Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:50 PM Jul 2015

It's just a number, right, Hillary?

...bullshit. It's the difference between food and medicine; utilities or shelter; gas or a replacement pair of shoes or clothing to replace the worn, hole-filled ones.

— Fresh off a meeting with national labor leaders, Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday spoke favorably about legislation to raise the federal minimum wage to $12 an hour, tacitly dismissing proposals by her two leading Democratic competitors who have called for a bigger increase.

Speaking with reporters, Mrs. Clinton singled out legislation proposed by Senator Patty Murray, Democrat of Washington, that would establish a $12-an-hour minimum nationwide.

As she has in the past, Mrs. Clinton did not explicitly offer a figure she would like to see adopted, but implied that certain measures, like Ms. Murray’s, were more realistic than others: Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont and former Gov. Martin O’Malley of Maryland, Mrs. Clinton’s rivals in the Democratic field, both support raising the minimum to $15 an hour.

“Let’s not just do it for the sake of having a higher number out there,” she said. “But let’s get behind a proposal that actually has a chance of succeeding.”


This is the problem with the millionaire class of legislators in Washington - higher wages for workers in America are just an abstraction to them; just a number. For workers, however, higher wages are a reality of sustenance and survival. Hard for someone who drops hundreds of dollars on a haircut, perhaps, to understand. If that seems like a cheap shot, that's just tough. Quibbling and hedging over a higher minimum wage for the millions who rely on that income to survive is a slap in the face of the working-class from elitists grown too accustomed to fattening their already swollen bank accounts from feeding off the public and corporate dole.

