Yep the campaign season has finally started Hillary's henchmen are

[bigdarryl]

Going to start going on the attack on Bernie.The Clintions are good at this stuff so all Sander's supporters be prepared for some ugly stuff http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-2016-proxies-attack-bernie-sanders-213359

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. You were expecting cream puffs and macaroons?

This is an election....what if you have to face Republicans.....do you think they are going to offer sweet iced tea and lady fingers?

[virtualobserver]

6. Hillary supporters seem to expect cream puffs and macaroons from Bernie supporters.

Anything other than sweet tea and lady fingers is considered to be bashing.

[VanillaRhapsody]

8. Cream puffs are what Bernie has....

he is a lover not a fighter.....I have been trying to explain that very thing for a while now....He is just not a scrappy kind of guy!

[virtualobserver]

16. Bernie's secret is that he responds truthfully.....the attacks, if you can call them that....

are a sign of weakness in both Hillary and the Republicans.

[VanillaRhapsody]

17. "truthfully" is not going to help against the Republicans smear machine...

Why do you think he is running on the Dem Platform? Because he needs the money....why does he need the money? To defend himself against THEM. Sorry but like Jimmy Carter before him...Bernie is just not up to that job. (in fact Mr Nice Guy almost lost Obama a second term).

[virtualobserver]

26. actually it will be just fine

but since you don't believe that he can win the nomination.....what difference does it make?

[VanillaRhapsody]

28. based on what exactly?

And its not just me....neither does Nate Silver and the hundreds of Endorsements she already has....

She has a 74% chance of winning STILL.....so I think its just a few more than me that think that....

[virtualobserver]

32. if the polls change, so will Nate Silver's view

endorsements? in the internet age, people make their own choices.

[VanillaRhapsody]

98. Thats a mighty heavy lift...

Good luck wrestling enough Women, Hispanics and Black votes away from her to do it! You think she is going to just stand aside for Bernie forever?

[virtualobserver]

109. I don't think that it will be a problem.

It really doesn't matter what Hillary does.

[VanillaRhapsody]

110. You better have another think then....

Good luck with that!

psssst Protip....Bernie's gains so far....have been in predominantly White states....

[virtualobserver]

112. Luck is unnecessary when you have truth.

[hifiguy]

118. I certainly hope so.

Because the hurricane of bullshit that will be thrown at Bernie will resemble nothing so much as a KKKarl Rove operation.

The ruthlessness and truthlessness of the Clintons is a well established historical fact.

[virtualobserver]

136. You are correct and the Republicans will be worse

Bernie will make them look stupid.....just as he does the pundits.......


did you read the "attacks" from the Hilllary surrogates?

They are incredibly weak......they really don't have much to work with.

When you act based on your principles in every moment, you don't have to come up with explanations for your actions.

[hifiguy]

138. They got nothin' and they know it.

So whatever they throw out there is pulled out of the thin air or their asses. Pathetic.

[VanillaRhapsody]

124. You keep telling yourself that.....and virtually observe him get his ass handed to him on a platter.

because that is how they roll.....in fact its why he has to run on the Dem ticket as an Independent in the first place....he needs Dem money to face their Wurlitzer of Smears!

[virtualobserver]

129. you say that because you've never seen a politician run truthfully

when there is no defense.....attacks dissolve into nothingness

[VanillaRhapsody]

132. Oh no....I never saw a Barack Obama run for office...

Cover blown....begone!

[virtualobserver]

137. you're right, he did run truthfully

and Bernie will win for the same reason.

[Gothmog]

133. Really?

Do you know how many delegates the state of Texas has to the DNC? Do you want to compare that number to the number of delegates in Iowa and New Hampshire?

[virtualobserver]

144. the soft Hillary voters will be shaken out if she loses IA and NH

some may go to Bernie and some to O'Malley but the effect will be nationwide.

