Dinner with some good friends who happen to be republicans...

[peacebird]

Topic of the r clown car came up, and they were mortified by all candidates except for Trump. Then came the shocker. They hope it comes down to Trump & Sanders in the general, and said "a pox on both parties" but that they would be happy with either Trump or Sanders winning the Presidency.
If another member of the clown car gets the R nod, and Bernie got the D then they would vote Bernie.
Very odd times indeed.

[dhol82]

1. Did they have any rational reason for supporting Trump?

The man is just a blathering buffoon of argle-bargle

[peacebird]

3. I agree, but they think he's the sanest of the clown car and they are sick of 'religious' politicos

[dhol82]

4. Well, there's a reason to vote for somebody

He's the sanest one in the asylum.

[Human101948]

7. One Fool Over the Cuckoo's Nest!

He's McMurphy and Lindsey Graham is Nurse Rachet.

Any other characters in the Clown Car Cast?

[dhol82]

8. Excellent! :)

[tclambert]

24. JEB as Billy Bibbitt.

Huckleby as Charles Cheswick. Carson as Dr. Spivey.

[Human101948]

38. Yes, Jebby, do you want us to tell your mother?

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[Armstead]

5. I tthink even Republicans get tired of the sanctamoniousness

I mean Ted Croooooooze with his quavery sincerity and most of the others have that trait. Maybe Kassac escapes that somewhat, but even he talks a lot about his "faith."

The Trumpster pays lip service (I love the Bible so much. It's a great book) but he's such an obvious phony about that it's almost refreshing in its obviousness. Kind of wink,wink.

[cantbeserious]

2. Disgust With Establishment Party Politics Is Rampant

eom

[99Forever]

6. +100,000,000,000,000,000,000

[840high]

26. Yes it is.

[bigwillq]

31. Yup

The two party system has ruined politics.

[Evergreen Emerald]

43. But, Sanders is the establishment!

He has been part of the establishment for decades.

[druidity33]

52. If you say so...

[Evergreen Emerald]

68. How is he not the establishment?

Unlike Trump, he has been in the congress for years.

[procon]

9. That's sort of demoralizing to think that anyone could view them the same way

I just don't know how to parse the kind of thought process what believes Trump and Sanders are two peas in a pod. That would make them both 'tremendously' qualified and equally worthy of being president. That's just so wrong.

[seaglass]

10. No need to parse anything, they are just dumb. n/t

[vlyons]

15. It's all emotional

They don't use logic or reason to decide what they like and don't like. They go on "personality." Who has the bigger personality. They are ruled by emotions that they can't understand, much less control. I blame it on the piss-poor education in our country. Our schools no longer teach critical thinking, logical analysis, much less ethics. All day, every day, the mass media teaches greed, envy, and that money grubbing is the highest of all virtues.

[erronis]

17. And it's also based on "buy in". They've been drinking elephant koolaid so long

They can't admit that something is rotten in their kingdom. And imagine their nice little social groups at the country club or poker table - it'd be like coming out (from under a rock.)

[ShrimpPoboy]

33. They're similar

in that they seem to be saying what they actually believe. Although with Trump it feels that way because it's hard to think that anyone would say what he does unless they believed it.

[Skittles]

51. dup

[Bubzer]

56. I think you should re read post 9. It's not saying what you seem to think it is.

[MerryBlooms]

59. *hic... Jury results...

On Fri Sep 4, 2015, 05:27 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

dup
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=571061

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"seriously, try to imagine how ignorant you'd have to be to actually want one of those guys being PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES......seriously, WTF" Can we not do the broad brush attacks please? A lot of DU members are Bernie supporters... Skittles is calling them ignorant.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Sep 4, 2015, 05:42 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: After googling 'dup', I still have no idea what Skittles meant or how the alerter gleaned their "WTF" opinion and found 'dup' worthy of an alert.

I've had wine, so that may be playing a part here... Maybe Skittles has also had wine... now that would explain the whole thing.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: this alert utterly confuses me. I can't figure out what else it is beside alert stalking
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: the post has been changed to "dup"
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Skittles is a Bernie Supporter. Also, the alerted post only says "dup". I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to be judging on here. Nothing in the post is alertable.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Hepburn]

11. That is what I am hearing, too

It's Bernie or The Donald...also people are totally fed up with the appeals to the RR nuts. Most people are worried about jobs, the economy -- abortion, gay marriage, etc., are waaaaaaaaaaaay down on their list of priorities.

Repukes that I know really like Bernie, most (thank gawd) are not on the anti-immigrant bandwagon of Trump...so with the Repukes in my group of friends, Bernie is the choice. Most are totally underwhelmed by the rest of the clowns in the car.

Yeah, I also think most of us are totally fed up with the corporate owned politicians, too, and that accounts a great deal for the Bernie/Trump choices. However, I am totally in for Bernie because he represents the thoughts and political positions which I have held during my life.

[peacebird]

18. Me too...

[SecularMotion]

12. I guess if they consider Bernie Sanders a "pox on the party"

they must see Hillary Clinton as the ideal Democratic candidate.

[peacebird]

19. Actually they despise all things Clinton with a white hot rage...

Even tho they want to see a woman president, just not Hillary.

[SecularMotion]

21. Of course, republicans would despise the Democratic Party front runner.

[peacebird]

44. They didn't despise Obama. But even in 08 they hated Hillary.

Sorry to pop your bubble

[truebluegreen]

20. Reading comprehesion is key.

[SecularMotion]

23. Did they not say that a Sanders nomination would be a pox on the Democratic party?

They hope it comes down to Trump & Sanders in the general, and said "a pox on both parties"

[truebluegreen]

25. If they are HOPING it comes down to Trump and Sanders,

and say "a pox on both parties", then clearly they view both parties (business as usual, I assume) as the problem. Not the "outsiders." So no, that wouldn't make Hillary their candidate. As the rest of the post(s) by peacebird bears out.