Disgusting. Get off of your privileged perch. Stand up and fight for us.
89 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
It's just a number, right, Hillary? (Original Post) bigtree Jul 2015 OP
It's more than most campaign interns get on any campaign. Agschmid Jul 2015 #1
Hillary is doing a fine job for the greedy class daybranch Jul 2015 #40
Yes it's hard to scrape by on $10.10 an hour. Agschmid Jul 2015 #42
I hope you are being sarcastic. $10.10 an hour is an insult. Poverty kills. People need a living rhett o rick Jul 2015 #60
It is sarcasm but remember it's what our candidates pay their interns... Agschmid Jul 2015 #64
Well no one should have to be a slave or a wage slave and those wages are slave wages. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #65
Senator Sanders is paying the $10.10. Agschmid Jul 2015 #66
I assume you have a link to show that's what he is paying. He might have trouble rhett o rick Jul 2015 #67
Why yes I do... Agschmid Jul 2015 #69
I am not familiar with that source but if true I am disappointed. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #70
Sevendays is a reputable weekly paper from Burlington, VT. Agschmid Aug 2015 #71
I really wish I was negotiating against Clinton. jeff47 Jul 2015 #2
She sure does. That's the problem. LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #5
Yes, I was giving her the benefit of the doubt that her statement was truthful. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #6
I agree emsimon33 Jul 2015 #11
What she doesn't understand is that sometimes you have to tilt against the windmills, like PatrickforO Jul 2015 #19
What I hear her saying is that the corporations will never pay $15 min wage and therefore, get used rhett o rick Jul 2015 #61
She doesn't seem to be aware of the nation-wide MOVEMENT for a LIVING WAGE sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #34
wow for once I can agree with you ibegurpard Jul 2015 #3
And supporters here were insisting she was behind the $15 per hour movement Hydra Jul 2015 #4
K&R. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #7
What's wrong with a $600 haircut? Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #8
When 1 in 4 children under 18 are in poverty, and 25 million Americans go hungry in any given month: PatrickforO Jul 2015 #21
Yeah but she earn the money and it's hers so... Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #45
Here is all you need to know about HIllary and her base: bvar22 Jul 2015 #59
Murray is a DINO emsimon33 Jul 2015 #9
After Murray voted, I took myself off her mailing list artislife Jul 2015 #13
Murray lost my support when she pushed back against impeachment rally in Olympia chknltl Jul 2015 #18
+100% Enthusiast Jul 2015 #58
This is so condescending Report1212 Jul 2015 #10
wow. does she really think restorefreedom Jul 2015 #12
+1 beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #28
right. i mean she is supposedly trying to get votes now! nt restorefreedom Jul 2015 #39
Sanders and O'Malley: Why can't they be more "realistic"? HappyPlace Jul 2015 #14
Let's see, if Hillary makes $250,000 for one speaking engagement then it would take someone jalan48 Jul 2015 #15
I could see how it might seem a little tone-deaf. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #16
Don't worry, we have a ready-to-go-answer for anyone feeling this was tone deaf... tomm2thumbs Jul 2015 #17
An alll purpose apology whathehell Jul 2015 #55
How in the *FUCK* Aerows Jul 2015 #62
It's a 25% difference. The difference between starving and living. delrem Jul 2015 #20
"Hard for someone who drops hundreds of dollars on a haircut," MyNameGoesHere Jul 2015 #22
there just is no fucking there, there. delrem Jul 2015 #23
Negotiation is not settling for less at the beginning of your negotiation tomm2thumbs Jul 2015 #24
That's assuming she's negotiating on behalf of workers vs employers n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #51
Hillary will get off her privileged perch when I join the 1%. Fuddnik Jul 2015 #25
Most of the propsals for $15 are in 2020. She could one up them by proposing $75/hour Hoyt Jul 2015 #26
The problem here ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #27
I make $13 an hour and my wife makes $10 part time bigtree Jul 2015 #30
The dismissal of your pay issue by the 2 posters above you is ugly because neverforget Jul 2015 #31
Please note ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #32
ah, well bigtree Jul 2015 #35
hear hear ... Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #74
if she has a chance at $12 bigtree Jul 2015 #29
Sanders is supporting $12/hour in 2018. I think Clinton is supporting Hoyt Jul 2015 #33
not too myopic to see Murray's base proposal of $12 is for 2020 bigtree Jul 2015 #36
I'm fine with 15, or more. But it's got to pass. $15 in Seattle ot LA, is equivalent to $12 Hoyt Jul 2015 #38
"all the rest is just noise" 2banon Aug 2015 #85
People who have never lived on minimum wage haven't a clue. SheilaT Jul 2015 #37
She should be like Bernie and make empty promises. moobu2 Jul 2015 #41
K&R. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #43
K & R L0oniX Jul 2015 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #46
The GOP House won't care how much any candidate "fights" or whether you think it's disgusting. stevenleser Jul 2015 #47
you were fine until you called this 'manufactured outrage' bigtree Jul 2015 #48
It's manufactured outrage to make this a nomination issue where one is better than the other. stevenleser Jul 2015 #49
Antonio Porchia: Voces (1943) Snotcicles Jul 2015 #56
And yet, O'Malley as Governor left in place the 'tipped employee wage' routine, and while he did Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #82
How are we supposed to convince the GOP to vote for $15 when we can't even convince Democrats? Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #76
All Democrats are convinced. That's not the issue. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #77
But Hillary refuses to endorse a $15 national minimum wage ? Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #78
Of course she's convinced. She isn't convinced $15 would pass. And I'm not convinced stevenleser Aug 2015 #79
Nope. Clinton favors local efforts but wouldn't endorse a national $15 Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #80
Yep, I'm right. Nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #83
Yeah I just showed you a statement from Hillary Clinton explaining why Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #84
Haircut, you brought up her expeses for getting a haircut?!?!?!? Persondem Jul 2015 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #53
John Edwards did have a damn good haircut though. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #54
"she doesn't pucker up and kiss the backside of every liberal cause that comes down the pike." beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #57
A real 12 versus a fantasy 15 ... you can't help your family with imaginary money Persondem Aug 2015 #72
Spoken like an indignant self righteous member of the privileged class 2banon Aug 2015 #86
You know zero about me Bern-bot. Persondem Aug 2015 #88
Au Contraire. You reveal yourself so explicitly, ye protector and defender of the 1%. 2banon Aug 2015 #89
And "TPP" are just letters....[n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #52
Her policy statements lately are delivered in a flat voice almost with an accusing tone.... KoKo Jul 2015 #63
Vote for Hillary because we all want to be in the 1% gang. L0oniX Jul 2015 #68
So what's Martin O'Malley paying his campaign staff? Agschmid Aug 2015 #73
We really need to have someone who makes $200,000/hr tell explain how $15 is too much for the people Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #75
Maybe the abstraction is pushing a policy that has no chance of passing... brooklynite Aug 2015 #81
You could start at $15 and if it doesn't pass then you could compromise to $13 or $12. Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #87

