Dr. Jane Goodall flamed online after shaking hands with Hillary.

[RandySF]

But today I observed this unfortunate trend extend to another woman I deeply admire, Dr. Jane Goodall. Dr. Goodall's public Facebook page, which is curated by a proxy, posted the above photograph of Dr. Goodall and Hillary Clinton with the following caption:

Dr. Goodall and Hillary Clinton shake hands at the University of St Andrews honorary degree and 600th anniversary event in 2013. In addition to Jane and Hillary, the graduation ceremony honored 16 other inspirational men and women for their accomplishments and contributions to the world. #TBT

What followed, then, with no acknowledgement from almost anyone about the actual subject matter of the picture, was a long thread of snarky, hateful comments about Hillary, one more hysterical than the other, calling out the good doctor for her clearly misguided connection to Ms. Clinton. The very first, left by a woman who posted and reposted various iterations of her initial comment, said (and I'm leaving off the poster's name, despite the public status of Goodall's Facebook page):

I hope this isn't an indication of who Dr. Jane Goodall will be supporting in the U.S. Presidential election. Please, please take a look at what Bernie Sanders is all about before jumping on board with Hillary Clinton. Bernie is the real deal, genuine, consistent, and always fighting for the average American, what's right and fair, and not tied to big money interests. Hillary Clinton is very much in the pocket of Big Money including oil companies that are threatening the environment and against measures to combat climate change. Bernie Sanders has put addressing climate change at the forefront of his platform, along with fighting income inequality and reforming our political system. #FeeltheBern #Bernie2016

Civil enough, despite it having zero to do with the photograph, but after that first-to-the-dance-floor comment, and despite Goodall's representative assuring everyone that "Dr. Goodall does not support any US presidential candidate since she is a British citizen and does not have the right to vote in the USA," the thread metastasized into an ugly rant amongst generalized Hillary haters and specific Bernie supporters, with little attention paid to the woman whose page it was, a person who certainly deserved a level of decorum and respect she did not get from those using her thread to politically pontificate.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lorraine-devon-wilke/bernie-bullying-and-other_b_7908216.html

[virtualobserver]

1. those evil bernie supporters

[KittyWampus]

127. So by posting a false accusation that no one is making… you try to mask

the over-the-top behavior of quite a few Sanders supporters.

The complete melt down his supporters had after the first BLM activists disrupted both Sanders AND O'Malley is also a good example of this OTT nonsense.

[virtualobserver]

142. first.....the article was bogus......I went to Jane Goodall's facebook

and read every post, and there was no bullying by Bernie supporters.
There was no over-the-top behavior by Sanders supporters on Jane Goodall's Facebook.
The people that are defending this OP didn't bother to read her Facebook page.

The Bernie supporters referenced her environmental positions that were in conflict with Hillary.

second....this bogus article was written weeks ago, so this OP was nothing more than an attempt to revive the "Bernie supporters are evil" meme.

So, my picture was making light of the seemingly never ending attempts by Hillary supporters
to paint Bernie supporters as mean and bullying.

It was not a false accusation.

[Scootaloo]

227. +1

[Android3.14]

155. What virtualobserver said

You must have amazing flexibility to tolerate the contortions necessary to continue to believe Hillary is the best flag bearer for the Democrats.

[Armstead]

2. And Clinton's supporters are all so polite and respectful and well behaved,

Shame on those horrible Sanders supporters. Shame, shame,shame.

[RandySF]

5. From what I see on DU, yes we are.

[Fawke Em]

9. No. You're not.

HRC supporters are snarky and condescending.

[John Poet]

16. Amen to that.

Condescending--- that's their one very common quality that absolutely drives me NUTS.
And not in a good way.

[Fawke Em]

34. Maybe they get it from their candidate.

One of the reasons, besides her constant support of Wall Street, that I don't like Clinton is because she comes across as very condescending.

She acts like she knows everything. I'll admit she's smart and knowledgeable of the issues, but when she speaks about them, she acts like she's the only person in the room who knows the subject matter. Just because I'm not a former First Lady or Secretary of State doesn't mean I'm not aware of what is going on and don't have a reasoned opinion how on how to solve problems.

I was an Obama supporter from the primaries on because she rubs me the wrong way.

I don't even know when she started acting like that. I don't recall her being so condescending when she was First Lady. She seemed intelligent and warm, then. Must be the access to power she now enjoys that has made her that way. Back then, she was just coming into real power from Arkansas, so she was far more humble.

[BainsBane]

72. Except if you look at how the candidates have run their campaigns so far

Bernie's had been geared toward large areas where he gives speeches, and he is the only one talking. Clinton has been meeting with congressional Democrats, community leaders, church groups, unions, and voters-- listening to their concerns in order to better represent them. She's discussed, for example, how she came to understand the importance of mental health issues by listening to voters talk about their experiences. The actions of the candidates thus indicate the opposite of your perception. What you describe is a common complaint about women in positions of authority, whether business, the classroom or politics.

[seabeyond]

88. there you are being all condescending and stuff, like you know everything baines. dare to point out

a simple contradiction to what is being said, not humble enough, imo.

[BainsBane]

124. But she was humble enough

when she was First Lady and not seeking a position of authority.

[seabeyond]

125. ya know. this whole conversation is shift me to

some kind of woman voice power thing. and fuck the tone

dont want to go look for a picture though that represents the raised arm. just picture it, ok. lol

[Fawke Em]

205. Dare to speak in an sentence?

God... I used to stick up for you.

[AlbertCat]

120. Bernie's had been geared toward large areas where he gives speeches

.... and he is the only one talking. Clinton has been meeting with congressional Democrats, community leaders, church groups, unions, and voters--"


Doesn't she know what the problems are already? Can she not think of any solutions? Backroom deals and private promises? What about the people?

Do we want a leader or a shrink?



OK..seriously (I wasn't being too serious before) The style of campaigns mean little. It's the content, and what gets people excited. This meeting with reps and listening to their complaints in back rooms is no better, and a little "let's make a deal" compared to a getting out there and addressing the population you will supposedly be governing. There's plenty of time for private "listening tours" after the nomination is decided.

[BainsBane]

123. She is talking to the people and LISTENING

It's not backyard deals. Some of these meetings have even been on CSPAN. No, how could she know about the array of people's lives and their issues without talking to them? You don't. I don't. We know about our own lives. The only way one learns about other people's experiences is by listening to them.

