2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders fires back at Clinton's subtle dig
"I think you can come with your own ideas and you can wave your arms and give a speech, Clinton told NBC's Andrea Mitchell, referring to both Sanders and Donald Trump. "But are you connecting with and really hearing what people are either saying to you or wishing that you would say to them?...
Bernie is doing more than attracting large crowds, the spokesman said. He has a concrete set of proposals to take on the billionaire class and rebuild the disappearing middle class. Thats what people are responding to.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/252809-sanders-fires-back-at-clinton-over-subtle-dig
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)And the media is hilarious with their "fires back" narrative. Hillary and Bernie are running classy campaigns, but the media wants a fight.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)She needs a distraction and she needs to look tough. Expect her campaign to ratchet it up.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)that is always helpful when woman runs for office! Pretty much the female version of the proverbial "Angry Black man". Watch the indignation on this thread about that "subtle dig" (even by the OP writers standards apparently). Suddenly that turns into she is cruising for a fight! Hyperbolic nonsense. As if Bernie has not said anything at all about her campaign yet! But but but...no one accused Bernie of "just wanting to start a fight" when it happened!
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)she will have to sling mud at some point. She is a skillful politician. Ultimately she will not have any need for a classy campaign, no one will and whoever tries to remain classy will lose.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)You are damned right she is a skilled politician......that is why she ISN'T playing into YOUR hands. You are not a supporter....you do not want her to pick fights because it would be good for HER! You are not her best advisor dude...just sayin'!
What YOU want her to do....is NOT in her best interests....lest you think no one notices that!
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)If sexism is going to be the answer to every dust up then I have another reason not to vote for her
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Paraphrasing Clintons point, Maddow said, Listen, I talk like a president, I talk like somebody at the highest levels of government because I have operated at the highest levels of government. The reason I dont rail and insult people and move people in an emotional way is because Im speaking precisely and that should be seen as feature, not a bug.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rachel-maddow-defends-hillary-on-authenticity-issue-she-talks-like-a-president/ via Mediaite
msrizzo
(796 posts)He's the one that goes around insulting people. And he does all those dumb little things with his hand. And he's the one that gets accused of not being presidential.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)she is running her own race....pacing herself....she is paying no attention to any of their bluster!
jfern
(5,204 posts)There was a lot of cries of sexism in the 2008 primary.
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)Now you're saying she wants a fight? Do you have any proof to back that statement up? Seems like they're both doing their own thing and keeping it classy.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)We are Borg? I didn't know I said Hillary is afraid of Bernie. I must be getting old or spending too much time on DU. I don't recall saying that.
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)door, I heard it say, "Resistance is futile!"
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)I bought a house that has one...
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)At least you haven't been assimilated, right? I haven't noticed a change in tone of your posts.
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)Sent here to negotiate the defeat of oligarchy and institution of social democracy in America!
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)You Guys and I'll change mine to Your Friends.
That should cover most of the posts
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)they change that like dust in the wind!
But here is what Rachel Maddow says...
Paraphrasing Clintons point, Maddow said, Listen, I talk like a president, I talk like somebody at the highest levels of government because I have operated at the highest levels of government. The reason I dont rail and insult people and move people in an emotional way is because Im speaking precisely and that should be seen as feature, not a bug.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rachel-maddow-defends-hillary-on-authenticity-issue-she-talks-like-a-president/ via Mediaite
Much to their disappointment...she is running HER race...pacing herself.....she is very very smart. And she has one of the best political strategists of all time are her side! (Not to mention MOST of Barack Obama's election team!).
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I have posted OP after OP here discussing issues but never get more than one Clinton supporter to enter the discussion.
The 99% paid with their lives, their wounds, their PTSD's, and their pocketbooks because of the Iraq War. A decision that she should be held accountable for. And all the while the 99% were suffering, the 1% were profiting. H. Clinton makes no bones about her close connections with the 1% (her and her husband with over $100,000,000 wealth are in the 1%) and her connections with Wall Street banksters that have been looting the 99% for decades.
We desperately need a change from the Oligarch control and their puppets.
