2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTo: DNC, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz: We will NOT support Hillary Clinton
The DNC has become the UnDemocratic party. It has determined Hillary Clinton will be its candidate in the 2016 elections and is doing everything possible to obstruct the campaigns of other candidates like Bernie Sanders. It believes all Democrats will eventually support Hillary Clinton. We are saying the DNC is wrong. We, will not support Hillary Clinton
Why is this important?
The DNC has become an embarrassment to many Democrats.
First, it passed an undemocratic rule forbidding its candidates from debating except in DNC sanctioned debates.
Then it put off scheduling debates until October (giving the GOP a two month head start on the 2016 election).
It scheduled its first debate to occur 3 days after New Yorkers belonging to other political parties can change their registration to vote for democrats in the 2016 primary.
It is now trying to crowd the debate stage with as many candidates as possible to protect Hillary Clinton from scrutiny and to limit the national exposure of other candidates.
The DNC is also using Bernie Sanders' photo to solicit funds for the DNC and thus divert money away from the Sanders campaign. Don't give a cent to the DNC.
Link: http://linkis.com/credomobilize.com/bqHmq
I also think the DNC Debate schedule is sorely lacking, and most likely designed for maximum protection of their preferred candidate. How should American Democracy work in your opinion? Should party leaders preselect whom they deem as "acceptable" candidates for us, or should the voters be free to choose their candidate without interference of the party establishment? Basically, do you believe the party leaders are better suited to tell the voters who they can vote for, or do you believe the voters are fully capable of selecting a candidate on their own?
Also, anyone currently have Credo as their cellular provider? I think I might be looking into their service in the not too distant future.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)properly established election procedures duly and legally and openly adopted by the recently joined Party.
cali
(114,904 posts)Frankly, I think comments on this, from someone like you, who isn't a democrat, is ironic.
PatrickforO
(14,576 posts)And I think the allegations in this OP are quite true.
But Bernie is building a giant grassroots machine that will roll over the DNC. Why? Because it is he, not the DNC, that espouses true Democratic principles.
Americans need and are demanding a New Deal, and the DNC, the pundits, the RNC - the establishment in general - has seriously misread the mood on the ground.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Isn't rolling over the DNC the job of the RNC??
You may not be a rookie, I do not know you and my comment was of course not directed at you, but what of someone who is a real rookie in the Democratic Party, someone purposely not wanting to join the party who, for the sake of argument, had not done so, on purpose and with great thought given to the idea, for say 73 years?
Should a real rookie like that or his/her supporters, theoretically speaking, barge in and demand their new political Party change all the rules to suit the rookie?
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)I think you might want to reconsider the following sentence:
"Should a real rookie like that or his/her supporters, theoretically speaking, barge in and demand their new political Party change all the rules to suit the rookie?"
Considering the rules were only changed this year to both limit the number of debates and to punish candidates that take part in "unsanctioned debates" this is an extremely ironic charge to make. I should point out that the rule against "unsanctioned debates" has been a tactic the republicans have used for awhile now.
So precisely who is barging in and changing all the rules to suit their candidate?
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)My first vote was for George McGovern.
Since that vote, I've been a Democratic candidate for Congress. I have managed or co-managed 3 other Democratic congressional races, have worked various senior positions in state and local campaigns, and was my County Spokesperson for Kerry-Edwards in 2004.
I resigned from my county DEC in 2007, after we elected a Democratic Congress to end the Iraq War, and they didn't do it. I changed my registration to "No Party Affiliation" after several more outrages, such as Telecom Immunity, FISA, among others. I voted for Obama twice, even though I met the man several times when he was a Senator, and didn't really like him.
Debbie Weaselman-Schlitz was the worst possible appointee to head the DNC. I have seen her actively undermine and refuse to support candidates in Florida, and openly praise Republicans. Witness her performance in the all-important 2010 elections, when redistricting was at stake.
I'm a Democrat again, ONLY to vote for Bernie Sanders in the primaries (Alan Grayson too). I agree with Credo.