Politics is not meant to be entertainment or spectacle, like a rock concert. It's personal relationships and constituent service. What you are seeing in the Democratic party that you all decry as favoritism is the result of decades of building relationships. These congress people endorse Clinton because she meets with them and asks for their support, as she meets with the unions and other citizen groups. No one is entitled to support from any single voter, group, or any endorsement. They have to do the work to earn it, and that is precisely what Clinton has been doing. It's completely the opposite of what the other poster described.

[AlbertCat]

126. and LISTENING

How can you tell?


By the "Um hum's"?

[BainsBane]

194. I happened to see your post

where you decided to pretend my comment on how Clinton is running her campaign was an attack on Bernie. I think it's rather sad you chose to take that as an attack. Am I to understand that you think no one should be defending Clinton or saying anything positive about her because it might imply that Sanders is not perfection itself? Are we not allowed to hold any thought that suggests anyone but Bernie Sanders does anything positive in anyway? Is that why you chose to pretend I had made a series of attacks about Sanders you described as a "meme"?

[seabeyond]

128. race. i just compared it to a sport event, a race. lol. competition. decades.

how in shape we are. at the starting line, we are already way ahead.

someone telling me i was bad, because i was looking at the likely candidates campaign, IF she wins. how dare i. i am omalley. i am not allowed to like.... look ahead IN CASE clinton wins the nominee. what sense does that make.

i mean, really. literally. what sense does it make for me to not watch what clinton is doing?

anyway... being in sports for two decades, and business, i know that pragmatic, listening, process, allows good choices.

why not.

instead of ignoring dissing trashing

[AlbertCat]

132. instead of ignoring dissing trashing

Is that why the Hillary Group bans anyone who spells her name wrong?


I don't understand why Hillary supporters here think Sanders isn't listening or being pragmatic. He certainly isn't ignoring, dissing, or trashing anyone. Not even Hillary. He was very pragmatic when it came time to vote on going into Iraq.

Maybe you should listen to what he says instead of making up "problems" with his campaign.

[seabeyond]

136. i do not do groups. i do not know that i have ever purposely walked in that group.

i do feminist and lately i have been in AA a lot like.... listening. lol. i did omalley a lot when he irst declared because i wanted to get to know him. now, i do not go in very much.

there are a lot of reasons why non sanders supporters do not feel sadners listens and do not feel he is pragmatic. jsut those two things you siggested, we see very differently. many of us have tried to express it, many different ways. sanders supporters are not receptive. but, that does not mean we are not going to continue to express what we think.

[AlbertCat]

129. Politics is not meant to be entertainment or spectacle, like a rock concert.

Then why go with a "star"?

[seabeyond]

131. when i do competition, when i put my head down for a race, it is not about entertaining.

it is sweaty, hard work.

i guess that is how we see it differently. i am not dolling myself up to entertain you.

i am going for the win.

problem?

when i have a job, when i buy a business, when i have a race, ... i look, listen, process, strategize.

[AlbertCat]

134. when i do competition....

Are you Hillary?


I still don't know what makes you think these are things Sanders isn't doing.

Hillary's campaign seems more like a show than Sanders'. Sanders sounds authentic.

[seabeyond]

138. you deny the politician in sanders. i do not. i find this fascinating. and i see the politician

in sanders. in my book, that is not bad or negative, cause he is a politician after all.

i may be starting an OP about the politician in the authentic sanders. i certainly see it. a lot of fun in it too, ..... cause, i do not take it personally. maybe you do, and that is what sanders people are doing. taking this personally. i do not. i do not assign shit to the candidates either. like

a legend before he has even begun

or

the wicked witch of the east.

[Fawke Em]

206. Bullshit. eom

[Fawke Em]

204. That has NOTHING to do with what I said.

I am a woman and am in a position of authority.

So... I guess you're out of line.

[AlbertCat]

135. Condescending--- that's their one very common quality

It's that "She deserves it! It's her turn" nonsense.

[seabeyond]

139. fug what she says, it is her tone? and. lol. and. men telling us we are only voting clinton cause

she has the same lady (not woman) parts.

rolling eyes. lol

[AlbertCat]

140. men telling us

What about the women telling you that you are voting just because she's a woman?

Singling out "men" telling you things is a revealing detail. Besides, I've seen many women post (and some men) things like "It's time for a woman president" as their 1st comment on Hillary.

[seabeyond]

168. when a white tells a black. when a man tells a women. ya. there is a difference.

there just is. gonna argue it? you do it alone.

but yes... there are women that have no problem throwing women on the bus. you are right. i will not/cannot argue that. it is an issue. and our reality in the fight and struggle with men telling us.... because they always come back and say, what about the women that agree with us.

autonomy of our bodies? there are women that agree with us.

ya. that

[Fawke Em]

207. Well...

Not her TONE. She's condescending. I think I said that. And I'M A WOMAN.

[BainsBane]

69. The article isn't about snarky and condescending

What it describes is a whole other level, which is also what is happening to Howard Dean. It has also happened to Black Lives Matter and many African American activists in social media, even though they haven't committed the crime of endorsing Hillary Clinton.

[AlbertCat]

137. The article isn't about snarky and condescending

No it's about Jane Goodall.... who has nothing to do with the election.... and a few rude people who for some reason Hillary supporters think is really Sanders himself using an alias....or something.

I can't see what it's about except complaining that everybody doesn't worship Hillary.

[merrily]

74. And, not infrequently, a good deal worse than that. Repeately claiming your behavior is superior

doesn't make you accurate, only self-righteous and perhaps dishonest.

Then again, double standards are not exactly new to DU.

[Duckhunter935]

79. Bravo

So true

[Cha]

201. "HRC supporters are snarky and condescending". And, BS supporters are not?

[L0oniX]

222. So you're saying they are very Hillaryish?

[Armstead]

20. OH puleezze. Most if us on DU get excessive in our zeal. Be intellectually honest about it.

[wendylaroux]

153. oh come on! lol

there's assholes in every corner.

[virtualobserver]

10. The weird thing is, Bernie isn't even running for President...his supporters are.

[merrily]

75. LOL! And all many millions of them are exactly alike, too.

[virtualobserver]

80. like we had a choice!....you remember what it was like, before we separated back at the hive.....

a personal identity wasn't an option.

[merrily]

81. You missed the buzz?

(good one, btw)

[restorefreedom]

111. uh, yes he is

this "he isn.t runnning to win" meme is played.