And another thing, Sen Sanders is building a grassroots campaign with money from small donations. The epitome of a democracy and the foundation of the Democratic Party. H. Clinton is using special interest money to try to buy the WH. Not very democratic nor Democratic.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)So why would they even bother?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)to have a discussion about the dangers of fracking that her supporters apparently love but are afraid to step forward and defend.
Fracking is ruining billions of gallons of drinking water. But it makes big profits for oil companies and I guess (have to guess because none of Clinton's supporters will discuss) that profits of oil companies are more important than drinking water for the peons.
Clinton supporters, other than a couple, do not speak to issues.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)People support candidates it doesn't always make sense why they do it but they certainly have that choice... and honestly don't owe anyone an explanation why.
It's their vote, their choice.
A whole heck of a lot of people on DU aren't discussing issues, and that's true on both sides.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)friends. Why would people support her if they were embarrassed to stick up for her stands?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)teach me everything
(91 posts)Many will call me sexist if I'm questioning Clinton. I'm just trying to learn what made them interested in Clinton.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)It means Rachel was more or less repeating Hillary's own words and not an endorsement.
If Hillary had told herself that, and listened, back in '08 she may even have been President today. Then we would have candidate Obama against candidate Bernie today. But she had to get down into the dirt instead and the public turned against her. I bet she gets back down there again, this was probably just a feeler to see how it went. I don't think she can help herself.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)But asked about why voters find Biden and challenger Bernie Sanders more authentic than Clinton, the former secretary of state seemed to take subtle dig at Sanders. "I started out listening because I think you can come with your own ideas and you can wave your arms and give a speech, but at the end of the day, are you connecting with and really hearing?" she said.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Lots of issues, lots of details.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/
BERNIE SANDERS
On the Issues
The American people must make a fundamental decision. Do we continue the 40-year decline of our middle class and the growing gap between the very rich and everyone else, or do we fight for a progressive economic agenda that creates jobs, raises wages, protects the environment and provides health care for all? Are we prepared to take on the enormous economic and political power of the billionaire class, or do we continue to slide into economic and political oligarchy? These are the most important questions of our time, and how we answer them will determine the future of our country.
INCOME AND WEALTH INEQUALITY
GETTING BIG MONEY OUT OF POLITICS
CREATING DECENT PAYING JOBS
RACIAL JUSTICE
FIGHTING FOR WOMENS RIGHTS
A FAIR AND HUMANE IMMIGRATION POLICY
A LIVING WAGE
REAL FAMILY VALUES
CLIMATE CHANGE & ENVIRONMENT
REFORMING WALL STREET
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)Just some "key actions" he's done in the past, and very few key actions at that. Looking for policy wonk papers.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Clinton is the one that seems to be hiding from stating where she stands and from debates.
Too bad about her dig at Sanders. His response was classy.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)website to read her positions.
First, it paywalls you to put in your email address to even go in. If you figure out the right place to click to get passed that one, then it pops up and asks you to donate.
Look, I'm all for gathering emails and asking folks to donate, but it shouldn't be in lieu of reading her policy positions (which aren't any more or less detailed than Sanders' page. Most voters aren't policy wonks and just want a general overview). Why can't one just get on her website?
evlbstrd
(11,205 posts)There are very specific policy proposals for each issue.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)him, thereby, refusing to work with him.
All those feel-good bullet-points will need congressional help, but they will never materialize with a Congress full of obstructionist Republicans and Democrats Bernie Sanders has pretty much disrespected in this 25 years.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)No pay for, no Congressional strategy. So do you think it's crap too?
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Or were you totally bewildered by the erroneous autocorrect?
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)How about you remember that before getting upset when someone points out your errors? That would be the more mature thing to do. So, me, bewildered? Nah. I'm not planning on voting for Bernie Sanders so my head's on pretty straight.
And, again, must I remind you that Hillary Clinton enjoys the endorsement of the vast majority of congressional Democrats while Bernie Sanders enjoys NONE? ZERO. ZILCH. If anyone can get that or any plan through that needs congressional votes, it will be Hillary Clinton. Bernie can't even get a single Democrat in Congress to say they support him. But you keep "feeling the Bern" if that helps you sleep at night.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Hey, who's got the majority in Congress? And who's going to have the majority in the House until at least 2022 thanks to gerrymandering and DLC midterm strategy?