Now how do I switch my phone service over to them?
artislife
(9,497 posts)Just call them. They do the heavy lifting for you.
They are okay, I think here in Seattle they run on the Sprint network. Sometimes I don't have coverage in town.
My phone bill is due today and I have already paid, but still I got a "you used all your data, so we automatically added more and you will be charged" for maybe 7 hours of lapse time. I had the internet go out this week end. So they still play the phone game with overages and so so coverage but they don't give money to bad causes.
I liked Virgin Mobile, but they didn't offer an economical smart phone service when I switched over. I think Richard Branson has a real gusto for living!
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)I tried Cricket (AT&T) for a month, and had more dropped calls and dead air than I've had in 4 years with T-Mobile.
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)The grass movement to roll over any large organization.
The media has basically left him alone for now but they won't for long.
The pedestal you supporters have him on is a toad too elevated.😱
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Thank you for that mental image.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....over the weekend that he still isn't a Democrat.
This is like the commissioner of the NFL telling Major League Baseball how to schedule their playoffs.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)not be a member of the Party?
Or the fiction the OP is not just based on another comment board post and one opinion?
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)see how they lost the House and Senate by supporting candidates that could not win, and ignoring the people's choices, see the NJ Gov race where Dems supported Christie and ENDORSED HIM and the leadership refused to help the DEMOCRAT when Christie was so vulnerable at the time, regardless of their abysmal failures to hold on to what we worked so hard to get, they should still be trusted with this responsibility?
I disagree.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)all over him at the time?
The DNC is weak, it has a not overly strong leader, I agree, but she can be made to evolve also...and I think she is.
Better at this crucial point in American politic history to stick with evolution not revolution.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)knew the people wanted actual Dems and were no longer going to go along with the Third Way determining the direction our party is going in.
And sorry, we don't have time to use our political parties to provide therapy for those who need to evolve.
She sure does need that, but not while making decisions that for millions of people. People who need to evolve, do not belong in powerful positions until AFTER they evolve.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)decisions to help H. Clinton. She is the favorite of the Democratic Party Elite and billionaires.
Why would anyone want a candidate that was manipulated into office by billionaires. No question mark, it was rhetorical.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)I will vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who it is because a Democratic booger with a long nose hair sticking out of it is better than the "smartest" and "brightest" Republican.
I am not comparing and Democratic candidate to a booger. I mean that literally.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)DBS is head of DNC.it's indivual candiates only.she needs to go.she has been terrable for dems in florida.and she is keeping debates so low to protect Hillary.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)That's why we have primary elections. Campaign for your favorite. Donate money to your favorite.
Vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election. The alternative is unthinkable.
Democrats vote for Democrats. Those who don't aren't actually Democrats.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Clinton can not win my state in the general election. Way too much Republican rage, way too little Democratic excitement for Clinton to overcome that rage. The other Democratic candidates have a slim shot at winning - a little less rage, a little more excitement.
As a result, if Clinton is the nominee, I "get" to have a meaningless vote.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)If Trump is the nominee, then any Democrat has a realistic shot at carrying Texas. But absent The Donald, Clinton -- even with a Texan named Castro as her running mate -- still doesn't. The real upside is that a Clinton-Castro ticket has long, wide coattails against anybody, and for urban counties like Harris (Houston) that is huge for downballot races, like judicials.
All this would also be true if Bernie Sanders or Martin O'Malley were the nominee. So I may be reduced to helping Trump win the GOP nom in some form or fashion. That's how bad it is in Deep-In-The-Hearta, folks.
4lbs
(6,858 posts)California hasn't gone red since the 1980s. It is currently a DEM + 24 state, meaning the "official" Democratic nominee automatically starts with a 24 point lead.
So, if Bernie is the nominee, he will get California. If Hillary wins the primary, she will get California.
Also, it is a semi-open primary. Republican voters in the state can only vote for Republicans. Democratic voters can vote for anyone except Republicans. Although, they might allow Repukes to vote for non-Democrats in their primary, this time around.
