2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThis Week in Blackness, interview with Marissa Johnson on the Seattle actions
She talks about her tactics, the reason for them, her relationship with BLM central, and her own background. If you want to know exactly what she is about and what she was doing, THIS--she-- is the source. She also explains why Bernie, the question many have asked.
Thanks to Sonderwoman who first posted this in another thread.
stone space
(6,498 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Labor activists weren't nice. They aren't nice because nice doesn't work. Fidel and Che weren't nice; Zapata wasn't nice; Toussaint tried to be nice and was killed for it.
Conformity is nice; radicalism isn't nice. Social change isn't nice.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)As stated by "the Sarah Palin supporter"....that one still makes me chuckle.
Apparently demonization of one person and then fixating on that one person using the distortion as representative of a much larger and noble cause is not just for Fox.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)and it's time to change that.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Here is a chance to hear from the protestor herself and two black radio hosts/activists. The male interviewer is Elon James White, who is awesome.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)That Bernie Sanders and everyone supporting him are supporting this movement. Why is that? You ought to be celebrating it.
As for Ms. Johnson...if she wants to call me (and you) a white supremacist then I will simply tune her out. I fully embrace the movement she is behind however.
kenn3d
(486 posts)read the comments also ...
If you care about the movement, you should also care about how it promotes our cause.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)express and sole purpose of undermining them.
Hasn't BLM made it clear that Ponc and WW folk are needed as allies, and not just to be allied?
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)What I see here is one excuse after another to ignore points of view that people find uncomfortable. First posts by AA members are hidden and they are put on forced leave. Then white people who post about anti-racism are told their views don't count because they are white--yet that is never a concern when people are criticizing BLM. Then I post an interview with the PROTESTOR herself, so you all can see what her motives and tactics are about, and people come up with excuses not to listen to it by saying "you're claiming all black people are alike." No, I'm posting an interview with Johnson herself, an interview by a leading black radio show, on a network run by Elon James White, a well-known activist and public figure. It's a POV of the woman who carried out the activism.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)I was responding to the ken3d post.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)This is all surreal to me. I expect liberals to be allies of these movements. To support them. I just have so much trouble with the reactions. I think people can and should support Bernie AND BLM. They are not mutually exclusive.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Folks are getting all hair on fire about "liberal white supremists" being uttered by a few black folk when all it is is what MLK stated, just using an updated term.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)You all have been speculating about the motives and associations of the protestors for days. Now you have an opportunity to hear them from the woman herself, yet you come up with an excuse not to listen.
I posted an article and was told I had no position to speak because I was white. Then I post a black radio show, and I hear more excuses for why people don't wan to listen.
TWIB is an influential radio show among black people. I posted it in case some people are actually interested in what motivates the protestors, how and why they chose the targets and tactics they do. Rather than speculating as to what they are about, you care hear it from the woman herself.
What is this cause of yours? Getting Sanders elected? That's a "cause"? In what conception of activism does a man's political career constitute a cause? When I vote, it won't be a cause. I'll just be casting a vote. That is all it is. Politicians are not causes. Black Lives Matters is a cause.
Obviously the black community is not a monolith, nor do they all agree that black people need to be grateful for what white "progressives" allow them. Clarence Thomas is black. Ben Carson is black. They have the same rights as every other black person to express their political views, even if they do not reflect the views of the majority of black people. The same goes for the BLM activists and the certain percentage of African Americans who support Bernie, though I would be interested to see poll results showing how many remain after these recent events.
Some black people are also are saying our lives have value, our lives matter. For them, their lives are more important than Sanders career or your feelings. I happen to share that view. I will stand with human life, human rights, and racial equality over any politician or any group of people who find that movement discomforting. Too many folks here focus entirely on their feelings and the notion that Bernie is too important to be troubled by black women complaining about black people being killed. Black folks should just know he is the best they can ever hope for; they need to keep their mouths shut and be deferential because it hurts the feelings of some white folks to have any criticism directed their way. They are so certain they are superior, no cause, no activism, no movement for human lives can possibly matter as much as their feelings. Hence the concept of white fragility, which is the central impediment to anti-racism.
As the quote from MLK about white moderates reveals, the central impediment to fighting racism is not Klansmen and NeoNazis, but people who believe themselves well-intentioned but criticize tactics and activism.
"I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negros great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: 'I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action'; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another mans freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a 'more convenient season.'" -Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
mcar
(42,334 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)To understand why they did, you can listen to the protestor herself. She is quite clear on the matter.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)K lib
(153 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)K lib
(153 posts)She seem very self centered and focused a lot on herself. She at one point said
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I mean, reading DU, you'd think she just ran up to Bernie and called him a white supremacist jew while wearing a Sarah Palin t-shirt.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)It is not a lie that she called her action bow down bernie. It is not a lie that she demanded he publicly apologize.for unspecified actions against poc. It is not a lie that she she called him and white liberals white supremacists. It is not a lie that she refused to let Bernie speak even after all her demands had been met. It is not a lie.that she wrote that white liberals are more racist and worse for poc than white conservatives.
I think she's under a religious delusion and that it's more about her and self-aggrandizement than anything else. I base that on having listened to her radio interview, reading what she's written, watching the raw video of the Saturday protest, the video of her protest at a city council meeting.
frylock
(34,825 posts)#bowdownbernie #fuckthatshit
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