It isn't the Democrats.
Also, who's managed to pass more amendments and bills through this Congress than any other Democrat? The one utterly controlled by Republicans? Why, it's Sanders.
Wonder if he can get bills through Congress.....
Great. Where is it?
Also, where does that $10B in spending come from? 'Cause she kinda skipped over that. Since "it's not paid for" was critical for attacking Sanders (despite him actually explaining how he'd pay for it), then clearly Clinton wouldn't repeat the same mistake and come out with a plan that isn't paid for.
Clinton's notorious for having an "enemies list". Sanders is notorious for forgiving damn near anything. What's the incentive to endorse Sanders now? He'll forgive when you endorse later. She won't.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Hey, who got bills through despite that? That's right. Obama. And he doesn't even have the clout that the Clintons do among Democrats. But he's a helluva lot more politically savvy than Bernie Sanders.
How many bills has he sponsored? Not co-sponsored, but sponsored. 300. And of that number, how many became law? THREE - two of which were renaming post offices. Wow. Big wow.
Co-sponsoring is easy-breezy. Adding amendments, no big deal. Sponsoring bills and finding co-sponsors to boost the likelihood of them passing, however, is where we separate the wheat from the chaff. Sanders has been in Congress for, what? Twenty-FIVE years? His legislative accomplishments over 25 years are incredibly poor. Well, he is a consistent voter against anything that has to do with sensible gun laws, like the the Brady Bill, for example.
DUH. She ain't president yet. Slipped your mind?
Yes, she is. She's a fighter, and in this political climate, that's what we need: a fighter not a lover. Thanks for pointing that out and for underscoring that Hillary Clinton, not Bernie Sanders, will "get'r done" i order to move this country forward. Much appreciated.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Actually, Sanders got more through Congress than either Obama or Clinton. Congress.gov can be handy.
Now, he has the advantage of being on the veteran's affairs committee, so he is pushing bills that help veterans, which Republicans generally like. But he still got more through.
And what's the number for Clinton?
Actually, it is a big deal, because you're usurping someone else's bill.
So she doesn't have to explain how she pays for it until after the election?
Why does that standard not apply to anyone other than Clinton?
Except the people on her enemies list are not Republicans. So she's fighting her own party for not being sufficiently loyal to Clinton. Just ask Claire McCaskill. Her re-election bid was famously snubbed by the Clintons. Which is why McCaskill was one of the first dogwhistles. Gotta get back on Clinton's good side or she'll be snubbed again.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)I already addressed that in my previous post, but you choose to ignore it. Fine. But sponsoring 300 bills with only having THREE pass into law - of which TWO were renaming post offices and one was on the coattails of John McCain - makes for a POOR legislative record for twenty-five years, to me and any other reasonable American.
I asked first. By the way, you're hopefully keeping in mind that Hillary Clinton was in Congress for only eight years. Bernie Sanders has been in Congress three times longer.
Really? His amendment to the health care reform bill usurped it? On what planet? Get real, jeff.
Why does that standard not apply to anyone other than Clinton?
But it does. Did Sanders explain how he was going to pay for the $15 minimum wage he's touting? Or how he's planning on funding free college for everyone? And if so, how many allies does he have in Congress in order to get his ambitious agenda through and get the House to pay for it? You said yourself, he's a "forgiver" not a fighter. Well, that means NOTHING he wants will get through and his supporters will get NOTHING but hot speeches and fists slamming on lecterns. Not good enough for me.
Uh, yah. They are. But you know that.
I get it. You don't care for strong women. Well, I DO. And that's why, should Joe Biden not enter the race, I'll cast my vote and my group will cast their vote for Hillary Clinton as our second choice.