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
40. Hillary is doing a fine job for the greedy class
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:45 AM
Jul 2015

but since the rest of the country is in the needy class, her attempts to placate the issue are unlikely to get her any support except from those who prefer to stay victims. Not me Jack!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
60. I hope you are being sarcastic. $10.10 an hour is an insult. Poverty kills. People need a living
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:18 PM
Jul 2015

wage, yet we have Democrats trying offer non-living wages.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
65. Well no one should have to be a slave or a wage slave and those wages are slave wages.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:13 PM
Jul 2015

Sadly the TPP will kill more American jobs driving wages lower. My Senator wrote me saying, " will provide $450 million each year to support job training and economic assistance for workers who lose their job due to trade competition." She is acknowledging that Americans will lose their jobs because of the TPP. And she has the nerve to say that $450 million will be used to help those that do lose their jobs. That money won't come from the corporations whose profits will increase, but from taxpayers, putting a huge extra burden on those that don't lose their jobs. And now the Republicons are saying the $450 million should come from Medicare. This is a truly bipartisan screw job.

I volunteer at a foodbank and we are struggling to handle the increase in demand and the loss of donations. At least Sen Sanders offers some hope. Goldman-Sachs is most likely planning the next great bailout extortion.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
66. Senator Sanders is paying the $10.10.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:15 PM
Jul 2015

Yes that's more than Hillary but remember to question everything sure he talks about the $15.00 livable... But does he pay it? No.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
67. I assume you have a link to show that's what he is paying. He might have trouble
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:19 PM
Jul 2015

paying as much as Clinton as he isn't expecting the $2 billion dollars from the billionaire class. Goldman-Sachs doesn't give a crap about the min wage.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
69. Why yes I do...
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:52 PM
Jul 2015
http://m.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2015/07/27/sanders-touts-15-per-hour-wage-but-doesnt-pay-it

Now do you have a link for where someone says Clinton will raise anywhere near 2 Billion? Because that number is usually referenced as the cost of the election not one candidates fundraising potential... Seems to be confused here.

I think the real issue is ALL our candidates should practice what they preach and NONE of them do.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
71. Sevendays is a reputable weekly paper from Burlington, VT.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 12:31 AM
Aug 2015

Local reporting by local folks which is more than the Gannet rag, The Burlington Free Press can say ever since they decimated the news room there.

I was also disappointed to see it, but to be fair all the candidates need to improve here. I doubt any of them hit $15.00 and hour.

Looks like you were right about the 2 billion, that's a staggering number.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
2. I really wish I was negotiating against Clinton.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:02 PM
Jul 2015

She doesn't quite seem to grasp that you ask for more than you expect to get.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
11. I agree
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:28 PM
Jul 2015

The goal of the oligarchs is to keep as many people in slavery as possible and to starve the government. If people made a minimum of $15 an hour, there would fewer people on government programs and more tax revenue.

PatrickforO

(14,593 posts)
19. What she doesn't understand is that sometimes you have to tilt against the windmills, like
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:27 AM
Jul 2015

Don Quixote.

When someone told Hillary in 1992 that most Americans wanted a single payer system - Medicare for all Americans, she replied, "Tell me something I can believe in."