[hifiguy]

151. She's inevitable until suddenly she isn't.

[virtualobserver]

153. exactly, then we find out what her core support level is

[Gothmog]

182. Iowa and New Hampshire are 90+% white states

Why would African American and Hispanic voters care about the results of these states? Winning Iowa and New Hampshire is meaningless according to to Nate Silver http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-new-hampshire/

So why do I still think Sanders is a factional candidate? He hasn’t made any inroads with non-white voters — in particular black voters, a crucial wing of the Democratic coalition and whose support was a big part of President Obama’s toppling of Clinton in the 2008 primary. Not only are African-Americans the majority of Democratic voters in the South Carolina primary (a crucial early contest), they make up somewhere between 19 percent and 24 percent of Democrats nationwide. In the past two YouGov polls, Sanders has averaged just 5 percent with black voters. Ipsos’s weekly tracking poll has him at an average of only 7 percent over the past two weeks. Fox News (the only live-interview pollster to publish results among non-white voters in July and August) had Clinton leading Sanders 62-10 among non-white Democrats in mid-July and 65-14 in mid-August. Clinton’s edge with non-whites held even as Sanders cut her overall lead from 40 percentage points to 19.

There are other indications that Sanders is unlikely to win the nomination. He hasn’t won a single endorsement from a governor, senator or member of the U.S. House of Representatives (unlike Obama at this point in the 2008 campaign). Sanders is also well behind in the money race (again, unlike Obama). These indicators haven’t changed over the past month.

But even if you put aside those metrics, Sanders is running into the problem that other insurgent Democrats have in past election cycles. You can win Iowa relying mostly on white liberals. You can win New Hampshire. But as Gary Hart and Bill Bradley learned, you can’t win a Democratic nomination without substantial support from African-Americans.

Iowa and New Hampshire are not that meaningful this cycle due to the lack of diversity in these two states.

[virtualobserver]

186. Do you imagine that voters sit around with demographic scorecards as they observe election results?

They don't. It is the headline..... "X wins Iowa" or "X wins New Hampshire" that builds momentum. The image of a winner on TV and on the web is more powerful than words.

The debates will also have a huge impact, and it isn't just about Bernie. O'Malley is going to come out swinging in the debates.
Any analysis of this race is worthless until we see the impact of the debates and the national reaction to Bernie's wins in Iowa and New Hampshire, should they occur.

[Gothmog]

187. Do you know African American voters?

Slate had a great article that explains why Sanders is not catching on with African American voters This thread was a very good thread about this issue http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251569927 From the article cited in the OP, I noted that several groups will not take Sanders seriously until he demonstrates electablity

If Sanders can get past the scrutiny, he’ll have to grow his appeal. Most Democrats aren’t liberals and many Democrats aren’t white, but so far, Sanders is the candidate of white liberals and just a handful of blacks and Latinos. Without a large share from either group, Sanders can’t compete in vital states like South Carolina and Nevada, where they dominate voting. But going beyond his base is more difficult than it looks. For as much as black Americans might like his policy positions—which fit their enthusiasm for a stronger safety net—they’re also strategic voters, not ideological stalwarts. Electability is key, and as a consequence, they tend to back the establishment choice: Al Gore over Bill Bradley; John Kerry over John Edwards. On occasion, blacks will back a factional candidate, like Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988. But Jackson had the reverse problem—he couldn’t win enough whites.

In other words, to win as a challenger in the Democratic Party, you have to bridge the gap between two different parts of the party. And this is hard. So hard, in fact, that it’s only been done twice in the modern era: Jimmy Carter in 1976, and Obama in 2008, who won over black voters with his surprise win in the Iowa caucuses. If Sanders wants to repeat the feat, he’ll have to do two things simultaneously: Beef up his operation in Iowa and New Hampshire, and invest in South Carolina with time and resources. He needs to cultivate visible allies in the black political community and build a dedicated presence with black civic institutions. He may not win the black vote, but with effort, he can deny Clinton the advantage of unified black support.

[virtualobserver]

190. I do, but my personal experience is just anecdotal (they support Bernie)

You are trying so hard to convince me.....

The debates and the initial primaries will tell.

[Gothmog]

207. I am happy to wait and see who the nominee will be

I would not put too much faith in the Iowa and New Hampshire results being meaningful

[1monster]

166. Given that the highest rate of African American, by state, population in the US is 37.30%, it

would be difficult for Bernie to make gains in a state where the population is "predominantly" African American.