Qutzupalotl
(14,311 posts)As he keeps saying, we need a movement of people to keep up pressure on congress to do what we want. That means we all have to do our part, calling, writing and faxing our congress critters. They do respond when their constituents are overwhelmingly on one side.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)entrenched recalcitrance of Congress-members if he thinks calling, faxing, and writing ones congresscritterwill make a difference. It didn't for President Obama when he called to his millions of supporters to contact their congresscritter during the ACA debate and when he called for us to contact Congress to fix the recently gutted Voting Rights Act. Nothing happened.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Yep. Obama made a large blunder.
Obama had a giant grassroots organization. Ready and waiting to work for him. And then he hired Rham, who promptly turned away from it and started playing the "insider" game. While calling the grassroots "fucking retarded".
With nothing to do, the neglect and insults caused the "army" to evaporate instead of being a source of power.
Will the same happen with Sanders? Maybe. Maybe not. That history has not been written yet.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Yep. That's what Republicans say. All. The. Time.
But having won both his elections with over 51% of the vote - something not done since FDR, may I remind you - well, that statement flies in the face of figures, don't it? He won re-election with 51.1% of the popular vote, even though he lost the White vote to Romney. Also, that horrible Rahm Emmanuel BEAT the Left's Jesus "Chuy" Garcia. BIG. So the majority of Americans, even in Chicago, don't think either man has done all too badly. Figures don't lie, jeff. Liars figure.
I'm sorry you got your fee-fees hurt, but that's your fault, not Rahm's. You listened to Jane Hamsher rather than did a little research for yourself, and now you base your anger on that inaccurate and horribly written article?? Really??
Rahm didn't call the grassroots on the Left "fucking retarded". That's what Firedogbagger, Jane Hamsher (no friend to the liberal movement, may I add) headlined her article with (so in essence, that's what she did) - and that is horrible reporting, akin to Fox "News" b.s. style reporting. Even in the article itself it shows that she had taken it totally out of context, but she knew that.
Here's what he said:
"Fing retarded," Mr. Emanuel scolded the group, according to several participants. He warned them not to alienate lawmakers whose votes would be needed on health care and other top legislative items.
NO WHERE did he call the attendees "fucking retards". That's what Jane "I <3 Palin and Norquist" Hamsher made of it. So you're wrong.
For clarity, Rahm was referring to the attendees' (liberal groups) plan (verbalized at that August 2009 meeting) to air ads against Blue Dog Dems in Red States and called that MOVE fucking retarded. it didn't stop them. And after the 2010 midterm elections, he was proven correct.
In 2010, Republicans swept, en masse, into power and took control of the U.S. House. Now they're impossible to purge, thanks to immediate Republican redistricting in those States (2010 was a census year, after all). Sure. We "purified" the Democratic Party and purged those dastardly Blue Dogs, but did we get more Liberals in their places? No. We lost the U.S. House to Teabagger Republicans who are, BY FAR, worse than those horrible Blue Dog Dems. Now, five years later, after the gutting of the VRA (which will need a House to reinstate), the ruling in favor of Citizens United v FEC, don't you agree with Rahm that that move was fucking retarded - by any Liberal's standard?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)All you had to do was look at OFA before and after Obama's election.
Before? Giant group full of people excited to work for Obama.
Obama elected. Never asks OFA for any more help. OFA withers away to a PAC with little influence.
It encapsulates his opinion about grassroots activists in two short words. Not a literal statement.
Boy, wouldn't it have been handy to have OFA as a source of power to prevent that?
Despite your unabashed rage at the liberal wing of the party, they voted in 2010. Also, they were not at all involved in the party's strategy in 2010. That would be Rham and his friends from the centrist wing. Who had us run under the brilliant strategy of "OH MY GOD!! I'M SO SORRY WE PASSED THE ACA!!!!! I'M NOT LIKE OBAMA AT ALL!!!!"
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)It's very difficult to discuss issues with someone who doesn't even bother to remember the posts he's responded to where his questions have been answered. It's also tiresome.
But here we go...
