blm releases tape of Hillary meeting

[roguevalley]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter_55d2ad41e4b055a6dab1453f?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592&kvcommref=mostpopular

Black Lives Matter Releases Video Of Closed-Door Meeting With Hillary Clinton
“I don’t believe you change hearts. You change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate.”

Associate Politics Editor, The Huffington Post

Posted: 08/18/2015 10:50 AM EDT | Edited: 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON -- Newly released video of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's private meeting with Black Lives Matter activists in New Hampshire last week shows a testy exchange between Clinton and the activists.

In one of two clips of the meeting posted by Good Magazine on Monday, Clinton suggests that the activists need to have strong policy goals if they want to create real change, using the women's and gay rights movements as a comparison.

One of the activists takes issue with her comments. "This is and has always been a white problem of violence. There's not much that we [black people] can do to stop the violence against us," Julius Jones of Black Lives Matter tells Clinton.

Clinton pushes back: "Respectfully, if that is your position, then I will only talk to white people about the very real problems."

The Clinton campaign said in an email to The Huffington Post that the video presented the candidate's comments out of context, and provided a full transcript of the meeting, which can be found at the end of this article. There does not appear to be a full, unedited video of the meeting available, but the transcript reveals that the two excerpts published by Good cover most of the discussion.

In the video, Jones continues: "That's not what I mean. What you just said was a form of victim-blaming. What you were saying was that what the Black Lives Matter movement needs to do to change white hearts …"

“I don’t believe you change hearts," Clinton replies. “You change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate.”

Damn. -Me

[MADem]

1. But I thought it was supposed to be a "secret meeting" and HRC was "in cahoots" with #BLM?

It must be true /snark I read it here on DU....and who was pushing that meme relentlessly, again...?

[roguevalley]

2. whatever. I saw it, I put it up. News and all.

[MADem]

3. Well, I read all that here on DU. Several times. Was TOLD that there was something "fishy"

and "suspect" and that it just wasn't believable that #BLM protesters could get stuck in traffic on the way to do their protest. That the "Clinton campaign" was conspiring with the protesters...that they had a hand in the Westlake demonstrations, too.

No matter how many times I tried to iterate that #BLM isn't approaching these issues from an electoral "endorsement" perspective, I was told that it was "Clinton" out to get "Bernie."

Those kinds of accusations are all over this board, so I'm really very glad you've posted proof that dispels that kind of spurious and divisive talk. As I said before and I will say again, #BLM doesn't have a candidate. That's NOT their approach. They have an agenda, and they want attention paid. They're tired of black people, mostly, but not always, young adults, getting murdered by the police.

Bravenak tried to tell everyone this. No one wanted to hear.

[AtomicKitten]

5. Correction: What you read was this.

* BLM pre-announced via Twitter and the New Republic reporter of their intent to disrupt a Clinton campaign event.
* BLM arrived too late to gain entrance to the event, so they were shuffled into an overflow room.
* Clinton campaign claims BLM asked for no press coverage of their private meeting, BLM says not true.

That's what you read here, not the completely fabricated claims you have made.

[MADem]

7. No--I read here that it was a conspiracy by Clinton's campaign, that BLM was in cahoots with them

and that the reason they were late to arrive is because it was all a big plot.

That is what I read, right here, on DU.

[SonderWoman]

9. GEORGE SOROS!

[AtomicKitten]

12. Nonsense. What you did read were people noticing the disparity in treatment of the candidates.

Sanders was shoved out of the way, called a "liberal white supremacist," with BLM refusing to surrender the mic after 20 minutes.

Clinton received advanced notice of a "planned disruption" with BLM reps using words such as "respectfully" when speaking to Clinton.

Quite a difference in tone, wouldn't you say?

You are exaggerating/fabricating the discussion here to fit your agenda which is to press false memes against the Sanders candidacy.

[MADem]

25. How could that be, when the conspiracy themes were flying thick and fast before #BLM even

approached Clinton?

You can look through those archives, plug in Soros and Sanders and Black Lives Matter, and you can find mentions of those half-baked Soros and Clinton conspiracy theories well before the NH protest action.