[virtualobserver]

113. I should have added the

to my post.

[restorefreedom]

116. no there was no need for you to do that

totally my bad. i missed your bernie tag and the glaringly obvious gs decal.

it has been a bad week. i should be reading only not commenting until i get my shit together, if i can miss something that clear.

[merrily]

117. Well,

It was a funny post about how people pretend they aren't voting for Senator Sanders because his supporters are allegedly so awful. 44


The same people who post that on DU were the same ones I never believed were supporting him anyway. No clue why they pretended to at first, but I never believed them and they never posted like they were supporting him--or even genuinely undecided. They were either lying or concern trolling while posting in support of Hillary. It was transparent then and it still is.

[restorefreedom]

176. yeah i have seen some of his "supporters"

with friends like that......

[Metric System]

3. Not surprised by this at all. If you dare support Hillary (or just have a pic with her) be prepared

for an onslaught of angry Sanders supporters. I really don't get it.

[Armstead]

22. And vice versa

[Metric System]

23. Really? Where?

[Armstead]

42. Everywhere...For starters: Do you ever visit that place called DU and read the threads?

"Sanders supporters" are not some monolithic army of the Borg, led by a singular dominating source.

It's a collection of people who have decided to support a particular candidate. Some politely and quietly. some rudely., and some varying.

Just like the people who support Clinton or any other candidate.

Sometimes Sanders supporters get over the top. Sometimes Clinton supporters get over the top.

Can't you at least be intellectually honest about that?

[cannabis_flower]

103. I support Bernie..

but I'd go see Hillary speak and shake her hand. I genuinely like Hillary and will vote for her if she wins the primary. But I hope she doesn't.

[seabeyond]

105. i feel the same about all three. i was just thinking, if a sanders rally came around me, would be

fun to go to.

good for you

[Cha]

202. Yeah, and then victims that they are.. they try to project it on to others.. Not working.

[TheFarS1de]

4. Sanders , the Great Satan .

These attacks are getting more subtle by the day

[Metric System]

7. This isn't about Sanders at all. It's about some of his supporters.

[TheFarS1de]

12. Sure it is ...

that's why you dragged another stupid fight from another forum to continue here because of his supporters . Cool story .

[Metric System]

14. Huh? I dragged what now?

[hrmjustin]

39. There is a long history of Hillary hate on this site.

[merrily]

78. There is also a long history on this site of labeling any criticism of Hillary as hate

and also a long history of left bashing. And plotting off board and ganging up. And other less than desirable posting behaviors, esp. for a Democratic site.

[KittyWampus]

130. There's a long history of Democrat hate on this site.

[seabeyond]

133. more so now. we have a democratic candidate whose base is middle and working class poeple

a lot of his base are people that have for a lifetime bashed democrats.

now they supporter sanders and du is their site too.

i tried to explain in an OP. not very many people bought it. but it is our reality.

i cannot tell you the number of posts from relatively new posters that say: i am not a democrat but i support sanders.

ya. well. welcome to du

[Luminous Animal]

28. Who may not be his supporters. There are thousands upon thousands of paid trolls on the internet

I'm on a lot of FB, Twitter, and Reddit pro-Bernie feeds and his supporters rarely make comments like that.

Who has a great interest in dividing Dems and sowing dissension? The Koch Brothers and the Republican Party.

[RandySF]

19. So it never happened?

[Scootaloo]

228. Jane Goodall was never flamed.

In fact, pretty much everyone commenting there seems to be in agreement hat she's a pretty damn great person.

There's one person - one - advocating for Sanders in those posts. That person is quoted in the huffpo article.

There's a lot of anti-Clinton sentiment there though. Also a couple anti-Bernie slaps from Clinton supporters (Or at least, people wearing Hillary avatars)

It's all there. July 30th on Goodall's facebook page.

[SonderWoman]

6. This has become all too typical.

[stevenleser]

8. This was alerted, FYI. Nt

[Cha]

59. Of course it was Alerted on.. they can't handle facts being brought TO LIGHT about the online

behavior of too many BS supporters.

[SunSeeker]

70. Unfuckingbelievable. nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

11. I like your Sanders...

His supporters,not so much...

[Ed Suspicious]

64. You don't have to like me, but know your disdain only feeds my inner beast. Now I'm really

feeling like being angry at Hillary!!!! RAWR, SANDERS OR BUST!!!!! This is all thanks to you Hillary supporters!!!!!!!!!!!!


This is truly silly season here at DU.

[VanillaRhapsody]

67. you do realize thats a play on what Ghandi

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Said about Christ and Christians right?

I stand pat...

As if saying that is anywhere near as "silly" as confemning Jane Goodall for shaking Clinton's hand.

[Hekate]

68. Went right over his head, apparently

I appreciated it, though.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

13. This was alerted on

I'll post the results, no way this gets hidden.

[Metric System]

17. I wouldn't be surprised if it is given the state of the jury system.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

25. Nope

On Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:14 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Dr. Jane Goodall flamed online after shaking hands with Hillary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251565025

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This post is repeating right wing lies and talking points claiming that "Bernie-Bullies" are harassing people because one person posted a mild comment on celebrity's pubic facebook page. This is a completely sleazy hit piece and doesn't belong on a Democratic site.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:22 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think the alerter doth protest too much. It's a HUFFINGTON POST article--and most of the people over there are Republicans. It's probably GOP posers pretending to be Sanders supporters--not like there are not a lot of those around. Respond to the post or hit HIDE THREAD but don't take this kind of thing to a jury. If someone was calling you stupid, a liar, an asshole, or other names, I'd vote to hide, but this isn't about personal insults or rudeness between DUers. It's about responses to an article at a skeevy website.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Wow? Seriously? This is one of the most useless alerts I have ever seen. Good job, alerter.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Pathetic alert.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.


I was number 3

[Suich]

61. I was either #1, 5, 6 or 7!

The thread is a hot mess!

[ibegurpard]

15. Yeah this is old

Why do you suppose you're dragging it out today?
Guess we're back to the awful mean Sanders supporters since none of the other shit is sticking.

[RandySF]

18. I never saw it posted before.

[ibegurpard]

24. But you saw the date

Of July 30...which of course meant nothing to you since you're trying to revive an already tired narrative. Carry on. I'm sure Jane Goodall is doing quite well.

