I support Hillary, but I am afraid she can not win the GE

[AverageGuy]

One of the reasons I supported her was that I thought she was a shoo-in for the general election. After all no-one has ever had more experience then her before running for President, and she would be the first female president. Bernie was a self-confessed Socialist which many low information voters think is the same as a communist, ie Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. O'Malley was a Governor of a small blue state that taxed the rain (talk about tax and spend), and his hand picked successor lost in a land slide. And Biden's many gaffs made him a joke to many people.

This was an election that we must win because of the justices who will be replaced on SCOTUS over the next four years.

Carly Fiorina, in the words of the NY Times, as the sole woman in a 17-candidate (Republican) primary field, is singularly qualified to stand up to Mr. Trump. This is also a year that government experience does not seem to count very much with voters. Good-bye to two of the main assets Hillary had to help her win the race. Carly may well be the Republican nominee.

Hillary also has the eMail server questions, and how it feeds into the questions about her character ie truthfulness and honesty. Finally, IMO Hillary is just a bad candidate, her personality does not connect with people the way Bill's did. Her likeably in polls are now under water. And Bernie has not said one word against her.

I do not know why the Clinton foundation never changed its name, and why she never cut all ties to it. It has been the root of so many problems this year.

I am afraid, I am very, very afraid. Are there any other possible viable Democratic candidates out there?

[dhill926]

1. nice try...

[AverageGuy]

4. What do you mean by nice try?

[Juicy_Bellows]

2. Your last question is sincere?

You should know Sanders is a viable option. O'malley too!

[AverageGuy]

17. I point out Sanders weakness

I like him, but in my opinion he does not have a snowball's chance in Hell in the GE. O'malley too will be attacked as a tax crazy secret socialist. Taxing the rain, haha. I wish Jerry Brown was 20 years younger.

[Juicy_Bellows]

18. I have no idea why you'd say that.

The blue wall is a real thing and if they float some turd like Cruz or Carly I wouldn't worry.

[AverageGuy]

58. Cruz is crazy, but Carly I worry about since she hides her craziness

[Juicy_Bellows]

65. Well that's just silly. Carly poses no threat. Nt.

[Walk away]

67. Carly Fiorina couldn't get herself elected Dog Catcher...

She is desperately hoping that whoever get's the Puke's nod will pick her as their VP and that is the biggest long shot ever!

[Godhumor]

3. I hear there is a nice meteor shower tonight

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Hope it is not too cloudy to see.

[daleanime]

13. Yeahup.....

might go take a look.

[AverageGuy]

19. I do not understand what you are getting at

Please tell me in plain words

[QC]

5. I was going to vote for her, but then one of her supporters

was a big ole meanie to me on a message board, so now I'm just going to stay home.

[Autumn]

25. Me too

[QC]

27. It's a cruel world!

[Autumn]

29. It's a cruel world indeed when people are mean. It's heartbreaking when we have to sit out

an election because mean people suck. Thank you for the hug, and here's one for you it makes me feel better but until other some other candidates supporters are nice I just can't bring myself to vote.

[QC]

34. Namaste, my dear Autumn!

[artislife]

50. Let me get the candles lit! eom

[QC]

54. May I borrow your crystal?

All this meanness from the Bernie supporters has all my chakras in an uproar!

[artislife]

55. Better yet

[kath]

59. Yes. Average Guy needs to know this:

the VERY best way to choose your candidate is by how their supporters behave on internet message boards. Ignore all the other bullshit. Like issues and stuff.

[QC]

60. Well, it's not the *very* best way to decide,

but in the absence of sexy beach pinup photos it's your best option.

[kath]

61. Ahh, yes, the Tiger Beat approach.

My bad.

[whatchamacallit]

6. Qualified to stand up to Trump?

What qualifications do you need to stand up to a grinning ape?

[daleanime]

14. Loincloth?

[whatchamacallit]

23. !

[AverageGuy]

26. Not many

But the other Republican candidates do not even have those qualifications, If she does not want to talk about them, she does not even have to address woman's issues because she is a woman. She is also a blank slate, since she has no record and she can be whatever she wants.

[redstateblues]

47. That's funny but dismiss him at your peril

He will take Bush out which is good for us. As detestable as he is, Trump is smart, he understands the medium and he puts on a good show. Americans love a show. How different was Reagan?

[Xipe Totec]

7. A little early for that assessment

And by that, I mean a little early in your DU career.

Need to establish your bona fides first.

But it's a little late now.

Enjoy your stay.

[AverageGuy]

49. In Aug 2012, I made a post that had 108,926 views & 276 rec's

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It was titled "For the first time in my life, I will be voting against a Republican candidate for president." and can be found at http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021135316
My user name was Viguy007.