So now, she says that $15/hr isn't 'real.'

C'mon, Hillary - it's called political courage. Have some and you might get my vote!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
61. What I hear her saying is that the corporations will never pay $15 min wage and therefore, get used
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:21 PM
Jul 2015

to it. She appears to be saying that she will only fight for what she thinks is "real", not what people deserve. "Let them eat cake" comes to mind. Feeding them anything more "isn't real".

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
34. She doesn't seem to be aware of the nation-wide MOVEMENT for a LIVING WAGE
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:13 AM
Jul 2015

set at $15 an hr. "FIGHT FOR 15".

Doesn't she have a staff to help her with this? Same thing with BLM, she was unaware of the movement which was pretty shocking considering she has the money to hire people who ARE aware of what is going on across the country.

You wouldn't know it from the corporate media, but there have been demonstrations across the country under the banner of 'FIGHT FOR 15' with petitions etc and it isn't going to stop.

Well, she's not my candidate who is part of that movement. So not going to worry about it.

When I hear these wealthy politicians talk like this, I want to ask them to go live on $15 an hour for a while, try to raise a family etc. It just incenses me the way they so dismissively talk about being 'pragmatic' about people, to whom they cannot relate, about all this.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
4. And supporters here were insisting she was behind the $15 per hour movement
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:08 PM
Jul 2015

I suppose in a way she is- she's behind the curve trying to protect the people in power.

PatrickforO

(14,593 posts)
21. When 1 in 4 children under 18 are in poverty, and 25 million Americans go hungry in any given month:
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:35 AM
Jul 2015

EVERYTHING.

There's EVERYTHING wrong with that kind of frivolous expense. Like the recently retired CEO of ATT 'only' getting $75 million bonus for retiring, and Sen. Phil Graham says he was 'exploited.'

The jerks who think it justified to pay $600 for something I have had to do for over a decade myself just to save money, then THEIR TAXES NEED TO BE AT LEAST DOUBLED so we can afford to fix the crumbling infrastructure, make tuition free at state universities and colleges.

The other thing? If some rich guy can afford $600 haircuts once a month, then he can DEFINITELY afford to have the Social Security payroll tax cap lifted SO HE PAYS HIS FAIR SHARE. This would make Social Security solvent for good, and allow its expansion for people who need it.

And what about Medicare for all Americans. There's people out there who have lost everything because they had the bad luck to get sick. HEALTH CARE IS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT, and it needs to be free for everyone, like the British system. I'd MUCH rather have my tax dollars go for that than for the F35 fighter, or more wars, or more domestic spying, or more war on drugs.

We've got to get away from the primacy of shareholders and start making policies and chartering corporations that have to consider shareholders, labor, customers and the environment equally.

Well....that was quite a rant, wasn't it?

But, you know, that's what we need to get started on a JUST society.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
59. Here is all you need to know about HIllary and her base:
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:35 PM
Jul 2015


If you didn't make over $96,000 last year,
you're not important.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
9. Murray is a DINO
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:26 PM
Jul 2015

She voted for Fast Track and she will sell out Americans at every turn.

I can see why Hillary likes this "compromise." She keeps her corporate masters happy and she appears to help those who are working two to three jobs just to survive.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
13. After Murray voted, I took myself off her mailing list
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:46 PM
Jul 2015

And I told her and Maria Cantwell why. Those are my dems

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
18. Murray lost my support when she pushed back against impeachment rally in Olympia
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:22 AM
Jul 2015

Both her and Jay Inslee came out against impeaching George Bush and Dick Cheney. I've had little confidence in either of them since.
http://www.olywip.org/archive/page/article/2007/05/04.html

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
12. wow. does she really think
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:36 PM
Jul 2015

people won't see right through this?

12 is what many private companies are moving to anyway, or even more

when you to try to please both the people and the corporate masters you end up pissing both off.