[Metric System]

21. It's highly relevant to the behavior on display on Howard Dean's Facebook page.

[ibegurpard]

27. those awful awful Sanders supporters

Destroying everyone's lives!
Get a grip.

[Metric System]

29. You must be a part of the mob on his Facebook page.

[ibegurpard]

33. Nope

I was a huge Deaniac! You can go back and check my posts in 04. I still have an enormous amount of respect for what he did for the the party and am disgusted at how they kneecapped him. And I still respect and like him. I don't give a shit whether he endorses Hillary or not. I'm not following him.

[Luminous Animal]

32. Really. What kind of behavior was displayed?

[Armstead]

43. People saying Dean is wrong, and saying how much they like Bernie

It's shocking. Shocking I tell you.

[Luminous Animal]

56. Whoa! That is horrible! The horribleness of the rabble horribly expressing their horrible opinions.

[Ed Suspicious]

65. I said "Come on Howard Dean. Feel the Bern! Yeah!" Was that really over the top? You guys got

some really soft and delicate feels if it is.

[merrily]

83. Some really soft and delicate feels?

[stevenleser]

26. Jury results: 1-6 to keep, and an irony alert

Alerter was apparently irritated that the linked article referred to Sanders supporters as bullies so they attempted to use the jury system to bully the OP.

But note that it was the linked article saying it, OP poster did not add commentary. That should have precluded any alert or votes to hide.


On Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:14 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Dr. Jane Goodall flamed online after shaking hands with Hillary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251565025

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This post is repeating right wing lies and talking points claiming that "Bernie-Bullies" are harassing people because one person posted a mild comment on celebrity's pubic facebook page. This is a completely sleazy hit piece and doesn't belong on a Democratic site.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:22 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think the alerter doth protest too much. It's a HUFFINGTON POST article--and most of the people over there are Republicans. It's probably GOP posers pretending to be Sanders supporters--not like there are not a lot of those around. Respond to the post or hit HIDE THREAD but don't take this kind of thing to a jury. If someone was calling you stupid, a liar, an asshole, or other names, I'd vote to hide, but this isn't about personal insults or rudeness between DUers. It's about responses to an article at a skeevy website.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Wow? Seriously? This is one of the most useless alerts I have ever seen. Good job, alerter.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Pathetic alert.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Metric System]

31. The alerter clearly didn't read the article or even the comments under the article which provide

further proof of the article's claims.

[virtualobserver]

40. dredging up stuff from July for the "Bernie supporters are bad" meme

very little mention of Bernie there when I actually looked at the comments

[hrmjustin]

41. This is about his supporters, not him.

[virtualobserver]

46. this OP is BS, I read the posts- only 4 mentioned Bernie- none of them were unpleasant

they pointed out differences in Jane Goodall's environmental views and they were not happy with Hillary's view


One post had a picture calling Bernie a dope.

[Cheese Sandwich]

47. I looked back through the comments on Jane Goodall's facebook page. The Huff-Post article lies.

I looked at both her main facebook page, scrolling back to July, and the separate page where the Hillary photo is and it has comments.

There is not any evidence there of "Bullying" by team Bernie or anything like that.

There are some normal facebook comments saying hey support a candidate not another one.

There are some sickening comments too, like you might see on any public web forum, but they aren't connected to Bernie stuff.

Therefore this Huffington blog post is lies.

[merrily]

77. Not a surprise.

[merrily]

101. Really? Because posters on this thread said they read the comments back to July and there is no

bullying.

[hrmjustin]

37. Another bullshit attempt to silence a HRC supporter.

Thry love to target us.

[Ed Suspicious]

66. I love that the frontrunner is the fucking victim. This is disgraceful. Slimy. This is shit-

stirring.

[stevenleser]

223. No, she is not the front runner on DU. That's like saying Obama and his supporters

Can't be bullied on Free Republic.

Hillary and her supporters are the minority here, Sanders and his folks have 85% support here, so it's quite easy for them to engage in bullying behavior if they are so inclined, with the jury system that we have being an enabler. A random sample to seat seven jurors will seat six Bernie supporters on each jury on average.

[zappaman]

30. Sanders supporters hijack threads here as well.

God forbid there's even one thread without a mention of Sanders.
Even one mourning the losses and devastation caused by Katrina.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7094540

[hrmjustin]

38. Your not llowed to post positive stuff about Hillary outside of the HRC room.

And then they feel the need to invade us there.

[Cha]

51. Sorry, you got a hide, Justin, for telling it like it is. You merely told the truth and they can't

handle that. So they HIDE you.

[Bobbie Jo]

54. This is getting ridiculous.

[Cheese Sandwich]

36. This post seems like bullshit and lies.

They claim "Bernie-Bullies" but the only evidence they gave was this comment from a public comment board:

I hope this isn't an indication of who Dr. Jane Goodall will be supporting in the U.S. Presidential election. Please, please take a look at what Bernie Sanders is all about before jumping on board with Hillary Clinton. Bernie is the real deal, genuine, consistent, and always fighting for the average American, what's right and fair, and not tied to big money interests. Hillary Clinton is very much in the pocket of Big Money including oil companies that are threatening the environment and against measures to combat climate change. Bernie Sanders has put addressing climate change at the forefront of his platform, along with fighting income inequality and reforming our political system. #FeeltheBern #Bernie2016

That's actually pretty tame and not bullying at all.

The only other stuff in the article is people complaining about "bullying" with no other evidence.

And that so-called "bullying" was one comment out of thousands on a famous facebook page. The Huff-Post blogger, a Clinton supporter, zoomed in on that one facebook comment trying to gin up a fake story about the "Bernie Bullies".

Dirty campaigning.

[virtualobserver]

48. I wasted my time reading all of the posts....no Bernie supporter was trashing Hillary.........

plenty of Hillary hate from the Republican GMO people who like Jane's stance on GMO's

[Cheese Sandwich]

50. I read them too, back to July.

There is some dumb shit there, but it's not our dumb shit.

The Huffington Post blog piece is just a bunch of lies and bullshit.

[virtualobserver]

52. The reality is, this swarm of unsupported "Bernie supporters are bad"..posts in this thread

based on posts they hadn't read....from July

This is what actual bullying looks like.

[Cheese Sandwich]

55. Mmmmmm.....

To give them the benefit of the doubt, they may believe the Huffington Post blog, especially if they are looking for that theme.

There have been times I read something and believed it, then was shown contrary evidence and had to apologize.