Because many people had reposted my OP on their own blogs, and had been challenged as to whether I was ever a Republican, they requested I describe what made me a Republican. I did so, and because I expressed my differences with the norm here on social issues, Viguy007 was banned. I have remained here since I have learned from other posters, and since I have an open mind, I have changed some of my views. My former party is now crazier then ever, so I am now more of a Democrat. I have posted under several different names.

[MADem]

52. What are your other names here? nt

[AverageGuy]

57. Only one other user name - QuestionAlways

[Dr Hobbitstein]

72. So you've been PPR'd TWICE

and you're back again?

[BKH70041]

8. Yummy!

Actually you raise some good points. But this site at this time the topic is likely not going to play well.

[Luminous Animal]

12. And what good points would those be? I am serious. I would love to have a debate

about the points that you think are good.

[BKH70041]

21. How various candidates are perceived by the public.

It doesn't matter which candidate or whether or not one agrees or disagrees with the perceptions. The point is they are out there, and sometimes they define the candidate whether they or their supporters like it or not. That's just politics.

And this poster mentioned some of those perceptions, which I agree are worthy of consideration and discussion, but I just don't see it being a productive discussion here at this time, at least not in public. And I'm not in a position to be involved even if one were to start as I have real life obligations and time constraints.

[Luminous Animal]

28. Got it. You've got nothing.

[BKH70041]

32. Just watch, you'll learn the hard way.

Should there be a point where Sanders is being attacked by the establishment candidate(s), you might find yourself all upset that the perceptions don't match the reality.

Oh, but do they? Or not?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm................

[Luminous Animal]

40. Interesting. Willing to spread innuendo but unwilling to face anything head on. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

……………………………………………………..

I've more 'm's and dots than you. I win.

Was it Hillary or Bernie who killed Vince Foster? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ………………………………………………………………………………………………...

[restorefreedom]

44. good one! nt

[sabrina 1]

56. Sanders has been attacked by the establishment since he first announced he was running.

And has turned all of the intended smears into positives gaining more and more supporters along the way. And he will be attacked even more the more successful and the more of a threat to the status quo he becomes.

Did you think people didn't expect that, weren't prepared for it? He has an army of volunteers on Social Media where most political conversations now take place, the Old Media is less and less relevant, who have taken care of these smears immediately, telling the facts and exposing the smearmongers. Something that wasn't available when it happened to Kerry and Dean to the same extent.

No one depends on the MSM, the propaganda arm of the real power in this country, for facts anymore except for a shrinking audience of older Americans and among them, many know they are often being lied, PLUS they have children and grandchildren to help them use other sources.

[AverageGuy]

62. Please point out where I am wrong.

The Polls indicate what I observe about Hillary is correct. Great name recognition, but she is now falling compared to the other candidates and is now losing to some of them. The trend is not her friend. I love Bernie on the issues, but for a hundred years we have been taught a socialist - sorry I mean communist - is the worse thing in the world because they take away all your freedom. They will even kill you if you do not do what they say. O'Malley has that rain tax, which cost his party a long time blue state.

[rock]

9. You're not Average

You're hilarious -- I mean, Hillaryous!

[Autumn]

10. I agree. I don't think she can win either

[doc03]

11. I agree, with Fox and the Republicans steadily on the attack

for the last two years and Hillary's poor or no response I think it is lost for us in 2016. Everyone just assumed Hillary Clinton
was a shoe-in and now we have no other viable candidate to take her place. It looks more and more like we are going to get a
Republican House and Senate and worst of all we will lose the court for decades. I have never been so depressed about our chances.

[GoneFishin]

15. Bernie's supporters and Hillary's supporters were both mean to me. So I am going to wait to see

which are meaner overall before I decide who to support in the primary. Because what is most important for the country in these critical times is who is mean to me.

[libdem4life]

24. Yeah, me too.

[elleng]

16. Read here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281

[JI7]

20. it will be a tough race for sure

But you come off more as pushing fiorina

[Luminous Animal]

41. Yep. The OP comes off as pushing Fiorina.

[riversedge]

22. Carly--the aka Stepforth Wife lookalike...

[virtualobserver]

35. She and Carson are the flavors of the week

It takes so little to get a bump in the Republican polls

[redstateblues]

48. Trump's take down of carly was good

He said "after listening to her for ten minutes I got a massive headache". spot on

[Lil Missy]

30. Yeah, thanks for your concern.

Enjoy your stay.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

31. Carly Fiorina hasn't a snowball's chance in Hell.

Even the Wall Street Urinal has dissed her:

...it is hard to believe that the GOP would turn to someone who was fired as Hewlett-Packard’s CEO in 2005 after a tenure charitably described as controversial, and whose only run for elective office resulted in a landslide loss in 2010 to Sen. Barbara Boxer in California.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-five-plausible-gop-candidates-1439333581

And:

While many potential voters may be wondering who Carly Fiorina is, exactly, business analysts will quickly recall the former tech chief as one of the “worst CEOs of all time,” as she was often characterized following her six-year tenure at the head of the Silicon Valley giant.