 

HappyPlace

(568 posts)
14. Sanders and O'Malley: Why can't they be more "realistic"?
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:02 PM
Jul 2015

I mean, who among the millions of underpaid are going to support a living wage?

I mean REALLY!



Hillary, aiming kind of low, doncha think?

jalan48

(13,893 posts)
15. Let's see, if Hillary makes $250,000 for one speaking engagement then it would take someone
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:51 PM
Jul 2015

making $12/hr. 20,833 hours to make the same amount. At 40 hours per week that means the person would have to work full time for 10 years just to equal what Hillary makes in a few hours.

I don't think Hillary gets it.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
17. Don't worry, we have a ready-to-go-answer for anyone feeling this was tone deaf...
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:18 AM
Jul 2015




I think that apology should work for just about anything that comes along.


whathehell

(29,096 posts)
55. An alll purpose apology
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:48 PM
Jul 2015

means absolutely nothing. I guess she thinks

the masses are too dumb to get that.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
20. It's a 25% difference. The difference between starving and living.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:29 AM
Jul 2015

Between being on life support and having some hope.

Get a grip people. Do you really think that smacking others down 'till they're dead is a good option, just so you can "save" on their labor? Save a penny here, a dollar there? Is that what you want your country to be about? If so, then someone is going to be smacking you down, too - unless you're just so fucking entitled that you don't have to care.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dancers_at_the_End_of_Time

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
22. "Hard for someone who drops hundreds of dollars on a haircut,"
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:44 AM
Jul 2015

It's not a cheap shot, but you are stealing from someones playbook.

At least she's not French right?

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
24. Negotiation is not settling for less at the beginning of your negotiation
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:53 AM
Jul 2015

Who trains these people in Washington?

Oh, the people on the other side of the negotiating table I suppose?

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
25. Hillary will get off her privileged perch when I join the 1%.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:59 AM
Jul 2015

And that ain't never gonna happen.

She's the new Bob Dole. It's my turn. Gimme gimme gimme.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
26. Most of the propsals for $15 are in 2020. She could one up them by proposing $75/hour
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:09 AM
Jul 2015

in say 2090 or something.

To me, the biggest fact is that she has the best chance to get a significant increase enacted. All the rest is just noise.

NanceGreggs

(27,819 posts)
27. The problem here ...
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:38 AM
Jul 2015

... is that some people would rather listen to the "noise" than listen to reason.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
30. I make $13 an hour and my wife makes $10 part time
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:52 AM
Jul 2015

...we intend to make as much 'noise' as is necessary to achieve a living wage. I make no apologies for amplifying my financial plight and that of others with similar or worse economic challenges. We're evidently not making enough noise to be heard over elitists, obstructionists, and the politically timid.

neverforget

(9,437 posts)
31. The dismissal of your pay issue by the 2 posters above you is ugly because
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:03 AM
Jul 2015

it's absolutely reasonable for you and others to want to be paid a living wage. I'm sorry bigtree that there are those that would dismiss your plight as "noise".

NanceGreggs

(27,819 posts)
32. Please note ...
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:11 AM
Jul 2015

My response was not directed to the OP, but to another poster's comment. And the "noise" being referred to is that of politicians who promise what they know they can't deliver.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
35. ah, well
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:21 AM
Jul 2015

...that's what these elections are all about - generating the political capital needed through the registered expectations of voters. In that endeavor, boldness would seem to be the best motivator for animating the political class in the direction of promises and demands. Timidity in election campaigns, generally, only serves to reinforce the status quo.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
29. if she has a chance at $12
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:45 AM
Jul 2015

...it's at the expense of those standing up and demanding $15*. More likely, she'll fall short of that in some compromise, given the soft and nebulous lip service she's giving to the demands of others. There's no apparent core to her support and she's clearly lowballing the demands of this nationwide protest.