But if people are repeating these kind of lies deliberately, knowing it's false, that's just the worst kind of dirty campaigning.

[virtualobserver]

57. yeah, the heat of the moment

but I have no patience left for this "bad Bernie supporter" meme.

[merrily]

82. NO BERNIE SUPPORTER TRASHED HILLARY? NO BULLYING OF GOODALL? The OP article is bullshit?

Why am I not surprised.

[virtualobserver]

84. the example in the article....

was the 'harshest' post from a Bernie supporter.

I hope this isn't an indication of who Dr. Jane Goodall will be supporting in the U.S. Presidential election. Please, please take a look at what Bernie Sanders is all about before jumping on board with Hillary Clinton. Bernie is the real deal, genuine, consistent, and always fighting for the average American, what's right and fair, and not tied to big money interests. Hillary Clinton is very much in the pocket of Big Money including oil companies that are threatening the environment and against measures to combat climate change. Bernie Sanders has put addressing climate change at the forefront of his platform, along with fighting income inequality and reforming our political system. #FeeltheBern #Bernie2016

Wouldn't you be 'bullied' by that?

[merrily]

85. No. Especially not if I had worked with apes all my life. Or posted in Gd:P for a day.

[Autumn]

92. Oh the horror!!!

I may not be able to continue to support Bernie if his supporters on HuffandPuffpost are that vicious.

[SunSeeker]

73. It's a meme some Bernie supporters themselves perpetuate.

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Like this post in the Bernie Group gleefully (complete with green bouncing booger or whatever that thing is) describing how Howard Dean's Facebook page got hit after he said nice things about Hillary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128045166

And within that thread, a Bernie supporter noted they were "glad" (complete with happy face smilie) that Senator AL Franken got similarly "berned" on his Facebook page after endorsing Hillary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128045166#post5

And yet, when this OP points out a "berning," it gets alerted on. Go figure.

[Bobbie Jo]

106. Total class act, there. nt

[AlbertCat]

159. Let's see....

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One just points out the fact that there was a tsunami of "we support Sanders. It's a disappointment to me you do not Dr. Dean"-like posts


And the other points out the same sorta thing happened to Frankin. Being glad the Sanders supporters support Sanders in spite of the "he can never win" false meme perpetrated by Hillary supporters is not bullying. No one has been forcing anyone to vote either way.

Disagreeing is not bullying. Showing support in spite of contrary endorsements is not bullying.

Apparently, not loving Hillary will all your heart and soul is bullying.... or something.

[SunSeeker]

167. Gleefully trashing Dean on his Facebook page is not merely expressing "disappointment."

That thread egged Sanders supporters on, and they obliged, posting with pride how did added to the attack.

I agree, no one can be forced to vote a certain way. Tell that to the Bernie supporters attacking Dean's Facebook page.

[AlbertCat]

170. How do you attack a FaceBook page?

And I still don't see an "attack"

ATTACK:

1.
to set upon in a forceful, violent, hostile, or aggressive way, with or without a weapon; begin fighting with:
He attacked him with his bare hands.
2.
to begin hostilities against; start an offensive against:
to attack the enemy.
3.
to blame or abuse violently or bitterly.
4.
to direct unfavorable criticism against; criticize severely; argue with strongly:
He attacked his opponent's statement.
5.
to try to destroy, especially with verbal abuse:
to attack the mayor's reputation.


I don't see any "forceful, violent, aggressive, bitter hostilities or abuse" trying to "destroy" Dean. Just a lot of disappointment he's for Hillary. And the criticism doesn't even seem very "severe" or "strong".

Again. disagreeing is not an attack.

[SunSeeker]

174. Ask the Bernie supporters doing it to Dean's page.

Some write snark not meant to "express disappointment" but to mock and accuse Dean, such as this:

Eric Hongisto

Howard, cmon, you can't just say what you really feel? That U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders is the true progressive, like you were in the day? Are you angling for the Sec. Health job or what!!?

Or the lazier ones just post some variant of this:

Henry Stockwell

Sanders/Warren 2016

Wasn't it you who said that you can't force a person to vote a certain way? What is the point of posting "Sanders 2016" on Dean's facebook page, other than as a juvenile attempt to annoy Dean?

[AlbertCat]

175. Still don't see an attack.

Where's the attack?

[frylock]

232. If that's your idea of an attack, you really need to get out more often.

[ericson00]

44. I think its now official: Bernie is a Democratic-ish Ron Paul

in what he motivates people to do online, which translates into blog posts and big rallies, but not leads in most polls and thus votes. I say Democratic-ish because Sanders is an independent "'Democratic' Socialist," not a Democrat.

[virtualobserver]

49. you didn't read the posts

[merrily]

86. A. The OP article is bullshit. See Reply 84, among others. Bernie doesn't motivate his supporters

to do anything bad, either online or IRL. C. Bernie is a Democrat or he could not be running for the Democratic nomination. http://www.democraticunderground.com/128018753 Most Democratic Socialists ARE Democrats. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12806844

Since the invention of google, finding a fact or two to include in a post shouldn't really be that hard.

[onehandle]

45. Shocker. nt

[stevil]

53. hrmjustin got a hide and timeout in this OP, results....

On Tue Sep 1, 2015, 10:45 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Remind me of DU these days. A contingent of Sanders supporters are making DU suck.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=565088

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is the type of crap that is tearing du apart. Enough already

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Sep 1, 2015, 10:57 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Hide...worn out by comments like this regarding Bernie Sanders supporters.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The poster was not abusive and is stating his/her opinion of the types of posts on the political threads. No reason to hide this post.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Broad-brush attack against other DU members.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I agree with the comment.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This kind of comment is what's making DU suck. There are some nasty folks on both "sides" (and I hate it that there even are "sides&quot , but it's a small percentage of the total number of posters, and neither "side" has a monopoly on nastiness. This kind of accusation, which is anything but "the truth" as claimed, just makes it all worse, puts people on the defensive and contributes to a generally cranky mood.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It is people like this poster that is making DU suck. I'm tired of her constantly stirring the shit pot, then claiming she is the victim.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was #5 - I don't post much, but I peruse a lot and hrmjustin is one of the most polite posters here. Not impressed with anyone who abuses the site to score a win for their side.

[Cha]

60. Mahalo stevil.. Justin got a hide for speaking the truth.

[AlbertCat]

177. for speaking the truth.