In fact, the AA population in 28 states is less than 10%. (That does not mean that I believe that the issues that primarily affect AAs should be swept under the rug. Quite the contrary. I believe that anything that negatively affects any group affects all of us negatively.)

There are no states in the US that are not predominantly White. So your argument is a straw man. I'm not sure I understand the argument anyway.

I expect that each voter chooses his/her candidate based on more than race and gender. We all have our own criteria for what makes the ideal candidate based on our own experiences, beliefs, and yes, prejudices. If race and gender were all that mattered, it would make no difference if I voted for Hillary Clinton or Carly Fiorina. (I certainly don't believe that is true!) AA males would vote for Ben Carson and AA women would be in a bind over whether to vote for Clinton or Carson. White men would have to have figure out a way to narrow down their choices in this particular election year.

No one here is going to convince anyone who has already chosen their candidate with any argument here on DU. So why try? If Hillary is the Democratic nominee, I will vote for her, not enthusiastically, but because I don't want to see any of the clown car inhabitants sitting in the Oval Office. Most of the Bernie supporters on DU have said as much. So why, when you seem so sure that Hillary has it in the bag and all sewn up this sort of thing?

Rank State African-American Alone
Population (2010)[1] % African-American
1 Mississippi 1,074,200 37.30%
2 Louisiana 1,452,396 31.98%
3 Georgia 3,150,435 31.4%
4 Maryland 1,700,298 29.44%
5 South Carolina 1,290,684 28.48%
6 Alabama 1,251,311 26.38%
7 North Carolina 2,048,628 21.60%
8 Delaware 191,814 20.95%
9 Virginia 1,551,399 19.91%
10 Tennessee 1,055,689 16.78%
11 Florida 2,999,862 15.91%
12 Arkansas 449,895 15.76%
13 New York 3,073,800 15.18%
14 Illinois 1,866,414 14.88%
15 New Jersey 1,204,826 14.46%
16 Michigan 1,400,362 14.24%
17 Ohio 1,407,681 12.04%
18 Texas 2,979,598 11.91%
19 Missouri 704,043 11.49%
20 Pennsylvania 1,377,689 10.79%
21 Connecticut 362,296 10.34%
22 Indiana 591,397 9.07%
23 Nevada 218,626 8.10%
24 Oklahoma 277,644 7.96%
25 Kentucky 337,520 7.71%
26 Massachusetts 434,398 7.02%
27 California 2,299,072 6.67%
28 Rhode Island 60,189 6.36%
29 Kansas 167,864 6.15%
30 Wisconsin 359,148 6.07%
31 Minnesota 274,412 4.57%
32 Nebraska 82,885 4.50%
33 Colorado 201,737 4.28%
34 Alaska 23,263 4.27%
35 Arizona 259,008 4.16%
36 Washington 240,042 3.74%
37 West Virginia 63,124 3.58%
38 Hawaii 21,424 3.08%
39 New Mexico 42,550 2.97%
40 Iowa 89,148 2.68%
41 Oregon 69,206 2.01%
42 Wyoming 4,748 1.29%
43 Utah 29,287 1.27%
44 New Hampshire 15,035 1.22%
45 South Dakota 10,207 1.14%
46 North Dakota 7,960 1.08%
47 Maine 15,707 1.03%
48 Idaho 9,810 0.95%
49 Vermont 6,277 0.87%
50 Montana 4,027 0.67%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population

Resident population: White alone, percent, 2010 - (Percent)
State Value
Alabama 68.5
Alaska 66.7
Arizona 73.0
Arkansas 77.0
California 57.6
Colorado 81.3
Connecticut 77.6
Delaware 68.9
District of Columbia 38.5
Florida 75.0
Georgia 59.7
Hawaii 24.7
Idaho 89.1
Illinois 71.5
Indiana 84.3
Iowa 91.3
Kansas 83.8
Kentucky 87.8
Louisiana 62.6
Maine 95.2
Maryland 58.2
Massachusetts 80.4
Michigan 78.9
Minnesota 85.3
Mississippi 59.1
Missouri 82.8
Montana 89.4
Nebraska 86.1
Nevada 66.2
New Hampshire 93.9
New Jersey 68.6
New Mexico 68.4
New York 65.7
North Carolina 68.5
North Dakota 90.0
Ohio 82.7
Oklahoma 72.2
Oregon 83.6
Pennsylvania 81.9
Rhode Island 81.4
South Carolina 66.2
South Dakota 85.9
Tennessee 77.6
Texas 70.4
Utah 86.1
Vermont 95.3
Virginia 68.6
Washington 77.3
West Virginia 93.9
Wisconsin 86.2
Wyoming 90.7

http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/all-states/white-population-percentage#table