But hey, keep doubling down with more theories....apparently you're under the misguided impression that all these activisits are cut from a cookie cutter, or are the same person...? That they're operating from a script? That they're modulating their TONE under orders from some superior...?

I'm not exaggerating or fabricating anything. I don't have to--you're doing a great job proving my point. And that's all about YOUR agenda, not mine.

I think the sooner people realize that #BLM is not going to cut ANY candidate any slack, the better off everyone will be. Bravenak tried to tell people this, no one listened.

[AtomicKitten]

28. Get back to us when BLM shoves Hillary, calls her vile names, and refuses to relinquish the mic. nt

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[MADem]

34. They didn't have to do that. She met with them. They talked.

Sanders listened to what those young women said. He's not pushing back against the points that these women raised. They've been put on his website. He's "over it." His supporters--for some curious reason--are not.

This interview is instructive:

[aikoaiko]

16. People here offered possibilities of why Sanders was hammered by BLM twice and HRC was not.

Most conspiracy theories are wrong, but there is nothing in this video that disproves the idea that BLM is treating HRC differently compared to her contenders, especially Sanders, and one can honestly wonder why.

Could be timing. Could be circumstances. Could be different BLM protesters. Could be bias. And yes, there could be an element of political theatre, but there is no independent proof of explicit arrangements.

[MADem]

23. These weren't "possibilities." They were full-blown conspiracy theories, worthy of

some of the most virulent wingnut sites on the internet. They were insulting and appalling. Soros funds them! He's paying them to disrupt Sanders' events! They're colluding with Clinton!

You DO understand, don't you--and I'm thinking you don't--that #BLM is not a BORG? I would urge you to take a look at their website and get an understanding of how the movement operates. It's not a top-down environment. It's more like Occupy, except there are founders who aren't afraid to be named and give opinions, who do provide no small amount of non-binding guidance, but each unit of the movement--and it is a movement, not a club--operates independently.

If #BLM is treating Hillary differently, that's because the people who challenged her are NOT THE SAME PEOPLE who challenged Bush or Sanders. "Could be different protesters?" Are you serious?

They don't all look alike--nor do they protest alike...all you have to do is look at the pictures and it is OBVIOUS that they are different protesters--to say nothing of the fact that Worcester MA, where the protesters came from, is a helluva long way from Seattle.

Large sigh.

I wonder why I even bother...?

[aikoaiko]

29. Statements, as opposed to questions, are often made to suggest an idea. Geesh.

Of course they were different protesters but was the different interaction due to that was my question.

The Seattle protesters were different people from the Netroots protesters protesters, but the plan was largely the same. And then there was the quiet, respectful dialogue with HRC. One thing was not like the others.

And a large sigh right back at you.

[MADem]

30. You have that search feature in the upper right corner and you can use it as well as I can.

Conspiracy theories, lifted straight from right-wing websites, are not ideas we as Democrats normally take seriously or even give the time of day--one has to be full of bile to shop that Soros funding BLM to attack Sanders to benefit Clinton tall tale here, and I have seen that theme on these pages. It's a theme that is frequently seen on sites run by groups that are listed as Hate organizations by the SPLC. It has no place here. It's not "just an idea." It has a bigoted element to it, it's ugly, it's wrong. So, yeah...geesh!


Clinton is not running a BIG RALLY/STUMP SPEECH campaign. She's meeting with small groups, having conversations, and taking questions in more intimate settings--she's not talking herself hoarse, she doesn't have to project to make herself heard in a small room, and she's also listening. So of course the dynamic is not the same. She does have security, because she is a former FLOTUS and Congress decided after 911 that this was a good use of funds. Anyone who resents that can complain to their representative.

I suspect that the #BLM protesters realized fairly quickly, when Clinton asked them to meet with her, that they would not HAVE to yell or scream to get her attention. And they didn't have to yell, because she engaged them directly. She listened, she heard what they had to say. Political theater is only needed when you have trouble getting someone's attention--she gave them her full attention.

She's a good listener. She always has been.

[aikoaiko]

33. Maybe so.

[mcar]

18. I read it too MADem

Amazing the revisionist history here.