What?... that he's no saint? Because the rest of that post is BS.... and accusing without a shred of evidence. So...it was deservedly hidden.

Juror # 7 did hit the nail on the head. Applies post # 60 (the one I'm commenting on) as well. Poor poor put upon Hillary supporters!

[Cha]

181. Justin is right.. the "evidence" is all over the board.

[TheFarS1de]

185. And the Jurors were right ..

in giving them a time out . Talk about thinking yourself above reproach . What a pack of snowflakes you come across as .

[Cha]

190. No, the "jurors" were Wrong in Censoring Justin.

[AlbertCat]

188. evidence of what?

that "Sanders supporters are 1000 times worse in their vitriol towards HRC and her supporters."

Please list what shows this. You'll have to compare "vitriol" from BOTH sides to do it.

And seeing as Justin's vitriol is pretty insulting ("1000 time worse!&quot you can start there.



Take your time.... there's lots to go thru. You have to categorize "vitriol" to give it a value so you can get to "1000 times".

[Cha]

191. Yes, the evidence all over the board. Even Hillary's Group where BS Disruptors come into bash

our candidate.

[SwampG8r]

90. Juror 7 nails it

[stevenleser]

141. They bully because they can. That's what happened there. That's how far their "Progressivism" goes

They are happy to silence those who disagree when it suits them.

[AtheistCrusader]

145. Why don't you go have a look at the interfaith group or prayer circle

And see all the people Justin has silenced.

I'm loving the 'herp derp all Bernie sanders fault' bullshit though.

[stevenleser]

146. He can't silence anybody. Only an alerter and 4+ jurors can do that. If he outdebated folks in those

groups, that's not "silencing".

A Bernie supporter alerted his post and 4+ Bernie supporters hid it. That's what happened here. That is bullying and silencing.

[AtheistCrusader]

147. No, he was host of both

And ban hammered the shit out of anyone who dissented even a tiny bit, regardless of whether it was a SOP violation of the group or not.

You can't say people of non-faith are welcome if you insta ban any that make even a non-aggressive, in some cases not even related to religion post.

[Warren Stupidity]

189. I guess we have secret methods and such.

Or perhaps the board is overwhelmingly pro-Sanders, so a random selection of jurors will tend to also be pro-Sanders and more likely to see a broad brush tarring of all Sanders supporters on this board as a ridiculous over the top violation of whatever remains of our "community standards".

[Bobbie Jo]

149. Ok, I gotta ask...

Why on earth would an "AtheistCrusader" want to crash a prayer circle or an interFAITH group??

[AtheistCrusader]

150. Interfaith SOP says faith and non-faith.

Supposedly people like me were welcome. I got 'in trouble' for two conversations, one in which I criticized a gender-segregated religious event that was being fawned over (borderline criticism of religion, got a 30 day ban and refrained from repeat behavior.)

Second time I had the teremity to ask Justin what 'safety' meant to him. It wasn't even related to religion. (It was about the church shooting three months ago).

[Bobbie Jo]

156. Not what I asked, but that's okay.

I asked why an "AtheistCrusader" would want to crash a prayer circle or interfaith group.

I haven't spend any time in either one, but I guess I'm just not getting the "why" of it all.

[AtheistCrusader]

158. I didn't 'crash it' I was supposedly welcome, and I'm not going to play your

Passive-aggressive question-phrasing games. Ta-ta.

[Bobbie Jo]

160. Yep, okay...

I think I get the picture now.

Mystery no longer.

[AtheistCrusader]

161. Your question reveals the conclusion you came to before you even asked it.

Not fooling anyone.

[Bobbie Jo]

162. lol

I see why things ended the way they did.

Apparently, you didn't fool anyone either.

[AtheistCrusader]

163. I can be blunt. Sure.

Not why I was banned though. Not why all the other atheists were banned and the group is an empty echo chamber now.

[AlbertCat]

182. would want to crash a prayer circle or interfaith group.

Perhaps to see what they are saying about atheists? Maybe?

Religious people go on the Atheist board all the time. In Religion, many a post all about atheists is posted.


And it is hard to "crash" a group that says the faithful AND the non faithful are welcome.

[Bobbie Jo]

193. Do you have a thing for me tonight?

That's the third fucking post of mine tonight that you've responded to with some kind of nonsense rambling.

Get lost.

[rug]

217. I see you were blocked from both groups as well. I can't imagine why.

[rug]

216. Ah, so this is personal. I see you were blocked from both groups.

[AtheistCrusader]

219. Right. Want to point out something I didn't already tell everyone in this thread?

Quit wasting electrons.

[Bobbie Jo]

148. Mob behavior is facinating, no? nt

[AlbertCat]

183. Mob behavior is facinating, no?

Yes it is.... but where's a mob?


Victim whining can be fascinating too.... especially when it's absurd.

Also, cults of personality are interesting as well..... especially when compared and contrasted with overt religiosity.

[Bobbie Jo]

192. WTF are you on about??

[stevenleser]

198. It is. Watching this unfold is something else.

Folks who are telling me they support someone because he is finally the progressive they have been waiting for cannot deal with debate about him so they opt to silence folks using the jury system.

Then they turn around and tell us we're not progressive enough.

[passiveporcupine]

231. where was the "debate" about Bernie offered in this thread?

Are you sure you are reading the same thread I am?

[AlbertCat]

178. Who are this "they"?

Random selected juries?

[stevenleser]

199. Yeah um when you get to 85% of a population having a particular characteristic, a random sample of seven of the population

Will have six (5.95 to be precise but that's close enough to 6) of those seven folks have that characteristic

[Bobbie Jo]

96. LOL!

Juror #7 was confused, Justin is a HE.

Nailed it? Hardly...

[AlbertCat]

184. Justin is a HE.

Well, when one whines all the time....


But of course his gender is beside the point.... so what's so funny?


Grasping at anything, relevant or not relevant....

[rug]

218. "Well, when one whines all the time.... "

Do you have any other misogynist thoughts you want to share?

[rug]

215. That comment was wrong from top to bottom, starting with his gender.

[seabeyond]

91. not breaking any rule, but a sanders supporter just tired of this discussion, so hide.

there is that good ole fair and balanced

[merrily]

99. Hideable or not, the idea that about 85% of DU posters make DU suck could stand examination.

People who want a board where Hillary's supporters are in the majority can post on one, instead of complaining about this one.

