Anyone else watch the BLM/Hillary video and think

[whatchamacallit]

what the hell was that? Everything from BLM's gushing reverence, hyper-politeness, unfocused statements and softball pseudo-questions, to Clinton's annoyed, finger jabbing, content free, allowed-to-drone-on posturing = one big

[SonderWoman]

1. What exactly are you advocating for here?

[whatchamacallit]

3. I'm not advocating for anything

Just trying to make sense of it all.

[Juicy_Bellows]

2. It was a poor showing and reflects poorly on her.

I can not imagine her reaction if she got it like Sanders and O'Malley. I recommend people WATCH the video, the transcripts don't convey the pointing and agitation she exuded.

[Motown_Johnny]

4. I wasn't going to say it...

but it sure was different than demanding the mic or you will shut the event down.

Plus, the staffer jumping in to give her time to think of an answer was pretty obvious.

[jwirr]

17. Yes. And she even told them that she would only talk to White people

about this problem. If they got what she said that must have gone over big.

[jfern]

33. She needed to get some serious whitesplaining going

[cali]

5. yes. interesting how little response there's been from BLM activists

A very little bit of timid criticism.

[BooScout]

6. I saw respect on both sides....

Maybe that's the difference in Hillary and Bernie. Hillary and her supporters give BLM the respect they deserve for a legitimate movement....from Bernie I see very little respect. He talks 'at' you, not to you......and apparently he doesn't listen either.

[ibegurpard]

7. with all due respect to Hillary ' s answers

Which I thought were pretty good...that's exactly what she'd did. She listened in order to talk and was pretty aggressive in her speaking.

[cali]

8. first of all there were no supporters there. secondly she wasn't shoved and screamed at

And they were so cowed and deferential it was sad to watch.

[jfern]

34. But buit but

None of her supporters were acting annoyed, and that's all that matters.

[whatchamacallit]

9. Bullshit

BLM set the tone with Sanders day one. There was already disrespect for him well before his supporters could weigh in. This "Bernie and his supporters earned derision" has been a forced narrative since the beginning.

[cali]

11. +1000

[KMOD]

15. This is part of the problem.

You are concerned about some perceived disrespect, and completely ignoring the message of Black Lives Matter.

Black Lives Matter. They matter more than an interrupted speech, and they matter more than your anger over what you saw as disrespect towards Bernie Sanders.

I highly doubt that Sanders is upset over this. Thankfully he has agreed to talk with the movement. I'm glad. This is a conversation way past due and I'm thrilled it's become part of the national dialogue.

[sibelian]

21. So WHAT is the actual "problem"

if you're "thrilled it's become part of the national dialogue"?

[KMOD]

22. The killing of black people.

[sibelian]

23. So you think Sanders' recent efforts to connect with BLM are of benefit to them?

Or not?

[KMOD]

24. I'm very happy he has reached out to them.

Yes, it's a benefit.

[AlbertCat]

32. This "Bernie and his supporters earned derision" has been a forced narrative since the beginning.

Started by the GOP.... who seemed to notice there were white people in VT.


That this GOP lying meme has be fallen for hook lone and sinker by some Dems is, well, pitiful.

[LondonReign2]

42. If by GOP you mean Camp Hillary, I agree

I didn't hear any Republican camp weigh on the Sanders-BLM interactions, it was all from Hillary's side. Just more Integrity Free campaigning.

[phleshdef]

36. These people were a whole lot more mature and intelligent than those 2 that crashed Bernie in WA.

This is why I said that those 2 girls in Seattle did nothing but hurt the BLM cause, because they made complete asses of themselves. Please don't just the entire movement by a few immature attention seekers.

[Motown_Johnny]

12. The difference between Hillary and Bernie supporters

is the difference between fantasy and reality.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/18/how-hillary-let-down-blacklivesmatter.html

^snip^

SWING AND A MISS08.18.153:35 PM ET

How Hillary Let Down #BlackLivesMatter


In the first video, Julius Jones of BLM implores Clinton to explain how she has evolved on issues of race since the 1990s when she supported policies that have led to the mass incarceration of African Americans. “How do you actually feel that is different than before?” he asked. “And what were those mistakes, and how can those mistakes that you’ve made be lessons for all Americans for a moment of reflection on how we treat black people in this country?”