[MADem]

21. Really....the search feature pulls it up without too much trouble.

Don't dare link, though! That'll bring down a rain of button-pushing!

[mcar]

26. I know it!

[Starry Messenger]

13. I'll bet Soros was the one holding the phone camera.

(Yes, I'm going to hell.)

[MADem]

22. Ha ha ha!!!!

Camera in one hand....checks in the other!!!

"Stick to the script, now, people--just as we rehearsed it!!!"

For the irony-impaired, the mandatory

[Starry Messenger]

31. I guess that whole line of logic just disappeared down the memory hole!

Soros who?? I might have to bookmark some threads from last week, just to enjoy in syndication someday.

[Luminous Animal]

36. The Hill team says the BLM requested no media. BLM denies this

https://twitter.com/BLM_Boston/status/631339190182150145

So somebody blocked the media from attending. I leaning towards that believing Black Lives Matter - Boston, did not make the request.

[MADem]

38. The "Hill Team" said nothing of the sort. Your link, in fact, says that a POLITICO reporter

specifically attributed that fact to #BLM--not "The Hill Team."

That tweet you posted is a retweet by BLM of a tweet from Gabriel Debenedetti, a POLITICO reporter, NOT a "Hill Team" staffer. And he is apparently quoting someone from BLM--at least that is what it sounds like from his vague, no-name tweet.

How hard is it to say Fred Kadiddlehopper from BLM asked that the mtg be closed?

BlackLivesMatterBOS
‏@BLM_Boston BlackLivesMatterBOS retweeted Gabriel Debenedetti
This is incorrect information. BlackLivesMatterBOS added,

Gabriel Debenedetti @gdebenedetti
The #BlackLivesMatter activists have requested that their meeting with Hillary be closed to the media.

He's not saying 'Clinton's operatives TOLD ME that BLM requested'....he's saying 'BLM have requested.' Further, his wording is horribly oblique--clearly not a graduate of Columbia Journalism School, is he?

This POLITICO reporter (and they are no friends of Clinton) is saying that BLM made this request--not anyone from Clinton's camp.


I'm not quite getting "blocked the media" in that post, either --particularly since there's video available, as well as a full written transcript that includes comments before and after these two clips (which tells me that someone else was recording the conversation as well).

It's ambiguous. And that just might be a polite way of saying "poor reporting." But that's POLITICO.

Maybe BLM didn't want POLITICO in the room...! I couldn't say I blame them!!!!

.........................................................................
EDIT to provide this clarifying tweet from #BLM--they NEVER ASKED for any press:

https://twitter.com/BLM_Boston/status/631317821679665152

BlackLivesMatterBOS
‏@BLM_Boston
To clarify, we made no requests re: media nor were we asked if media could be present for our conversation w @HillaryClinton #HollupHillary

8:44 AM - 12 Aug 2015

[Luminous Animal]

39. Yes. Politico reported that BLM requested no media. BLM denies this and yet media was barred...

So somebody requested no media so who would that be? If it wasn't Black Lives Matter, the request had to come from somewhere.

Maybe the janitor trying to keep her work load down.

[MADem]

41. I can't come to that conclusion based on what I have read--this is what BLM said, specifically:

They did not ASK for media, nor were they asked if it was OK for media to cover the meeting.

I rather doubt if they'd asked for reporters to be present that that request would have been refused.

https://twitter.com/BLM_Boston/status/631317821679665152

BlackLivesMatterBOS
‏@BLM_Boston
To clarify, we made no requests re: media nor were we asked if media could be present for our conversation w @HillaryClinton #HollupHillary

8:44 AM - 12 Aug 2015

You've got a Politico reporter who can't even bother to get the names of the activists making vague statements. This is a case of poor reporting, IMO.

There were plenty of people in that room....just not him?

There was at least one camera in that room, maybe more, too. There's a full transcript out on the web that includes material that precedes and follows the video up on YT, too.