[seabeyond]

100. who cares if it is hideable or not. sanders people rule du so suck it up or go elsewhere?

[merrily]

102. I'm not the one saying Hillary supporters suck. He's the one saying Bernie's supporters suck.

Again, the claim that 85% of this board's posters are what makes this board suck could use examination. I can't help you if you can't get that.

And, yes, if someone wants a board where Hillary's supporters are in the majority, they can post on one. What part of that is false, ore even open to debate? Sorry you don't seem to get that either. Seems self evident to me.

[seabeyond]

107. i will stand by my reply, per what you said. nt

[merrily]

110. I would not underscore that, if I were you, but whatever.

[seabeyond]

112. my point, people that know better, ignore the fact that following the rules is not the discussion.

it is that 80% on the board are pro sanders. and they vote from that position. at least a couple verbally stated that they did not like the fact this member was talking negatively, his experience on du with sanders supporters. and why not. most of us have seen this poster verbally atttacked and mobbed. valid position on an OP with htis very conversation. so what do at least TWO of these people do? take advantage of a momentary power to shut the person up

that is an issue to me.

i find it interesting, with this OP, the discussion, a perfect example of why nationwide, we are looking twice at sanders supporters.

[seabeyond]

114. conclusion. hence, not only keeping him off this thread, but by a concerted effort, getting this

member 5 of those very hides (a poster that in the past NEVER NEVER got hides) 5 hides and kicked off du. shut up almost totally. i prefer going pms with my many kick offs, i do not apologize for. i talk to ALL kinds of people. about 98% very positive and informative. learning lots and able to share info.

some tell me to shut up. that works for me.

but... this poster, and too many of our longtime posters have literally been kicked off du because this board is mostly sanders supporters

there cannot be an honest sander supporter that does not recognize and at least internally, cringe.

[merrily]

115. Again the OP article is bullshit. See Replies on this thread listed in my reply 104.

Maybe people of good faith should be looking at the kind of people who generate and spread and rec that kind of bullshit.

[seabeyond]

118. you totally ignored our reality on du. it is like the man having an affair. the woman sees

and he says, do not believe your lyin eyes, look at post 104

the smart wife says.... ya, whatever.

[merrily]

119. Your perceptions do not necessarily equal reality, at least not anything I consider reality.

Your logic often escapes me, too.

Doesn't seem to be much point to these exchanges either. You even found fault with a statement as innocuous and self evident as "Someone who wants to post on board where Hillary supporters are in the majority can post on one. " While bashing Bernie's supporters, no less. And you bring up the OP as a reason to diss Bernie supporters, but claim my pointing out that the OP is bullshit means I'm like a a man having an affair.

Whatever.

I'm out. Enjoy your day.

[seabeyond]

121. look. we have an example in this thread. i laid it out. i am done.

[merrily]

122. Yep. In this thread, we have an example of bullshit that people spread about Bernie's supporters.

[AtheistCrusader]

154. Justin attacked people. Why is that hard to understand.

If it had been a DLC vs. Progressive issue, and Justin called out Progressives for 'making DU suck', one could expect the same outcome from a jury.

It's not necessarily about 'Hillary is evil' or whatever.

Hillary has some blue-dog-democrat like qualities, sanders is hyper-progressive. Both still Democrats, and both are better than the alternative.

If sanders supporters were only saying negative things about Hillary, and Hillary supporters only saying positive things about Hillary and remaining silent on sanders, you might have a point. Problem is, both sides have elements slagging the other. Gonna cause friction.

If you vent about that by attacking the supporters of one side or the other, don't feign innocence when a jury drives a truck through the post.

[stevenleser]

152. I disagree. 85% of DI posters make DI suck. Same concept. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

180. Oh that's brilliant steve.

You just equated bernie supporters to rightwing loons. That should help.

[stevenleser]

197. justin and bravenaks silencing is pretty reich wing don't you think?

And yes it's Bernie supporters. They are 85% of DU at this point and almost certainly control 99% if not 100% of jury decisions as a result.

See my #199 above.

and yes I and other Hillary supporters fully expect to get posts hidden from now on for no other reason than we annoyed Bernie supporters.

[Warren Stupidity]

210. so are you saying we are all "reich wing" - a bunch of nazis?

[stevenleser]

212. If you participated in their getting a timeout or condone it you are engaging in right wing behavior

That's what I'm saying

[Warren Stupidity]

213. How exactly does one "participate" such that

doing so puts one in the nazi category?

[antiquie]

230. ~

[HappyPlace]

221. Ya know what's RW behavior? Voting for wars, outsourcing, fossil fuels.

eom

[truebrit71]

220. It couldn't possibly be because you're just...

...a bunch of whiners right? So disagreeing with the Hillary coronation makes a person "Reich wing"...Right, it's Bernie supporters that are the problem....

Sorry, but who here goes on Fox spews to be used as a punching bag?

Both of those people got booted for not following the rules. Are we all supposed to go Kim Davis on rules we don't like, or is that just for Hillary fans?

[stevenleser]

224. All that flailing you are doing doesnt change the facts. Bernie folks are using the jury to silence

people.

You can raise all the red herrings you want, it won't change that fact.

[truebrit71]

225. And no Hillary fan has EVER done that, right?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....keep on flailing pal....

[randys1]

226. I will be honest, each day I fire up DU and I dont see an announcement that the owner of DU

or admins have dispensed of the jury system for the obvious necessary reason, I am stunned, or shaking my head.

[Scootaloo]

229. When I see posts hidden "Because they support clinton" I'll buy your line

HRMJustin got his hide because he engaged in a baseless broad-brush smear against DU'ers - I've gotten hides for that myself, it's not a conspiracy, it's community standards.

And to the best of my knowledge, Bravenak doesn't support Clinton in the least.

Me, I've gotten hides for posting an image of body art, for taking to task a person who was literally defending Hitler (apparently I was "uncivil&quot and many other frankly silly things. You learn to live with it.

[AtheistCrusader]

144. .

[Metric System]

166. I stand with Justin.

[Bobbie Jo]

58. WTF is wrong with these people?

As I said upthread, this is getting ridiculous.

Seriously.

[BainsBane]

71. Did you see the OP?

about the poster who unsubscribed to emails from Bernie?

[Bobbie Jo]

76. That was just bizarre. nt

[seabeyond]

97. i didnt read it. nt

[Control-Z]

169. I missed it. Could you link me to it please? n/t

[BainsBane]

171. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251563531

Someone else told me they got the same message when they unsubscribed.