This is politics at its worst, and it's compromising on basic needs which have been repeatedly shortchanged and ignored outright by the political class in Washington for years while the cost of living rose and the standard of living dropped substantially, even as corporate profits saw record increases. These needs of workers are always treated as a miserly afterthought while other expensive ambitions of government are approved and enacted without reservation or reconsideration.

It's disgusting to be told of limits of what will be successful by someone aspiring to lead the nation's political establishment; especially from a member of the millionaire's club who has enriched herself far beyond the means of the vast majority of American voters through those associations advantaged by her public offices.

*edit

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
33. Sanders is supporting $12/hour in 2018. I think Clinton is supporting
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:12 AM
Jul 2015

something at least that good, probably better. And, she has a better chance to get it enacted.

Problem is, many folks are too myopic to see it.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
36. not too myopic to see Murray's base proposal of $12 is for 2020
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:32 AM
Jul 2015

...in two Washington cities, Seattle and Sea-Tac, $15-an-hour minimum wage laws have already been approved, with the ramp-up to $15 starting in Seattle next month.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
38. I'm fine with 15, or more. But it's got to pass. $15 in Seattle ot LA, is equivalent to $12
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:37 AM
Jul 2015

or so in most of the rest of country, with exception of other high cost areas.

But whatever, it has to stand a chance of enactment.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
37. People who have never lived on minimum wage haven't a clue.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:28 AM
Jul 2015

I'm old enough that I earned minimum wage back when it was $1.25/hour. As a single person I could actually survive on that. Just barely. Fortunately for me the minimum was raised to $1.65/hour, and then I got a job that paid a bit more. Since then, I've never had to make it on minimum wage, lucky me, but I recall rather clearly what it was like.

I really wish that those who think the current minimum is just fine would go and live on it for a year. Not for a week or a month, but a year. See what it's really like. Oh, and you need to have a spouse who also works at minimum wage, two or three kids, no car or a car that isn't the most reliable. And then factor in basic health issues. Nothing complicated, just what happens to most people.

Then, and only then can you say that the current minimum is a perfectly good wage.

Response to bigtree (Original post)

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
47. The GOP House won't care how much any candidate "fights" or whether you think it's disgusting.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jul 2015

I'm worried we won't get ANY increase for the next couple of years.

The minimum wage should be at $20, never-mind $15 or $12.

What I want to see is Republican legislators in the House that Bernie, or O'Malley or Hillary have lined up to vote for their minimum wage bill.

Point to a few. Point to one. Let's see it.

Otherwise, this manufactured outrage is over something that none of the three can realistically deliver.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
48. you were fine until you called this 'manufactured outrage'
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:58 PM
Jul 2015

...unconscionable insult to those who are struggling to make ends meet on an inadequate wage.

I wonder if your body is as battered and wracked with pain as much as my own working for a wage that barely covers expenses, much less needs. Do you listen to yourself sometimes?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
49. It's manufactured outrage to make this a nomination issue where one is better than the other.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:40 PM
Jul 2015

As an issue for working people, it's one of the more important issues.

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
56. Antonio Porchia: Voces (1943)
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:50 PM
Jul 2015

You do not see the river of mourning because it lacks one tear of your own.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
82. And yet, O'Malley as Governor left in place the 'tipped employee wage' routine, and while he did
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 06:37 PM
Aug 2015

close the gap between the minimum wage there and here in Oregon, he still left it $1 an hour behind for all and for tipped employes Oregon is even more advantageous in that such employees here get paid the full $9.25 minimum wage in addition to any tips they collect. In Maryland, tipped employees can be paid as little as $3.65, the regular minimum wage there being $8.25, which is guaranteed to them if they don't make the tips but still....the Oregon worker is 5.60 ahead on each tipping hour in spite of the on paper wage difference of just $1 between the States.
This sort of thing indicates to me that just looking at a cited hourly figure is not the full picture.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
78. But Hillary refuses to endorse a $15 national minimum wage ?
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 11:55 AM
Aug 2015

You said all Democrats are convinced but Hillary is a Democrat and she isn't convinced of a $15 national minimum wage.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
79. Of course she's convinced. She isn't convinced $15 would pass. And I'm not convinced
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 03:50 PM
Aug 2015

Either the $15 or the $12 would pass and I think it should be $20.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
80. Nope. Clinton favors local efforts but wouldn't endorse a national $15
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 04:30 PM
Aug 2015

She wants to be the "champion" of the $15 movement, but just not willing to say $15 should be the minimum wage.

