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BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:11 PM Aug 2015

This Week in Blackness, interview with Marissa Johnson on the Seattle actions

She talks about her tactics, the reason for them, her relationship with BLM central, and her own background. If you want to know exactly what she is about and what she was doing, THIS--she-- is the source. She also explains why Bernie, the question many have asked.

Thanks to Sonderwoman who first posted this in another thread.

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This Week in Blackness, interview with Marissa Johnson on the Seattle actions (Original Post) BainsBane Aug 2015 OP
It isn't nice. stone space Aug 2015 #1
Exactly. Occupy wasn't nice; Vietnam protestors weren't nice BainsBane Aug 2015 #2
Black folk playing nice has not gotten half the attention for racial justice that playing a bit rude has Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #3
It's gotten an epidemic of police killings of black people BainsBane Aug 2015 #4
Many are talking about how so much of the criticism is from white people BainsBane Aug 2015 #5
And yet it's driving you to distraction ibegurpard Aug 2015 #6
The "Black Community" is not monolithic kenn3d Aug 2015 #7
Seems that even Democrats are not immune to making a democratic movement monolith for the Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #8
Show we where I claimed black people were a monolith? BainsBane Aug 2015 #11
I apologize, I think I am being misunderstood in my post...I agree with you entirely. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #13
Okay, sorry for the rant then BainsBane Aug 2015 #14
It was a righteous rant, I am not offended....this video needs to be seen by everyone at DU. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #15
Who said it was? Certainly not I BainsBane Aug 2015 #10
So well said BB mcar Aug 2015 #22
Those two say it makes no sense they interrupted Bernie BainsBane Aug 2015 #12
Not me...the protest makes perfect sense to me, as explained in the video...look at the attention and results for evidence. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #16
She is sounding a lot like a Tea Bagger K lib Aug 2015 #9
No. And Ditto. What did she say in the video that so "offends" you? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #17
Some of her rhetoric about the White Supremacist K lib Aug 2015 #20
Good interview and clears up a lot of the lies and smears that have been hurled at her. DanTex Aug 2015 #18
^^^^^As you said^^^^^ Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #19
it is not a lie that she is affiliated with Farrakhan's organisation cali Aug 2015 #24
No, thanks frylock Aug 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko Aug 2015 #23

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
2. Exactly. Occupy wasn't nice; Vietnam protestors weren't nice
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:39 PM
Aug 2015

Labor activists weren't nice. They aren't nice because nice doesn't work. Fidel and Che weren't nice; Zapata wasn't nice; Toussaint tried to be nice and was killed for it.

Conformity is nice; radicalism isn't nice. Social change isn't nice.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. Black folk playing nice has not gotten half the attention for racial justice that playing a bit rude has
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:43 PM
Aug 2015

As stated by "the Sarah Palin supporter"....that one still makes me chuckle.

Apparently demonization of one person and then fixating on that one person using the distortion as representative of a much larger and noble cause is not just for Fox.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
5. Many are talking about how so much of the criticism is from white people
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:14 PM
Aug 2015

Here is a chance to hear from the protestor herself and two black radio hosts/activists. The male interviewer is Elon James White, who is awesome.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
6. And yet it's driving you to distraction
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:20 PM
Aug 2015

That Bernie Sanders and everyone supporting him are supporting this movement. Why is that? You ought to be celebrating it.

As for Ms. Johnson...if she wants to call me (and you) a white supremacist then I will simply tune her out. I fully embrace the movement she is behind however.

kenn3d

(486 posts)
7. The "Black Community" is not monolithic
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:28 PM
Aug 2015


read the comments also ...
If you care about the movement, you should also care about how it promotes our cause.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
8. Seems that even Democrats are not immune to making a democratic movement monolith for the
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:51 PM
Aug 2015

express and sole purpose of undermining them.

Hasn't BLM made it clear that Ponc and WW folk are needed as allies, and not just to be allied?