"...they would be happy with either Trump or Sanders winning the Presidency."

[SecularMotion]

36. Exactly, they view both Trump and Sanders as extremists.

[truebluegreen]

41. Funny how you put words in their mouths.

I don't think "outsider" = "extremist" in their view, especially since they seem to regard it as a GOOD thing and people, particularly Republicans, rarely label themselves as such.

Maybe in HillaryWorld.

[Sunlei]

13. what happens when Trump quits?Rs will vote for the one who Trump says is his BF-->"fillintheblank"

quits or loses the republican primary.

[kacekwl]

14. I'm sorry but

just the fact they would consider Trump is cause to stick them with the check.

[ananda]

16. They, like all of us, just want somebody ..

.. outside the establishment and the beltway.

Sanders is the most rational of these, and Trump
the most irrational.

Why anyone in their right mind would vote for Trump
is beyond me, though I guess that makes the case that
no Republican is truly in their right mind.

I really hope Sanders is the choice of the majority of
Americans and wins the presidency... a good outcome
for all concerned.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

22. Well of course

They want Trump. They know that America will not vote for any candidate that calls himself socialist. Period.

Therefore Trump vs. Sanders is the matchup they're looking for.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. I wonder who those many thousands of people are

who are attending Bernie's rallies and working for and donating to his campaign? They must not be Americans.

[truebluegreen]

29. I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Not in the political arena anyway. The generation and mindset that would be put off by that label would not vote for Democrats anyway. They've been shrieking that Obama is a socialist for 7 years now and yet he was elected twice.

[redstateblues]

35. Obama didn't say he was a socialist.

Bernie did. Big difference

[truebluegreen]

42. Um, no.

He calls himself a democratic socialist. I thought it was conservatives who didn't do nuance, and they wouldn't vote for Bernie or any Democrat anyway.

[peacebird]

45. Democratic Socialist.

[Romulox]

30. SOSHIALISTS!!!!! nt

[Fawke Em]

34. You need to change your signature to:

C.D. Proud Member of the Conventional Wisdom Community

[ConservativeDemocrat]

37. In U.S., Socialist Presidential Candidates are the Least Appealing

It even beats out atheists in terms of unelectability.


Sorry, but Bernie simply cannot win the Presidency. All he can do is throw it to the Republicans.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[mhatrw]

60. It's just a label.

Don't like socialism? Get off the road!

[ConservativeDemocrat]

64. Labels are important in politics

Especially when it comes from the mouth of the candidate himself.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[teach me everything]

65. I'm noticing the date of the poll.

June 2-7, 2015..

Touting a 3 month old poll?

Call Gallup and ask them to poll the same question - and you'd be surprised on the number change.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

67. This isn't about a specific candidate

It's a poll about attitudes about what candidate characteristics are acceptable. Such attitudes can change, but don't bounce up and down depending on candidate interviews and polls.

Many supporters of Senator Sanders are exhibiting glee over Republican smears on Hillary, some of them even echoing them. What they miss is that their hands-off approach to Sanders would immediately come off, if Democrats made the mistake of electing him. It would be wall to wall ads comparing "Socialist" Sanders to Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot. And while the DU would be overwhelmingly outraged, writing screed after screed to the faithful, you can see very clearly that we'd end up with a President Trump or President Carson.

Hillary, meanwhile, is holding her own, despite every piece of lying shit the GOP has been flinging at her. It's not as easy as it looks.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[Cleita]

28. I've heard the same from Rebub acquaintances. They don't like the other

Klown Kar candidates but like Trump. When I question them as to why it's because they like his ideas (racism anybody?) and because he's a straight shooter.



This country is damned.

[HERVEPA]

32. Has to be said. Your friends are idiots.

[peacebird]

46. They are good people who have a different perspective than mine. Not idiots, but perhaps

low information voters is more accurate.

[Yallow]

57. Not Idiots

Traitor bigots.

They know they are evil, and they just don't care.

[peacebird]

58. You are totally wrong. They are good, kind people. There ARE repubs who are good people

They believe the cures for our country are different than we do, this does not make them evil.

[HERVEPA]

66. They support a man who has said outrageous and heinous things about Mexicans in this country.

And Sanders and Trump are pretty much total oppoosites.
Sorry, they're idiots.

[zentrum]

39. Interesting but….

…..Trump is the main clown. Not clear on what kind of thinking is going into not being "mortified" by him.

[ncjustice80]

40. Ugh, I don't think I could have dinner with a Rethuglican lol.

Kudos to you, maybe they'll see the error of their ways and join the right side of history one day.

[Skittles]

47. I could not be friends with people that stupid

nope

[peacebird]

48. They are not stupid. They are good people who view the way forward differently than I do.

They still believe the free market works for people. I disagree.

[peacebird]

50. I believe strongly that Bernie Sanders IS suitable, & preferable, to be President.

[Skittles]

53. dup

[Bubzer]

55. So everyone here on DU who supports Bernie is Pathetic?

I think that's a bit extreme.

[Bubzer]

54. I think the insults are kinda uncalled for.

There are certainly ways you can say how you feel without making it personal.

[SheilaT]

61. I finds it rather disturbing that they don't seem to see any sort of difference

between Trump and Sanders.

[peacebird]

62. Agreed, they see both as people who are coming with solutions different then the parties offer

That is the only answer I can offer

[Jo Neez]

63. Very odd times indeed.