[silenttigersong]

156. Bernie stays focused

on the issues,how is it you think Hillary is stepping aside?If you mean by observing him and waiting to attack him ,not wise because Hillary will want his support if she wins the primary.This is simple,except so many of Bernie Sanders supporters will not vote for Clinton without the tactics she uses,and those who would will be less likely to vote for herOh my then you will see Republicans leak the juicies (not Benghazi)their oppositional research has .They will enjoy every minute of it.

[roguevalley]

183. time will tell. I believe he will win. No one I know wants her. No one. None of the womem

who were for her last time are now. They're just tired of all of it.

[brooklynite]

212. Pauline Kael: "How did Nixon win? Nobody -I- know voted for him"

[daleanime]

68. Wouldn't "truthfully" be the only.....

successful way to response to lies?

[cherokeeprogressive]

92. Why is it no surprise that you think truthfulness is not the quality you'd want in a candidate?

Why is it no surprise at all?

[silenttigersong]

149. The only smear

they can use is The Red Scare,that only appeals to the willfully ignorant .Who may not vote anyway!Whatever the outcome of the primary is,many Americans will congratulate Sen Sanders for his energies and passions to help us understand the Real State of our Country.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

168. Vanilla Rhapsody encourages lying as an effective counter to the GOP

not surprised.

[cali]

159. bwahaha. you know jack about him. I do. you are wrong. as usual.

[Armstead]

7. "Oh those awful Sanders supporters...Saying bad things about Hillary. oooo. They're so mean."

[VanillaRhapsody]

10. Why they are POOPYHEADS!

This is about the campaigns....not the battle du jour DU. You see...Republicans are going to come at him if he were to win.... with Bazookas....if you are surprised by and consider THIS an attack on Bernie.....oh man you better brace yourself!....you better gird your loins...

[teach me everything]

20. The more Americans learn about Bernie, the support for Clinton will continue to go down

Three reasons:

1) Bernie speaks the truth, consistent on his policies, offers fresh new perspective on things, and brings fresh new ideas on the table.
2) Bernie is bringing back the disaffected and uninterested voters into the Democratic Party fold. The Democratic Party had been bleeding for the last 30 years since it has shifted to the right.
3) It's not just Democrats that Bernie is attracting - Independents and Republicans are liking what they are hearing from Bernie, and if one of the 17 clowns is nominated, and just as useless - many will flock to Bernie if he is nominated. Hillary Clinton? Not so much.

[VanillaRhapsody]

21. Excuse me....40 YEARS!!!

You little bullet point list has a few serious holes...

Clinton is NOT losing Black votes....Hispanic Votes and Women votes....to Sanders....

Sanders is making strides in predominantly White states.....

This is why Bernie STILL only has a 12% chance so he better get busy!

[teach me everything]

25. You are correct. 40 years of Democratic Party shift to the right.

Close to that, Started with Jimmy Carter's loss to Ronald Reagan.

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. And 40 years....he has done what to get the public to know him?

Yeah I am correct...now show me how Bernie stands up to the Republican Smear machine better than Jimmy Carter did? Jimmy was their very first victim....and it worked....he never got a second term....and they vilified him for years.....for years and years....the general public had a terrible opinion of him....until very recently.

You have said nothing yet to make me confident he could beat Hillary Clinton much less the Republican field when they turn their weapons on him! Oh and OOOOOHHHH they will! They have been entirely focussed on her....and in fact been encouraging of HIM....because they don't fear him....they fear HER!

[teach me everything]

54. He has (had?) unscreened phone conversations called Brunch with Bernie

on Thom Hartmann's radio show every Friday. Anyone can call him - Republicans, Independents, Democrats alike can ask him questions or challenge him - they always come away impressed with Bernie.