Ah California. Democratic Governor, Lt. Governor, Attorney General, Secretary of State, and Insurance Commissioner. Also a Democratic majority in both the state Senate and Assembly.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)In Minnesota, the Democratic nominee will win, but nobody will win all 50 states. I can't do anything about other states.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Overcoming the rural/urban divide here requires fantastic Democratic turnout. Obama only pulled it off in 2008, and couldn't pull it off in 2012.
There's no way Clinton will be able to pull it off. Too much hatred inspiring the Republicans, too much apathy about her uninspiring the Democrats. The people behind "Moral Mondays" are not looking for maintaining the status quo. "Hope and Change" not panning out is what cost Obama the state in 2012.
And since there are easier states to win, it would be dumb for Clinton to campaign here to try and change that dynamic.
Again, that doesn't mean Sanders or O'Malley would have it easy. It would still be difficult for them to win, and there still are easier states to win so we still probably wouldn't see much effort to turn the state blue. But they'd have a chance while Clinton has none.
We've still got around 10 years or so before the emptying rural areas are dominated by the growing cities in statewide races.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Primary dates aren't something I can control. I expect the picture to be clear by Super Tuesday, which is when the MN caucuses happen. If not by then, the race will be over after March 1, 2016.
I'll be voting for the Democratic nominee in November, whoever it turns out to be, as always.
Agree with your statement. Primary vote for whom you want as president...the winner is the candidate, thyen we as true democrats vote for out democrat candidate...
quickesst
(6,280 posts)... with as many candidates as possible? Jesus on a pogo stick! What happened to all the pissing, crying, and moaning about the there not being enough candidates? Dumbest thing I've read in a long time. There's not going to be enough tin foil in this country. Do these people check under the bed every night for boogymen?
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Who is crying out for more candidates?
Not a fucking soul ...
quickesst
(6,280 posts)But they were sure crying about it before Bernie joined in. And who the fuck exactly is the DNC crowding the field with? Like I said break out the tin foil. Is OMalley a DNC tool? Is Chaffee a DNC tool? For that matter is Bernie a DNC tool? Who exactly are the tools being used for the crowding?
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Try again...
Chan790
(20,176 posts)if Hillary secures the nomination then loses the Presidency, DWS better be done. I don't just mean as DNC chair...I mean she better be retiring from Congress and going away at the end of the term she was just elected to, she better be done in Democratic politics forever.
A bright future doing whatever halfwits with no appreciable skills do after being forced into retirement. Maybe they could give her a talking head panel show with Sarah Palin, Anne Coulter and Hillary Clinton making it that that much easier to ignore all them at the same time.
"Make it easier to ignore all of them at the same time".
Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)But not because the DNC tells me to!
And yes, I will support whomever is our nominee (if not Hillary then I hope Bernie), although I'm not too enamored with Webb or Chafee.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)If she is the candidate then I will show up in November after a few drinks and reluctantly pull the lever for her.
If it ends up being Webb.... I would be lying if I said I wouldn't look long and hard at the Green party before getting completely drunk and stumbling in to vote Democratic.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)if the impending Coronation comes to pass. With enough booze and a designated driver tho - it might be fun to show up at the voting site and holler "Long Live the Queen! - Long live the Queen!"
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)Yesterday's even had a letter from President Obama. I don't have much money to spare, but they are not getting a penny from me even if they get Jesus Christ to write a letter. Any cash I have to spare will go to Bernie Sander's campaign directly.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)when Bernie Sanders endorses Hillary Clinton.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I wouldn't expect less of him. I'm sure she will do the same for him. At the end of the day we are all on the same side even though many of us are involved in a bar room brawl with each other before the battle. When the battle comes we will be on the same side. I still won't give money to the DNC. They are an organization that has outlived it's usefulness.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)We're 100% in alignment here. All these letters asking for cash while adorned by party luminaries (AND Bernie! :mad . What I have to give will go TO Bernie and a very few, selected others of progressive persuasion!
DWS. IS that an acronym for Democrats Worst Statesman???
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)spoiler with Bernie, and Trump wins?
Frankly, a lot of folks don't see her as an alternative to Bernie, and may not vote for her. I vote for my country, not the party.