And it's not because she doesn't think it would pass. She just doesn't know if it would be a good idea.

Clinton demurred, saying she favors "local efforts" but wouldn't endorse an across-the-board hike.

"I think part of the reason that the Congress and very strong Democratic supporters of increasing the minimum wage are trying to debate and determine what's the national floor is because there are different economic environments," Clinton told BuzzFeed after a campaign event in New Hampshire. "What you can do in L.A. or in New York may not work in other places."
http://mic.com/articles/122461/hillary-clinton-declines-to-endorse-15-minimum-wage

She'll fight for $12 but she won't fight for $15. Not on my side. Doesn't care about people like me.
 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
84. Yeah I just showed you a statement from Hillary Clinton explaining why
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 06:53 PM
Aug 2015

she doesn't support a $15 national minimum wage.

At yet unbelievably you look at it and say she does support it. You should be on fox news.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
50. Haircut, you brought up her expeses for getting a haircut?!?!?!?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jul 2015

Did you lambast John Edwards for his $400 haircuts in 2004?

You know the real reason DU-ers such as you have such a hard time with HRC is that she doesn't pucker up and kiss the backside of every liberal cause that comes down the pike. She knows how things work and doesn't push impractical utopian dreams that have little chance of coming to fruition. It's called being practical.

She is exactly right. A $12 increase that might make it through the House is better than a $15 dollar increase that has no chance.

Response to Persondem (Reply #50)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
57. "she doesn't pucker up and kiss the backside of every liberal cause that comes down the pike."
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:00 PM
Jul 2015

So people who are struggling to feed their families and have the nerve to criticize Hillary for not fighting for them are just whiny liberals who want their asses kissed?

Good to know we've got folks like you and Hillary on our side.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
72. A real 12 versus a fantasy 15 ... you can't help your family with imaginary money
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 12:55 PM
Aug 2015

But it does justify your indignant self-rightiousness.

Why not go for 20? You uncaring lout you.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
86. Spoken like an indignant self righteous member of the privileged class
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 07:08 PM
Aug 2015

Poster boy for George Carlin.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
88. You know zero about me Bern-bot.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:27 PM
Aug 2015

How about complete jerks for Bernie? Would be a pretty big club here at DU.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
63. Her policy statements lately are delivered in a flat voice almost with an accusing tone....
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jul 2015

lecturing us about what her positions are.

Cold Fish... I can't get onboard with her.

Does she even want to run? Second thoughts?

Whatever....I'm not in the mood to be lectured to vote for her for positions I disagree with.

She'd have to do much more work that she really cares about what she says than I've seen so far.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
68. Vote for Hillary because we all want to be in the 1% gang.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:36 PM
Jul 2015

Hey ...has she been to Seattle yet ...where the minimum wage is $15?

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
75. We really need to have someone who makes $200,000/hr tell explain how $15 is too much for the people
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 07:36 PM
Aug 2015

who make the food and scrub the floors.

Tone deaf.

brooklynite

(94,751 posts)
81. Maybe the abstraction is pushing a policy that has no chance of passing...
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 04:33 PM
Aug 2015

...in the current political arrangement. If $12 could get passed, and $15 couldn't, would there be a point to advocating $15 (and ending up with no increase at all), other than to feel righteous?

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
87. You could start at $15 and if it doesn't pass then you could compromise to $13 or $12.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 07:22 PM
Aug 2015

That would be better than pre-compromising with yourself beforehand.
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»It's just a number, right...