When President Obama publicly asked people to call their congresscritters to push through legislation like immigration reform, climate change, balanced deficit reduction, tax cuts on the wealthy, reducing gun violence, common sense gun laws, and the implementation of the Affordable Care Act in all States, WE DID. We called and faxed and e-mailed - to no avail. Again, he's working with an unprecedented obstructionist Republican Party - the likes we've never seen before. But you keep pretending that's not the case and you keep pretending that it would have actually made a difference had MORE Obama supporters called, faxed, and e-mailed. Here's a wake-up call: it doesn't work. You think a President Sanders can do what President Obama couldn't? Really? I'd LOVE to see him try.
In your opinion...and Jane "I <3 Palin and Norquist" Hamsher's opinion. Got it.
So you admit you were wrong to even insinuate he's said such a thing. Good.
Too many unicorns not farting enough rainbows for voters, I guess.
Not "unabashed rage". Disbelief and disappointment. But then again, who are these "Liberals" you speak of, kemosabe? Because I voted, and my group of 41 young people voted, and I'm certain you'd be hard-pressed to cal me a Liberal, but I self-identify as one, as do the members of my group. So who are these Liberals you believed voted in 2010 and who didn't?
May I remind you (and again, you fail to read my posts): Rahm's brother, Ezekiel, as well as Rahm himself has always been FOR the ACA. The Professional Left weren't (no single-payer - NO HEALTHCARE REFORM FOR YOU!).
Remember this? Fing retarded, Mr. Emanuel scolded the group, according to several participants. He warned them not to alienate lawmakers whose votes would be needed on health care and other top legislative items.
But, you know, political realities and all that. DEATH PANELS! HEALTH CARE WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE! KEEP GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY DOCTOR'S OFFICE! (Remember those cutesy Uncle Sam ads paid for by the Kochs in those examination rooms?). NO SINGLE-PAYER - NO HEALTH CARE REFORM!
You're conveniently forgetting the political climate during the health care reform debate during that time, and how U.S. M$M were advancing the Republican/GOP/Koch Bros lies to the public via ads, pressers, and Teabagger rallies that got wall-to-wall coverage each and every day. Yeah, but Rahm Emanuel, who cautioned against running against Blue Dog Dems to Liberal groups, is the bogeyman.
ChimpersMcSmirkers
(3,328 posts)When liberals don't show up to vote in mid-terms and locals how much of that is plausible? It's so much easier to just show up every four years and fight for that one person that can fix it all.
PS:
RACIAL JUSTICE
That's good stuff let me know when Bernie gets more than 15% of minority voters. It's the single thing that will keep Bernie away from the ring. Representing a 94% white state does that to you, but please tell us more about that MLK march. Getting bumped off your stage by a couple of BLM activists and slumping off to side will do it! Yep that photo.[link:| The one that says...man I'm not doing this right.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)ChimpersMcSmirkers
(3,328 posts)A test, got it. We have those tests every two years and have continued to fail them time after time, but please make it about this year.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)This year it's different. We've got the usual jerks on the Republican side, and the media-enabled front runner on the Dem side will do just fine for the big money boys. If people don't get this, the last chance might slip away. That's the way I see it, and so do a lot (but not yet quite enough) of other people.
senz
(11,945 posts)Bernie wasn't running that rally: he was an invited speaker. The host let the women take the mic. He stuck around for the ladies' speeches and the moment of silence but had to leave for two other gigs in the same city that day.
And how would it have looked if Bernie had challenged those women? They just wanted to scream in the middle with everyone looking at them. So they got what they wanted.
That night he had thousands of supporters cheering for him. He's doing so much that is RIGHT.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)That woman was and is a selfish, bratty idiot.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Surf's uuuup!!
msongs
(67,405 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Hence the 'surf' reference.
And I just loooove Bob Denver! It's a perfect storm!
...or not, but I just love that video.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)And his web site gives his plans.
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)There's a big difference between that and releasing policy proposals crunching the numbers for media and citizens to judge. Hillary and O'Malley are cranking out policy papers. Hillary just released one on rural economies + addiction intervention + college + economics + climate, etc., and Martin has been cranking them out as well.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Autumn
(45,084 posts)celestial choirs would be singing.* And there would descend from on high Hillary's policy papers that she has been cranking out that only a select person has seen.