Could be different if the DNC would change their position, but perhaps they are ready to let the country burn under Trump if they can't get their way?
Action_Patrol
(845 posts)I'll vote for the nominee. What drivel this is.
winterwar
(210 posts)I won't ever go back to Verizon. They tried to overcharge me $200+ on two occasions. I can't stand Verizon or AT&T for many reasons. The main reason is the political spending they do goes against everything I stand for. Credo lets customers vote on which progressive causes they donate to. I am extremely happy with Credo.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)winterwar
(210 posts)"Also, anyone currently have Credo as their cellular provider? I think I might be looking into their service in the not too distant future."
So I responded.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Anyone can create a petition there.
winterwar
(210 posts)And reply to everybody else who answered the OP about Credo mobile? Why four different posts from you? I know anybody can create a petition. My reply had nothing to do with the petition, the candidates, or the DNC. I'm just trying to convey my experience with Credo to somebody who asked.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)The Republican party appreciates your support and looks forward transferin the title of all three branches of government to the Koch Brothers.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)just as we would support Bernie if he is the nominee.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)There are over eleven million active and inactive registered voters in New York State. The majority (5,262,004) consider themselves to be active Democrats. However, more than three million New York voters belong to smaller parties (Republican, Independence, Green, Communist and Conservative Party) or, are unaffiliated.
.. Sanders, who has been drawing record crowds throughout the country (9000 in Portland, ME, 11,000 in Phoenix, 8000 in Dallas, and 10,000 in Madison, WI) has been calling for the debates since May. He even suggested that Democratic candidates should debate Republicans and other Democrats on a regular basis to increase interest in the political process. Within days of Sanders calling for inter-party debates, the Democratic National Committee passed a rule which says any Democrat who debates outside of a sanctioned DNC debate will be forbidden from participating in any official DNC debate.
This past week, the Democratic National Committee finally announced it would have a total of six debates beginning October 13th, 2015. This presents a huge obstacle to the three million plus New York voters who might watch the Democratic debates to educate themselves about the choice of candidates. The last day New Yorkers enrolled in another party can change their registration to Democrat in order to vote in the 2016 NY Democratic primary is October 9, 2015. Four days before the first debate. This means if non-Democrats like a Democrat in the debate, it will be too late for them to re-register to vote for that person in the April primary.
Take action -- click here to contact your local newspaper or congress people:
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz & DNC need to play fair
Charlotte Scot
DNC /Press Secretary/Director of Communications (Carter Administration)
http://www.opednews.com/articles/DNC-TRYING-TO-SILENCE-over-by-Charlotte-Scot-Bernie-Sanders-2016-Presidential-Candidate_Democrats-DNC_Voter-Registration-150811-282.html
KMOD
(7,906 posts)President Obama was hugely popular here, yet he still lost by 17 points in NY State.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)More than 20 years.
It used to be Working Assets Long Distance.
I have had minor issues with coverage from time to time, but it's not worth making a deal with the Devil to get slightly better cell coverage.
I realize that I'm not significantly changing the world by going with CREDO, but at least I can feel good that I'm not making it worse!
onehandle
(51,122 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Because some posters wanted information.
Thank you so much for restating your message. I foresee a bright future in politics!
unapatriciated
(5,390 posts)It is a little more expensive but part of the monies go to support progressive causes.
edited to add: like poster above me...have had it since it was known as working assets. Sprint is the carrier they use.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)unapatriciated
(5,390 posts)I understand how credo works (used to be called working assets) I get many petitions and articles with my bill or over my phone. Some I support some I don't. What's your point? Is it because this story (and petition) is critical of the DNC and their recent ruling regarding outside debates? I belong to MoveOn too (have since the early 2000's) and Amnesty International. I agree and disagree with some of their petitions too but am capable of making up my own mind.
