillary BIG TIME if he loses...I have some cash i am willing to randys1 Jun 2015 #27
I think enough of Bernie Sanders DFW Jun 2015 #31
What do mean by bail? Cleita Jun 2015 #28
I think the question will not be if Bernie "bails on the Democrats"... cascadiance Jun 2015 #29
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
4. Well, that's some weird shit. Are you implying that Bernie will not continue to vote with the
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 10:58 PM
Jun 2015

Democrats? Er, the non-Dino Democrats? What are you implying here? You think he has spent all these years working with the Democrats in order to try and get the nomination? That's a pretty bizarre theory, so hopefully that is not what you mean. Do you think he will throw his support to the GOP? Cryptic doesn't play very well here. Unless you just wanted your blanks filled in as nastily as possible.
Bernie is a stand-up guy. Wish I could say the same about all the D's in Washington. I don't think an airplane ride would seduce him, either.

Response to Old and In the Way (Original post)

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
6. Of course.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:11 PM
Jun 2015

If he runs as an Independent he gets no attention. So he runs as a Democrat and gets some attention. Great, we need to discuss what he brings to the table, but why does he run from the Democratic label for 30 years? Maybe because he is simply a politician?

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
8. Possibly because the "Third Way" democrats who've run the party into the ground are a wholly-owned
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:19 PM
Jun 2015

Wall Street entity?......... I don't care if he calls himself a Vulcan. He's got my vote.

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
12. Do you realize how clueless it is for Hillary's logo to have a red arrow that points to the right?
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 09:53 AM
Jun 2015

Mrs. Clinton is the very definition of "Third Way". That's not silly it's sad.

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
14. "you sound like Rush..patriot..lol"
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 10:29 AM
Jun 2015

Do you know how silly you sound?.......Attention DUers: if you disagree with the all-knowing stonecutter 357 by using a commonly accepted term to describe Democrats who sound and act a whole lot like Republicans you are a silly unpatriotic Rush clone.... duly noted.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,240 posts)
26. "but why does he run from the Democratic label for 30 years?"
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 07:12 PM
Jun 2015

"Maybe because he is simply a politician?"

I think you answered your own question perfectly.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
7. He would split the vote on the left & guarantee a Republican win.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:19 PM
Jun 2015

He's better than that.

Besides, most of his supporters--like me, for instance--would drop him like a hot potato it he set out to do that.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
9. I think if Sanders looses the Primary, he will support
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:42 PM
Jun 2015

The winner, because he does not want Republicans in charge of the eb tire government.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
18. Democrats will either go to the polls and elect a government that will work for them
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 12:06 PM
Jun 2015

Or stay at home and allow Republicans to have their way with them.
We have a government elected by a majority of those who vote. People who don't vote deserve what they get.

In the General election, I will vote for the Democrats, and it doesn't matter whose name is in the top slot. Any other choice is working to put Republicans in power.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
19. Im talking about the Democrats that sayed away from the polls in 2008 and
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 01:26 PM
Jun 2015

2012 because for whatever reason did not approve of the Democratic nominee.
Hillary with her close ties to Wall St will and the Corporate mafia will not bring these voters back.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
20. People who did not vote did not care enough about good government to go to the polls.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 03:14 PM
Jun 2015

They were fine if Republicans were elected.

Because if they were against what Republicans promised, they would have gone to the polls and chosen the candidate that was closest to what they wanted, even if that candidate was a very poor fit for what they think we need.

We have a government elected by a majority of those who vote.

People who do not vote have decided it was better to have what the Republicans promised.

We have a government that to work well requires citizens to be active in electing the government. There is no promise that the best candidate is going to be on the ballot. One of those candidates will always be better than the other.

I respect people who vote. I think people who go to the polls and choose who they think is the best person of those offered have done a better service to this nation than all the veterans of foreign wars put together. Some of them are gong to vote for people and policies that I oppose. But they showed up, and they did the most important job a citizen can do.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
21. Bernie Sanders has been irrelevant in Congress for most of his career.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 04:01 PM
Jun 2015

We'll see how long this "run inside" strategy lasts given his penchant for mouthing off. No one wants to be on the team of someone they don't trust. He won't be getting the support that say Howard Dean got in 2004 from Al Gore and Jimmy Carter.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
22. I think that's because the extreme rightist Republican politicians and Main Stream Media
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 04:19 PM
Jun 2015

deliberately chose to ignore him in order to render him ineffective. And Third-Way
Democrats, naturally, at least partially followed suit. This method has been
successful for quite a long while, but not any longer.

Bernie has the tenacity of a bulldog. He doesn't give up easily. And he is gaining
enormously right now. I just wonder what things will look like in 6 months.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
23. You have to play the game to win.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 04:48 PM
Jun 2015

That tenacity is likely to produce a number of gaffes. He's riding high because he's attacking, let's see how he responds if/when the other candidates attack back. Hillary will not engage him so long as he remains a niche candidate, so it could be awhile.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
24. The Main Stream Media have always printed little, if anything, of what any Dem. politician
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 06:56 PM
Jun 2015

is saying or doing. This helps to put their own Republicans in the dark, which is one way of
controlling them.

Well, in 6 months we'll know better in which direction things will be going.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
27. disagree ** Bernie will support Hillary BIG TIME if he loses...I have some cash i am willing to
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 07:20 PM
Jun 2015

bet on that one

DFW

(54,437 posts)
31. I think enough of Bernie Sanders
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 01:15 PM
Jun 2015

...that I would not take that bet. I happen to agree with you!

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
28. What do mean by bail?
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 07:31 PM
Jun 2015

Bernie has always caucused with the Democrats when he was an Independent and I see no reason why he wouldn't still do so even if he goes back to being an Independent.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
29. I think the question will not be if Bernie "bails on the Democrats"...
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jun 2015

... but if the Democratic Party BAILS on its party constituent voters and the American people in general, like they have so many times in recent years with absolute CRAP that they are pushing like the TPP and TPA, etc. and expecting us to cheer them on like we would our high school football team!

Americans are starting to have enough of that. I think we're reaching that tipping point soon. I think that even if Bernie loses, it will be a close battle, and many people will be voting for him who have felt that the party has bailed on them in the past. If the "party" candidate wins, and doesn't deliver for the American people after being elected this time, it will be the start of either the destruction of the party, or a revolution inside it, if it isn't happening already. The next president has a choice of trying to follow in FDR's footsteps, or follow in the Whig party's footsteps...

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