A Clinton staffer then politely interjected that they were already running short on time, and that throngs of other groups were also waiting to speak with the candidate. This did not go over well, and projected a dismissive perspective of the BLM movement before Clinton had a chance to respond. Regardless of whether this was the intent, it’s indicative of a larger problem, which Clinton’s response further highlighted.

Clinton’s stuck to the standard political, unemotional answers that referenced her commitment to civil rights issues and to the concerns of the needy and children. Next she briefly, and uncomfortably, touched upon America’s “original sin” without ever saying slavery, racial oppression, or the near destruction of Native American civilization. Then she transitioned straight into the realities of electoral politics: “I’m trying to put together in a way that I can explain it and I can sell it, because in politics if you can’t explain it and you can’t sell it, it stays on the shelf.”






I am sticking to the 4 paragraph rule here, there is much much more at the link.

[whatchamacallit]

41. The whole thing creeped me out n/t

[progressoid]

19. Probably doesn't hurt to have the Secret Service there too.

[MaggieD]

26. Bingo

That is my take as well. I think he showed annoyance and dismissiveness, and she was honest, but respectful, as were BLM. And let's face it, there really is more for them to bitch about with Bernie. HRC has not essentially said that solving the problem of economic equality will solve racism. It's an absurd concept to me, but Bernie seems to really believe that.

[Vattel]

29. Please link to where Bernie said

that "economic equality will solve racism."

[AlbertCat]

31. I saw respect on both sides....

Yeah.... BLM didn't shut down the event.


Sanders has shown much more respect under the circumstances.

[Eleanors38]

10. Must be nice to have a "respectful" conversation.

[aikoaiko]

13. It was weird.

[oasis]

14. It went well. (eom)

[whatchamacallit]

30. Lol

Sure it did.

[aspirant]

16. Are Black murders solved with an advertising campaign?

"in politics if you can’t explain it and you can’t sell it, it stays on the shelf.”

A business marketing approach to solve BLM issues, does anyone doubt how she will govern?

[Juicy_Bellows]

20. Well Said.

And she basically asked BLM to provide her with a sales pitch, like it was an episode of Shark Tank or something.

[glinda]

18. Security detail might have influenced the situation.

[HappyMe]

25. It was pretty weird.

[tularetom]

27. Wow I just got around to watching it

And it was effing bizarre.

[Doctor_J]

28. even with the tight security and polite setting, she still could/wouldn't answer

the questions. I hope everyone is this nice to her during the ge campaign.

[phleshdef]

35. I thought it was fine, and I'm a Bernie supporter.

[whatchamacallit]

37. Are ya now?

[phleshdef]

38. Um yea...

And I've done nothing but defend Bernie against those 2 asshole girls in Seattle.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251510153

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=461485

[whatchamacallit]

39. Sorry

I jumped to the wrong conclusion because there have been several "Bernie supporters" who do nothing but work against him. My bad.

[phleshdef]

40. Nah, look, I'm all for Bernie just like I was all for Obama in 2008.

But you know, if it comes down to Hillary Clinton or Martin O'Malley getting sworn in when it comes January 2016, I won't be sad or anything. I'm not getting into this inter-party primary bickering. I don't care for it... well... unless Webb or Chaffee become candidates to worry about, but thats not gonna happen.

[rbnyc]

43. I was disgusted

First, it is so condescending to defend yourself on racial justice by citing your charitable work. On the issue of race she understands her privelege is a stigma, so she uses the children helped through her philanthropy to dissaccosiate herself from that stigma, while deflecting and not actually answering his question.

Then she essentially says that if she looks like she's one of the bad guys, it's just because BLM doesn't understand how politics works and they should just be patient while she, the professional, makes black lives marketable to low information white voters.

Disgusting.