[KoKo]

4. Interesting watch...Recommend.

[Juicy_Bellows]

6. I highly recommend watching just to see Hillary unscripted.

She's not in her element, says mmmmhmmmm 29 times in the first few minutes and then rattles this off:

Clinton pushes back: "Respectfully, if that is your position, then I will only talk to white people about the very real problems."

It wasn't respectful, it was snarky as hell.

[whatthehey]

11. Why?

If only white people are the problem with violence against black people (which is a claim off the absurdity scale as the scantest review of crime stats shows) then who else SHOULD anyone work with to stop the problem?

If only coal companies polluted groundwater (false, but an exact analog) why would you bother talking to fracking companies or chemical companies to solve groundwater pollution?

Incidentally hmmmmhmmm is a normal vocalization to show attention and comprehension among humans.

[Juicy_Bellows]

15. Mmmmhmmm.

I recommend watching it. That is all.

[tiredtoo]

8. in my humble opinion this was not Hillary's best day

However it did help me understand where #BLM is coming from. Sorry to say but my perspective as an old white guy was off. They, like many Americans, feel they have been marginalized by both parties.

[MADem]

24. I hope Bravenak is reading this thread--she'd probably be gratified to see your comments.

It's not about electoral politics and withholding an endorsement until someone jumps through the right hoop. It's not about anyone's favorite candidate. It's a call for concrete action. It's about a state of emergency. If your kids are dying at the hands of police, if it's your husband or wife, your father or mother, your friend, cousin, aunt, uncle...it is a priority issue.

This isn't "those other people, somewhere, over there..." This is about family and friends. And it can't wait any longer--it has to be addressed. Now is the time.

[SonderWoman]

10. Is BLM referring to the 1994 crime bill that Bernie voted yes on?

[aikoaiko]

14. #BlackLivesMatter was very respectful and deferential to HRC.

[Doctor_J]

17. she is not very good in unscripted situations

She has been handled so long and so completely that she probably doesn't even know how she believes about most issues. And these people were very respectful. Imagine if she'd been accosted like Sanders was.

[underpants]

27. From what I've seen of this she handled it very well

My 2 cents

[MADem]

32. I agree--it was frank, open and honest--and she left the door open. nt

[underpants]

35. That's the thing with her

As strange as it may sound she is going to re-introduce herself. People have heard a lot about her but when they hear FROMher they are going to be impressed

[Luminous Animal]

37. Black Lives Matter - Boston disagrees with you. From their twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/BLM_Boston/with_replies

Julius Jones of @BLM_Boston on NH mtg w Clinton: "She was ducking personal responsibility for her role in mass incarceration." #maddow

BlackLivesMatterBOS ‏@BLM_Boston 23h23 hours ago
As of today, the platform on her website still calls for "restoring balance” to the CJ system. #HollupHillary

BlackLivesMatterBOS ‏@BLM_Boston 23h23 hours ago
That's an inaccurate portrayal of the system, which has never had balance & was *designed* to disenfranchise Black folks. #HollupHillary

Hillary has also repeatedly called for more police & tougher prison sentences. #HollupHillary http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/05/hillary-clinton-response-eric-garner#.v4oydm:mMdg …

#HollupHillary: HRC worked to reduce federal assistance to women & children living in poverty.

HRC lobbied to expand drug war & mass incarceration in ways that still impact black & brown ppl today. #HollupHillary

HRC's policies are far-reaching, & negatively affect Black & brown people OUTSIDE the US as well. #HollupHillary

In Dec 2014, HRC claimed our CJ system was "out of balance." #HollupHillary http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-takes-hard-truths-about-race-and-justice …

That's an inaccurate portrayal of the system, which has never had balance & was *designed* to disenfranchise Black folks. #HollupHillary

As FLOTUS, Senator, & Secretary of State, HRC had more influence than most on policies that led 2 systemic oppression of POC. #HollupHillary

[Stellar]

19. If they weren't, what do you think Hillary's Secret Service detail would have done? nt

[aikoaiko]

20. The SS would have brought more attention to #BLM which...

...I've been told is the proximal purpose of a protest. The ultimate purpose, of course, is change.

[Major Hogwash]

40. "What you just said was a form of victim-blaming."

This is certainly how it sounds.