According to reports from that time, Fiorina tripled her own salary while CEO of HP, while at the same time rendering about 30,000 of the company’s workers jobless in layoffs and firings while presiding over a 50 percent plunge in Hewlett-Packard stock value. Morale reportedly became so poor within the once-great technology firm that employees would openly boo Fiorina at company meetings.

But the seeming lack of respect between workers and Fiorina remains mutual, even a decade after she was given a $42 million “golden parachute” by HP in exchange for leaving the company.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1965430/carly-fiorina-president/#sibcfDkct4thXeWb.99

The GOPers like to make a big deal about how business people are better suited to be president than "career politicians," so why in the world would they choose someone who was widely regarded as one of the worst CEOs ever, who was loathed by her employees and who drove a major corporation right into the ground and was eventually fired by its board of directors? And who then was completely slaughtered by her opponent when she tried to run for the Senate? It's possible she could be selected as the running mate by whichever mental midget they nominate - as a way of trying to make it seem like they don't actually hate women - but Fiorina will not get the nomination.

[virtualobserver]

36. But didn't hell freeze over when Trump came to town?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

38. Trump's current success isn't surprising

because he perfectly expresses the hateful id of the angry white males in the GOP. Fiorina can't do that.

[virtualobserver]

42. But I do wonder if we might see a Megyn inspired revolt against Trump....

by Republican women with Fiorina as their vehicle.

[Starry Messenger]

33. So you're supporting Carly?

I'm afraid I'm confused. Any of our potential candidates would plow over her. She's run and lost in CA and has no legislative experience.

[BooScout]

37. why are you here?

You just trashed Clinton, Bernie and O'Malley. ....and it seems you like Carly. Why are you at DEMOCRATIC Underground?

All I can say is......

[oasis]

39. Hill an e-mail server evildoer? That does it for me. Keep us

posted on who you'll eventually throw your support behind.

[4lbs]

43. Which of the Democratic candidates would you support then, if not Hillary?

Or.... would "candidates from the Democrat party" be more your liking?


Carly Fiorina qualified to stand up to Trump? And none of the Democratic candidates are?

Well, Trump did bankrupt 4 businesses, and Fiorina almost bankrupted one, so they have that to talk about:

Trump: "Vote for me!"

Fiorina: "No, Vote for Me!"

Trump: "No, not her, she's a woman!"

Fiorina: "Yeah, but I didn't bankrupt 4 companies, only nearly bankrupted one and put 33,000 people out of work. So, there, I'm better for the country!"

[restorefreedom]

45. if you are for fiorina,

you might want to check out that "other" forum. but be careful..they are cuckoo for cocoa puffs,...i mean, trump.

[John Poet]

46. Somebody running for President DID have more experience than Hillary--

his name was James Buchanan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan

[jfern]

63. Biden has more experience too

[MADem]

51. OOOOOOOOH!!!!! A post expressing CONCERN and FEAR!!

Should we all feel your concern and fear?

Let me check.


Naaaah. Not feeling it.

[PatrickforO]

53. Bernie can win.

He's going to be the surprise of the season.

He's tough, smart, understands the issues that mean something to us, and he doesn't back down.

I agree with nearly every position he's taken, and when we huge grassroots network of support educate people on the 'not soviet type of socialism, think Denmark, or Holland type socialism - Democratic Socialism or maybe Social Democraticness...

Plus, I know and work with many Millenials and they are excited about Bernie. They like what he says, and they don't think of socialism as being a negative thing like we're all supposed to.

We'll see how it goes. But I'm thinking Bernie will beat Hillary, who is running a horribly lackluster campaign and reminds me more of a windsock or weathervane than anything else. Because Bernie is the ONLY candidate who has talked about this stuff for at least half a century.

Don't misread the mood of the American people. Establishment candidates will lose this time around.

At least I hope so...and hey, I'm like Don Quixote - I'm gonna tilt at this one last windmill! Viva La Mancha!

[Ichingcarpenter]

64. Carly Fiorina? Really?Carly Fiorina?

Really that's who you think will win the nomination and the presidency?

that's my only comment on this thread.

[sufrommich]

66. "I support Hillary",your profile rec history and favorite group

suggests otherwise.

[BooScout]

68. I'm pretty sure he supports Carly.....

Why he's here is anyone's guess.....well....not really, but ya know.

[JoePhilly]

69. iCarly has a better chance than Fiorina.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. Of course HRC can be beat but as of today she is still the favorite.

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When did Carli Fiorina become a juggernaut?

Albeit it was California but she lost to Barbara Boxer by ten points in a Republican wave year.

Nostradamus I am not but it is more likely we face Rubio, Kasich or Bush lll than Carli Fienderina.

[olddots]

71. The talking stick will be followed by the drum circle at 2 P.M.

when and if the drum circle ends there will be a " rap session " about knowing you navels ......?

[DCBob]

73. LOL..

Lying is not your best talent.