I do not understand while you felt the need to somehow enlighten me and the poster above me. Duh..those of us who actually have Credo know that there are many different people and groups with all types of petitions and causes that post on their site. Maybe you should read up on Credo (working assets) to understand it's history and what it is about.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)has earned my vote, nor will they get it.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)While CREDO Action has provided this platform for you to use, campaigns here are not necessarily run or endorsed by CREDO Action. In fact, as the community of users grows, we expect we'll probably see campaigns we don't agree with and campaigns that might seem a bit random. But we will work hard to disable campaigns that come to our attention and are defamatory, discriminatory or illegal.
We reserve the right to use our judgment and take something down if we deem it inappropriate or if it crosses a line of common decency even if we share your position on that issue. So take responsibility for your campaign.
They will take down if they deem it inappropriate..and you must be a user. The only real difference with Credo is that you want to make a difference with your telecom monies. That is a good indication that you are probably an engaged progressive.
unapatriciated
(5,390 posts)it seems someone on this thread didn't think we credo users actually understand who or how Credo works. We had to be told that this is not "Credo mobile".
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I don't believe the 2,900 people who actually signed this letter will make any difference.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)...of getting clicks for ads and services of those people who own the websites that serve them.
brooklynite
(94,585 posts)I have her personal email; I could have just sent her a message for you.
Of course, the notion of not waiting for actual Democrats to vote in the Primaries might have been confusing...
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Our concerns are a nuisance, but boy, do they ever want our money. The debate schedule has really pissed me off.
I give directly to the candidates I support. The DNC can dry up and blow away as far as I'm concerned - they hinder good Democrats in getting elected more than they help.
dem in texas
(2,674 posts)I hate when someone hides their own personal opinions under the words "We" or "Americans". I am part of the "We" and I totally disagree with almost everything you said.
I like what Bernie has to say, but I know not think he can win. I did not vote for Hillary against Obama, but I will vote for her this time because I think she can win. The most important thing in the Nov 2016 election is that a Democrat win.
hill2016
(1,772 posts)responsibility to schedule debates to help candidates who need more exposure?
If the candidate needs the debates to get the votes, that just shows they don't have the necessary resources (both in terms of people and money) and ground game and are too weak for the general election.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)The DNC is operating under the principle of one dollar/one vote and is annoyed that Bernie Sanders (bless his heart!) has taken a more democratic approach (curses!!). So DWS and company are doing their best to nip things in the bud and restore the principle upon which they and their corporate cronies believe this country was founded.
senz
(11,945 posts)Everyone is aware of her "brand," but no one can figure out what she stands for. Maybe after a few good debates we (the voters) would know. Surely that's not why you oppose the idea?
okasha
(11,573 posts)And of course, free air time for Bernie is what the wails for "more and earlier debates" are all about.
Setting them to begin in October is a strategic advantage for Democrats. By then some of the R mob will have dropped out or proven hopeless, so our side will have a better idea who the actual R nominee will be and can target accordingly. It also gives the R's time to bloody their survivors up in the eat-their-own phase.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Someone asks and receives a place in my home with access to everything in it. And the entire time they stay, they walk thru the house pointing out what they don't like about where they're living & how shitty & unaccommodating the place is for them.
Rude, and arrogant to think that I would be feeling anything but politely asking this person to please pack & leave.
Seems is didn't take long to overextend their welcome.
Ya don't like it then leave.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Are you sure you are not Republican?
Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #82)
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PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)This needs to get out there. I would like to see 100s of thousands of signatures on it.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Very easy for me.
ncliberal
(185 posts)The customer service is great. Credo uses Sprint's towers, but you don't deal with Sprint. I love that I support progressive causes when I pay my cell phone bill and am no longer supporting Verizon. I receive petitions almost daily, and I've supported probably 99% of them. They can result in positive change despite what some may think.
Customers also get to vote on the progressive nonprofits that receive Credo's donations. The groups this month are Color of Change, Institute for America's Future, and Union of Concerned Scientists. Feeding America was another recent option. The donation is around $2ooK each month (almost $79 million total and counting). You can vote for one or all 3.
I have an unlimited data plan so I don't have to worry about overages each month. It's a wonderful company that I wish more people would support. I'd love to know if anyone has the Credo credit card.