[seabeyond]

173. i havent done it yet. but i too am gonna unsubscribe to see if i get the 'joke' too. nt

[seabeyond]

172. it was interesting. funny, too i thought. i see the joke. ha ha. i also see the political move

by sanders that sanders supporters assures me he does not do. you know. like addressing mostly the dmeocratic base that is getting these emails, that if they dare not support him, then it makes the kock supporters. ha ha hah. funny, right? so the non democrat, the independent, that wants the democratic base (i am not buying that one either), is dissing dems.... as a joke. it is an interesting move. one that i think he has misstepped more than once.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=563531

[stevenleser]

200. Many of them accused Obama supporters of being a cult but the support of Bernie much more resembles

a cult.

You have folks who supposedly are on the progressive left and should be for speech and letting people have their opinions instead using the jury system to silence people.

You have those same folks suddenly be against vigorous protest by a discriminated against minority whose members are being killed by police. But suddenly the protesters are the enemy for protesting the object of worship of the cult. These folks would be on the protesters side in every other possible scenario.

And we're just getting started.

[MannyGoldstein]

62. Dian Fossey would have been a Sandernista nt.

[ibegurpard]

63. Yes I heard she was very mean

[betsuni]

89. And the punchline is: Guerrillas in the Mist.

I guess.

[morningfog]

87. Holy shit! It's almost like there's a primary and people

are posting on the internet.

[merrily]

98. Yeah, like that and one them wrote a bullshit piece for Huffpo and someone posted it at the top of

this thread. Just like that.

[seabeyond]

94. ya, first, justins hide and kick off du is an example. a couple of the jurors are simply TIRED of

hearing this conversation, so shut up with a hide. and off the board one goes. 80% of du is sanders supporters. and they are tired of any conversation that does not shine a pretty lite, so hide that damn post.

[seabeyond]

95. second, talking to 22 yr old niece other day. she has friends sanders supporter. i was laying out

the primary race hence far, and at a point saying the advantages to each of the candidates i said, then we have the sanders supporters that are fuckin things up. she was getting a smile before i even finished what i have to say. not on du. .... but she does read a lot of net. she too is well aware of the behavior and she had no qualm owning it. nor does my 17 first time voting, sanders supporting son.

i can tel them it will backfire but they will not believe me. may be one of those lessons learned.

[merrily]

104. See Replies 36, 48, 50, 52 and 84 on this thread. The OP article is bullshit.

That did not stop anyone from posting more bullshit on this thread without bothering to check if the OP article was true or not, though.

[seabeyond]

108. that really has little to nothing to do with my comment. nt

[merrily]

109. Actually, it does and I don't much care if doesn't. Your reply has zero to do with my comment.

I can certainly understand why you'd want to ignore the fact that the OP article is bullshit, though.

[beam me up scottie]

187. Or maybe DUers are sick of it from both sides-that's why they hide posts from Bernie supporters too.

[Warren Stupidity]

209. no that never happens and no prominent bernie supporters have been pprd either.

it is all a giant conspiracy. Nothing to do with incivility at all.

[beam me up scottie]

211. It's rediculous!!!

All those folks were perfect angels, it's all a plot to overthrow DU and assimilate HC supporters.

Resistance is futile.

[SidDithers]

143. DU rec...nt

Sid

[Amimnoch]

151. K&R!!

[postatomic]

157. Just a few of the comments............

Angel and demon. That's what I see.

I hope Jane washed her hands after that handshake

Clinton is a cancer to the USA we need her in prison

I would spit in clintons face before I let that animal touch me

PLEASE DR. Goodall PLEASE, do NOT get on the Hillary bandwagon. Please consider Sanders or another independent candidate if you do choose to publicly endorse someone... Hillary is NOT a good choice for this country or for the globe. Her financial backers include Goldman Sachs and Monsanto, etc... she is not to be trusted.

I wouldn't shake hands with Hillary Clinton. She's pro GMO's and pro death.

Two different women with two different mission. One to make world a compassionate place and another one to make war to maintain america's domination.

A wonderful soul shakes hands with the devil. Ew

A genius and a monster

Nooo, don't shake frankenfood Hillary's hand Dr. Jane! Ick


Now I don't know the political leanings of all the people who wrote these horrible things. There's the Rub. It could be a republican or it could be a Sanders supporter. Also; why shit on Dr. Goodalls' facebook page?

[Armstead]

164. There's the rub indeed

Some of those have the definite look and wording of right wing Republicans.

And some look like environmental zealots, regardless of who they might be supporting.

What is offensive about the article and OP is that it is just using one of the messier aspects of the public discourse to imply that Sanders supporters are all abusive monsters.

[postatomic]

165. I just made an observation

What conclusions may or may not be made are up to the individual. You are certainly free to make the assumption that this is an attack on Sanders supporters. I'm not 100% supportive of this contention given the attacks on Dean, Franken, et al. by Sanders supporters. My position is definitely tainted by this.

[AlbertCat]

186. My position is definitely tainted by this.

Well, how many Sanders support Facebook pages have you been to?

Will you also be adjusting your position on other FaceBook pages, or do the candidates themselves have anything to do with it?

[postatomic]

196. I have very limited Facebook activity

Small and personal only. No politics.

[Vattel]

195. More ugly lies about Sanders supporters.

[riversedge]

203. Sorry to see Dr Goodall -and by extention -her work was used to score

a political point. This is wrong-for all stripes to do this.

[BooScout]

208. This is a great example...

Of folks who have no idea what they are talking about ganging up on and bullying people. Very sad.

[apnu]

214. Yeah the Internet... full of assholes.

Doesn't matter where we go, assholes will be found.

[frylock]

233. Remember when Sanders supporters booed Hillary, and on her birthday no less?

Bernie Gets Booed Before Fans Sing HAPPY BDAY

In the space of 2 minutes, Bernie is booed by, what appears to be, supporters from rival campaigns; before being greeted by a throng of hundreds of supporters, who sang HAPPY BIRTHDAY to him. Bernie's birthday is today and this was recorded yesterday at the Milford, NH Labor Day parade.

As for who was doing the "booing" I have no idea (while I shot the footage, I was way to busy framing Bernie as he walked and I walked backwards). But the only people around him were supporters from several campaigns who were lining up for the parade.