He's done the rounds on Sunday talk shows - very hostile environment for him, and he turns it around on them, leaving the media bewildered on how he can handle them so easily. Bernie wants to debate with the Republicans but can't do so because of the stupid exclusivity rule that only benefits Clinton.

If you haven't heard anything that would convince you to change your mind over Clinton - I suggest you tune into the October 13th debates, and keep an open mind - if Bernie hasn't convicted you yet then I respect your decision on your support on Clinton. Bernie is equally as good as Clinton on women rights.

[VanillaRhapsody]

71. I literally burst out laughing....

Brunch with Bernie is your answer?


Oh man....you really are not ready for them....They have never attacked Bernie....Have you not noticed how they have hounded Hillary, Bill and Barack Obama? Barack Obama almost fell victim to it.....Bernie is a nice guy God bless him....but he has never had to face THEM in an election....

[teach me everything]

77. At the end of all the debates

I'd suggest you close your jaw...

[VanillaRhapsody]

79. You don't know much about HRC do you?

She is very good at debates....I know you don't recognize that yet.....but you will!


Now about his readiness for Republicans.....

[teach me everything]

82. Oh I know all about Clinton

She's not that good of an orator compared to Bernie.

[VanillaRhapsody]

86. Apparently you do not know that she will do just fine in debates???

oh you think she isn't a good Orator???



Thank you for bringing this up.....Today is the Anniversary of this speech....and she gave this speech BEFORE she was a politician...

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/hillaryclintonbeijingspeech.htm

And here she is in 2008 at the Democratic National Convention....

Bless your heart! And gird your loins!

[Juicy_Bellows]

89. Welcome to DU.

I think the first debate is going to be really quite something. I expect to read even more turd polishing here.

Cheers!

[VanillaRhapsody]

99. Turd polishing?

Yeah...there have been alot of those turds polished on this thread thats for sure!

Bernie is ready for Republican Smear Machine....and Hillary Clinton is no great Orator!!!

[Juicy_Bellows]

114. I don't think either of your comments are turd polished.

Bernie is ready for the cons - I think he'll handle himself just dandy and Hillary can deliver a powerful speech.

It's when cold hard facts get presented and folks ignore or act like they don't exist, or attack the messenger etc. that's when some will run their amplifiers through this -

[hifiguy]

162. The ORIGINAL turd polish!

Accept no substitutes.

[VanillaRhapsody]

165. Sure he is.....

[Rose Siding]

108. And before that JFK was making Bernie sick

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ilanbenmeir/bernie-sanders-despised-democrats-in-1980s-said-a-jfk-speech#.wyr24aVXw

Documents at that link also reveal how Sanders criticized Jesse Jackson for trying to make social changes within the Democratic Party.

While campaigning for Mondale, Bernie said he would be "a pretty bad" president.

[Armstead]

161. Except he was a sate leader oin Jessee jackson's Preidential campaign

He's got an ideology but he;s also pragmatic and will try what he thinks may work.

Nothin wrong with that

[Armstead]

22. It's not just the battle du jour on DU...Itls spread as a meme

As to the case in point...I know what you re saying, and you are correct to a point. I'm sure Sanders is prepared for it.

But Clinton could -- heaven forbid -- actually take a step towards moving away from the "politics as usual" template that has turned people off from politics. At least in the primaries she could emulate Sanders and campaign honestly about the issues, without getting personal and sending her surrogate out to spread nasty little lies about Sanders.

P.S. I am distinguishing between ordinary schmucks like myself (who has no marching orders from Sanders) and the professional politicos.

[VanillaRhapsody]

38. Sanders is most certainly NOT prepared for it.....

he has never really had to go against it.....and right now...they are entirely focussed on her.....and encouraging of him....because they fear her....not the other way around......they are not attacking him....because he is not a threat to them either!

She doesn't have to emulate ANYONE it is her race to win or lose (and her own Progressive Record to run on)....Sanders isn't even competitive thus far.....she is running her own race...pacing herself...and keeping her powder dry for THEM! She is politically savvy and has one of the best politicians ever at her side....she also has the President Obama election team and even Michelle Obama's publicist all working for her....Believe me when I tell you this....she has not even begun to sweat.

