2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhen not a single member of Congress has endorsed you.....
I would submit that it is you that is the problem and not those that refuse to endorse you.
Warning....angst and teeth gnashing ahead.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Everybody knows that Clinton was (was) far away the front runner when the campaigns began and has heavy political sway over the party. Couple that with the fact that Bernie is an Independent, not technically a Democrat, and it's pretty easy to see why the Democratic members of congress would gravitate toward Clinton.
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)I don't think it says anything about anyone personally, it shows how the political system works.
There is a tremendous amount of money and influence that surrounds the Clintons. Hillary is the favorite, but the sheer magnitude of Bill and his foundation in terms of money, connections etc. is very attractive.
Contrast that with Bernie Sanders, a nice old guy from Vermont who really isn;t all that connected.....follow the money.
earthside
(6,960 posts)I would submit that it is you that have become an oligarch.
Warning....denial, angst and teeth gnashing ahead.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Just slightly different around the edges that do not matter to the Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)it make you a bad person?
Joe Turner
(930 posts)Play by the Rules would certainly not apply.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Gothmog
(145,489 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)And I would like to point out that the GOP is going spend a lot of their time "investigating" Benghazi and email-gate, waste of time that those things are. Or, are you suggesting that the GOP is going to stop hating Hillary? Oh my! such fun this morning!
eridani
(51,907 posts)Which may happen--he appeals to the 63%.
Gothmog
(145,489 posts)I can tell you that we in Texas are terrified of the effect that Sanders would have on down ballot races. The term socialist does not play well here.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Clinton doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell with the 63%.
Socialism is losing power as a snarl word, and has been for some time. But I do think the campaign should be doing some reframing, talking about public goods instead of Norway and Sweden.
Public goods by definition are straight out of Karl Marx. The more your property is worth, the higher the property taxes you pay to support the fire department. (From each according to his ability.) But they don't send a truck out unless you have a fire. (To each according to his means.) The difference between Democrats and Republicans is that they think public goods should be restricted to the white and/or the wealthy, and we think they should be for everyone.
Gothmog
(145,489 posts)See http://www.democraticunderground.com/107827740 Sanders would be a drag on down ballot races in most states where the word socialist and socialism are not accepted. I know that there are some in my state party who are terrified of the effect that Sanders would have on down ballot races
eridani
(51,907 posts)Obama is called a "socialist." And Clinton will be too if she gets the nomination. Deal with it.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)You know, the Republican, do-nothing Congress we currently have?
Sanders has been attaching amendments to a lot of pills and getting them passed.
Clearly a guy who can get Republicans to pass things could never possibly get things passed by Democrats.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'd love to pass that around!
That's golden!
jeff47
(26,549 posts)(Hint to Sanders team: Get on that)
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I've been known to start a few memes on Twitter.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Which has all the information on everything Sanders has sponsored or co-sponsored, and whether or not it passed. Unfortunately, the news article just breezed right by any real statistics, so it isn't at all useful.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Gothmog
(145,489 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)And got it through a Republican House.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)If and when it becomes clear that a "betrayal" of Hillary will not come with danger of political payback from her.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Once he officially seals the nomination. The fact of the matter is that Democratic members of congress have everything to lose by endorsing Sanders over Clinton at the moment. Do you think that Bernie cares whether he gets endorsed or not? No way. But you can bet that if Clinton gets nominated and a member of Congress didn't endorse her there will likely be some kind of consequences for that member.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Political bravery is not a typical politician trait.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)for the Progressives, at least first.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Bernie's Policies De-legitimize The Basis Of Power That His Colleagues Rely Upon For Their Status.
HRCs policies do otherwise.
What does that say about HRC And Maintaining The Status Quo?
Ultimately, No One Is Brave Enough To Bite The Hand That Feeds.
What Does That Say About America?
Your first line says it all.
azmom
(5,208 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)makes any difference at all to Bernie supporters. Really, you expect supporters to switch because of endorsements? Bwahahaha!
I think endorsements are nice. Some are politically driven, and not a statement against another candidate per se.
Sorry, no angst and teeth gnashing here, just a happy certainty that I personally am supporting Bernie because of deeds, records, and issues, and not because of endorsements. What seems like a problem to YOU is not a problem for others, hard as that evidently is to understand.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)of the Clintons in the party, the fact that the party establishment has been lining up behind Hillary for years, that Bernie is both a (democratic) socialist and an independent, a reluctance to land on hillary's famous hit list, and a desire to win.
djean111
(14,255 posts)because Warren is a Democrat, and had better endorse Hillary.
Which rather neatly, if unintended, sums up the importance of endorsements from Congress.
I cannot imagine switching support from any candidate to any other candidate because of endorsements.
Not even if Warren dutifully endorses Hillary.
Oh, and the GOP are not going to stop investigating Benghazi and email-gate. Those are, IMO, stupid things, but to think that the party in power in Congress wants to work with Hillary is really delusional.
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)RichVRichV
(885 posts)And Bernie supporters are the ones looking for rainbows and unicorns.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)The OP predicted gnashing of teeth. Just a bit of eye strain here from the involuntary roll that they took when I read the OP.
Hey you.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Shame on you for disappointing the op!
Autumn
(45,120 posts)not even a flying fuck who Congress endorses. They just don't impress me at all. I would value the endorsement of a crack addicted lady of the evening standing on a street corner earning an honest living more than theirs.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Selling your body isn't immoral, selling out your constituents is.