* http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/clinton-turns-from-anger-to-sarcasm/?_r=0
arcane1
(38,613 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)our young people to college, Clinton wants the states to promise to hold down costs.
840high
(17,196 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)help corporations make bigger profits.
Autumn
(45,084 posts)Seeing is believing.
Autumn
(45,084 posts)to post a link. Pretty Please?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Apparently someone hasn't been paying attention.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Yes, and people will listen and follow Bernie.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)when she tells them that banksters are being picked on. Then they give her money. Her wealth is growing and growing. She is a member in good standing of the 1%.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)This op is a prime example.
Bernie Sanders support posts have exceeded the 100 rec mark on numerous occasions, with other lesser posts still frequenting the greatest threads section.
We could ignore that and still know that Hillary sees Bernie as a serious threat purely by the increased attacks from her surrogates.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)just sayin.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)When a Republican strategist comes on teevee and says that the GOP hopes Bernie Sanders will win from Hillary Clinton, that tells you all you need to know.
They have their battle-plan ready for the socialist from Vermont. He will be torn to pieces and then crushed, and we would get another Republican in the White House, just in time to appoint the next four SCOTUS justices and to launch another WAR!!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)He wont be able to fite back at them.....its just not in his nature....they will tear him to shreds.....and he will just stand there and take it......and to thrle "mushy middle" all you have to do is make the opponent look like a loser.....and they will use every dirty trick in the book.....
And poor Bernie will just ignore them.....slowly bleeding the "mushy middle" that justs votes for who they perceive is a winner.....and all it takes to convince them is a little theatrics (looking at you Donald Trump). And Bob's your Uncle.....President asshole Republican again.....only now they have President Asshole and control of Senate and House to boot!
I keep saying.....you cannot get into a cage match with those rattlesnake, carpetbagging Republicans fighting the Marquis of Queensbury Rules! Bless his heart....but that dog won't hunt.
Me, I much prefer a scappy candidate...especially one who has faced and studied the opposition....One who has experience dealing with the worst of the worse rhey've got. Playing Mr.Nice Guy is where Pres. Obama almost went wrong! It is exactly the problem we saw with Jimmy Carter.....he never fought back against his detractors either...he was just full speed ahead with his plans.....meanwhile....THEY were busy attacking and defining him....little by little public perception was being changed...and Jimmy continued to just block out the "noise". Well....we all know how that turned out...
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Except a select few who choose otherwise.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)But asked about why voters find Biden and challenger Bernie Sanders more authentic than Clinton, the former secretary of state seemed to take subtle dig at Sanders. "I started out listening because I think you can come with your own ideas and you can wave your arms and give a speech, but at the end of the day, are you connecting with and really hearing?" she said.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)in a nutshell, and for once I believe her .
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)a speech to one's supporters at Goldman $ach$.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/hillary-clintons-goldman-sachs-problem
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)funny how some seem to always leave that part off!
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)She gave to charity fees from speech to University, not to Goldman Sachs.
HappyPlace
(568 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)ejbr
(5,856 posts)as to how this was a "dig" at Bernie rather than an attempt to elevate herself. True, the answer appears to dismiss the other campaigns, but given the nature of electoral politics, I don't see her comments as being so egregious as warranting a response. If someone thinks that Bernie's only appeal is waving his arms and giving a speech, then I would presume their votes are locked into one of the inane Republicans.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)But asked about why voters find Biden and challenger Bernie Sanders more authentic than Clinton, the former secretary of state seemed to take subtle dig at Sanders. "I started out listening because I think you can come with your own ideas and you can wave your arms and give a speech, but at the end of the day, are you connecting with and really hearing?" she said.
Perhaps if M$M was covering Bernie as a real contender this would not need to be replied to, but since not all voters are on reddit, twitter, and FB he needs to shut this down now.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)the media has noted the consistent sizes of Bernie's rallies and if an uninformed person does not appreciate that this is because he IS "hearing and connecting with people", a significant number of people no less, then they are a lost cause, imho. Still, will keep quiet and let him and his handlers do their thing. What matters is that he wins.
BlueStateLib
(937 posts)watch trump if you want to see arm waving