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
11. Show we where I claimed black people were a monolith?
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:01 PM
Aug 2015

What I see here is one excuse after another to ignore points of view that people find uncomfortable. First posts by AA members are hidden and they are put on forced leave. Then white people who post about anti-racism are told their views don't count because they are white--yet that is never a concern when people are criticizing BLM. Then I post an interview with the PROTESTOR herself, so you all can see what her motives and tactics are about, and people come up with excuses not to listen to it by saying "you're claiming all black people are alike." No, I'm posting an interview with Johnson herself, an interview by a leading black radio show, on a network run by Elon James White, a well-known activist and public figure. It's a POV of the woman who carried out the activism.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
13. I apologize, I think I am being misunderstood in my post...I agree with you entirely.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:04 PM
Aug 2015

I was responding to the ken3d post.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
14. Okay, sorry for the rant then
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:06 PM
Aug 2015

This is all surreal to me. I expect liberals to be allies of these movements. To support them. I just have so much trouble with the reactions. I think people can and should support Bernie AND BLM. They are not mutually exclusive.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
15. It was a righteous rant, I am not offended....this video needs to be seen by everyone at DU.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:07 PM
Aug 2015

Folks are getting all hair on fire about "liberal white supremists" being uttered by a few black folk when all it is is what MLK stated, just using an updated term.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
10. Who said it was? Certainly not I
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:56 PM
Aug 2015

You all have been speculating about the motives and associations of the protestors for days. Now you have an opportunity to hear them from the woman herself, yet you come up with an excuse not to listen.



I posted an article and was told I had no position to speak because I was white. Then I post a black radio show, and I hear more excuses for why people don't wan to listen.

TWIB is an influential radio show among black people. I posted it in case some people are actually interested in what motivates the protestors, how and why they chose the targets and tactics they do. Rather than speculating as to what they are about, you care hear it from the woman herself.


What is this cause of yours? Getting Sanders elected? That's a "cause"? In what conception of activism does a man's political career constitute a cause? When I vote, it won't be a cause. I'll just be casting a vote. That is all it is. Politicians are not causes. Black Lives Matters is a cause.

Obviously the black community is not a monolith, nor do they all agree that black people need to be grateful for what white "progressives" allow them. Clarence Thomas is black. Ben Carson is black. They have the same rights as every other black person to express their political views, even if they do not reflect the views of the majority of black people. The same goes for the BLM activists and the certain percentage of African Americans who support Bernie, though I would be interested to see poll results showing how many remain after these recent events.

Some black people are also are saying our lives have value, our lives matter. For them, their lives are more important than Sanders career or your feelings. I happen to share that view. I will stand with human life, human rights, and racial equality over any politician or any group of people who find that movement discomforting. Too many folks here focus entirely on their feelings and the notion that Bernie is too important to be troubled by black women complaining about black people being killed. Black folks should just know he is the best they can ever hope for; they need to keep their mouths shut and be deferential because it hurts the feelings of some white folks to have any criticism directed their way. They are so certain they are superior, no cause, no activism, no movement for human lives can possibly matter as much as their feelings. Hence the concept of white fragility, which is the central impediment to anti-racism.

As the quote from MLK about white moderates reveals, the central impediment to fighting racism is not Klansmen and NeoNazis, but people who believe themselves well-intentioned but criticize tactics and activism.


"I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: 'I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action'; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a 'more convenient season.'" -Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
12. Those two say it makes no sense they interrupted Bernie
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:04 PM
Aug 2015

To understand why they did, you can listen to the protestor herself. She is quite clear on the matter.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
16. Not me...the protest makes perfect sense to me, as explained in the video...look at the attention and results for evidence.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:09 PM
Aug 2015

K lib

(153 posts)
20. Some of her rhetoric about the White Supremacist
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:23 PM
Aug 2015

She seem very self centered and focused a lot on herself. She at one point said

I dont give a fuck about the whitegate
. She had no faith in the political process and electoral college.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
18. Good interview and clears up a lot of the lies and smears that have been hurled at her.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:12 PM
Aug 2015

I mean, reading DU, you'd think she just ran up to Bernie and called him a white supremacist jew while wearing a Sarah Palin t-shirt.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
24. it is not a lie that she is affiliated with Farrakhan's organisation
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 03:14 PM
Aug 2015

It is not a lie that she called her action bow down bernie. It is not a lie that she demanded he publicly apologize.for unspecified actions against poc. It is not a lie that she she called him and white liberals white supremacists. It is not a lie that she refused to let Bernie speak even after all her demands had been met. It is not a lie.that she wrote that white liberals are more racist and worse for poc than white conservatives.

I think she's under a religious delusion and that it's more about her and self-aggrandizement than anything else. I base that on having listened to her radio interview, reading what she's written, watching the raw video of the Saturday protest, the video of her protest at a city council meeting.

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