The real whores wear expensive clothes and commute to DC.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)global1
(25,265 posts)the Dems in Congress endorse him.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)onehandle
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striegl
(18 posts)Hillary had over two times more endorsements than Barack, yet she didn't win the nomination. What's your point about endorsements? That they don't determine who gets nominated for President?
Endorsements are nice but they don't actually vote in the primaries.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-youre-no-barack-obama
George II
(67,782 posts)Still 60+ % in the important states of Florida, Ohio, Illinois.
Seems that when it comes to endorsements, Sanders has flat-lined.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Better luck next time, practice makes perfect they say.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)neverforget ---
fredamae
(4,458 posts)weakness...and reveals a huge part of the problem(s) with Dems in DC.
They are political cowards- imo -because Campaign Money is at risk IF they should be so bold as to step out of their "proper place" and endorse anyone But the establishment candidate.
But, that's just my opinion.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)I can't tell you who in Congress "endorsed" Obama when he was running, or which ones have "endorsed" Clinton this go round...because quite frankly..I don't really care.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)I'm not going to vote for someone on the basis of an endorsement. I'm perfectly able to make this decision on my own.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)is it doesn't matter who you support, if you don't support the establishment candidate that is, because the fact of the matter is that political endorsements equals "delegates" at the convention, and those delegates are truly what matters; not public preference. Small 'd' democracy.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)The 'Not Hillary' Party is more of a... What do you call it?...
Ah, yes.
A 'Third Way.'
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Good one.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)MoveIt
(399 posts)Response to corkhead (Reply #58)
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jeff47
(26,549 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)That is the person that was sending me PMs about a week ago...I was shocked.
I Blocked and Alerted...don't tell me that they aren't gone?!?!
Total harassment.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Just block/ignore. It's stalking.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)That he hasn't been endorsed by many in that lot makes me like him more.
Gman
(24,780 posts)to put food on the table and a roof over their heads, a pro-business candidate is the best candidate. The issue then becomes corporate responsibility and labor protections. Hillary can take care of both of those and do it well.
Bernie has pretty much peaked anyway. He won't be much of a factor in the grand scheme of things. It worked out very well in the 90's.
MoveIt
(399 posts)DrBulldog
(841 posts)is nearly always - at first - in the EXTREME MINORITY. History has taught us that.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Perhaps endorsements matter to low information voters, but not to this one.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)I bet you forgot about that.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)is truly outside the corruption that is present day Washington. While the rest of them are playing power politics among themselves, Bernie is reaching out to the people with his message. The power of the people is the only endorsement he needs.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)"Clinton voted for Iraq War" has been posted on DU!
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)But it is contained in at least 34,321 other posts. But please, tell me again, why would anyone have voted for that war when we all knew the info being given out was fake.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You would think they'd know better than to bring that up.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)so it would seem that getting their endorsements might not necessarily help anyone.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)TBF
(32,085 posts)who are not bought & paid for is more important than the paid representatives. Or at least it should be. We shall see.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)-none
(1,884 posts)We need many more people in Congress with the people in mind.
Vinca
(50,302 posts)He will not line up and do tricks on command for donations and play lap dog to a party line that is promoting the "presumed" candidate. That's why I support him. If the votes come in and he's beating Hillary, her endorsements will jump ship as fast as they jumped on.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)it might be important to you. For me personally, political endorsements by other politicians means squat because cronyism doesn't necessarily legitimize a candidacy. I do believe that avoidance of the discussion of issues by placing importance on the non-important is par for the course for establishment candidates. I have seen the reference to political endorsements translate to delegates, however this validates precisely Sanders words on the degradation of our democracy; wherein public opinion be damned because the oligarchy owns the delegates, and factually THEY are the only ones that matter; Diebold can handle the rest.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)in my lifetime, I knew the importance in teamwork. In Congress it most important you work with others, this is how bills are passed, you can sponsor all the bills and if you do not have teamwork those bills will not get passed. You have to work across lines and talk with others to even get the message out you want a bill passed and why it is important, WTH happened.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts).
Just another OP that's sole purpose is to poke a stick in other people's cages. Nothing more!
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cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Angst about which of them endorse you is completely misplaced.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)I'm not sure running on "Congress likes me" is a terribly smart strategy.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)Because when people look for leadership and courage, they look towards the US congress.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Sanders is an independent. Actually with most of the people in congress, if they did support Sanders, I would lose a little respect for Sanders because he is not like the others.
senz
(11,945 posts)Hey, when all else fails, you can talk about his funny hair or his beloved out-of-wedlock son.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)n/t
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)especially with congressional approval ratings being through the roof.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)lack of their 'endorsement' isn't such a bad thing afterall
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 24, 2015, 10:52 AM - Edit history (1)
of the choice of candidate?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)He probably will get some but it is interesting he didn't get one.
HappyPlace
(568 posts)HappyPlace heartily endorses Senator Bernie Sanders!
Yes, I do!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Ventura is a truther as well i think.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Yes, Jesse's definitely a Truther, but I haven't heard anything about Sanders on that issue. I don't think he's ever gone in for the False Flag stuff, really.
I don't know how many of BS's supporters are in that group. I believe they've suffered from a Libertarian infiltration like Occupy did and they don't know what to do with them. AJ called for Libertarians and Ron Paul supporters to get into Occupy because he said they were getting with the anti-capitalist folks.
Their philosophy also does not work with BS's AFAIK, even though he is clearly not a pure socialist at all. He is willing to push MIC programs which benefit capitalists and gives jobs. So the fact that a lot of socialists have endorsed him may not be what some people expect. IDK if he sought endorsements from any of these folks.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)It's the POPULACE. The LAND and it's PEOPLE.