[Armstead]

44. We disagree...Not an unusual state of affairs /nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

49. You bet we do!

and so do all the polls thus far!

[AgingAmerican]

35. The Republicans are scared shitless of him

And would be absolutely flummoxed on how to handle him. His positions are unassailable and all they would do is bring more attention to Bernie.

[VanillaRhapsody]

43. They are?????

they are encouraging him!.....

Oh my....



He is going to "flummox" them....Oh my oh my....



He is no threat to them....they are not even focussing attention on him....in fact...they are not even focussed on him right now....they are completely focussed on her....because they WANT him to win.....why do you think there is sooooo much attention on her right now? Yet another of their bullshit scandals! Emailgate! And that is how they roll!

[AgingAmerican]

96. Yes they are

They have no answer for him. That's why they are doing their best to pretend he doesn't exist.

[VanillaRhapsody]

97. right now...to them....he doesn't!

[AgingAmerican]

100. Your fear of the right wing crackpots is....

perplexing...

[VanillaRhapsody]

102. Yeah...they are just "rightwing crackpots"

You keep telling yourself they are sooooo innocuous! At your candidates peril I might add!


Thats some world class turd polishing right there! "just rightwing crackpots is all"

[AgingAmerican]

105. Your fear of the right wing crackpots is....

perplexing

[VanillaRhapsody]

107. I don't fear them....my candidate has had her metal tested against them numerous times....

but after reading this thread....you should!

[AgingAmerican]

116. Your fear of them is....

perplexing.

[VanillaRhapsody]

117. Your lack of fear of them is

hilarious...



But thank goodness they have already come at her with their best shitty smears! Her metal is tried and true!

Yours? Not so much.....easy not facing them in elections in Vermont!


Why do you think Bernie is running on the Democratic ticket? Because without their coffers of cash...he has NO chance against their machine.....that machine is media exposure....and they are relentless! Unfortunately....Bernie is a bit of a political pacifist....he doesn't fire back! As I keep saying...he is a lover not a fighter....and they do not play by Marquis of Queensbury rules.....

[AgingAmerican]

127. So you do fear them

Bernie, on the other hand does not:

[VanillaRhapsody]

131. Good luck with that.....even Obama nearly fell victim

[teach me everything]

170. Metal?

A metal (from Greek μέταλλον métallon, "mine, quarry, metal"[1][2]) is a material (an element, compound, or alloy) that is typically hard, opaque, shiny, and has good electrical and thermal conductivity. Metals are generally malleable — that is, they can be hammered or pressed permanently out of shape without breaking or cracking — as well as fusible (able to be fused or melted) and ductile (able to be drawn out into a thin wire).[3] About 91 of the 118 elements in the periodic table are metals (some elements appear in both metallic and non-metallic forms).

Or

met·tle
ˈmedl/
noun
a person's ability to cope well with difficulties or to face a demanding situation in a spirited and resilient way.
"the team showed their true mettle in the second half"
synonyms: spirit, fortitude, strength of character, moral fiber, steel, determination, resolve, resolution, backbone, grit, true grit, courage, courageousness, bravery, valor, fearlessness, daring; More

Or

meddle
[med-l]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
verb (used without object), meddled, meddling.
1.
to involve oneself in a matter without right or invitation; interfere officiously and unwantedly:

Which is it?

[virtualobserver]

176. how many elections has she won against a serious RW candidate

ZERO......she won Senate races in liberal NY against weak candidates.

She has never faced serious competition other than Obama, who defeated her.

[FlatBaroque]

152. THREAD WINNER...

".they are completely focussed on her....because they WANT him to win...."

[SonderWoman]

90. LOL. Republicans are literally donating to him.

I've seen it with my own eyes.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

169. You hang out in places where Republican checks to Democrats ar generated?

neato. Tell me more about this place.

[cherokeeprogressive]

120. The republicans would find 50 different ways to use Hillary's tirade in the hearing about Benghazi.

"What DIFFERENCE, at this point, does it MAKE?..."

If the public doesn't know who had business before the US Government, donated to the Clinton Global Initiative, and then had their standing approve or improved (in that order) now, they will know names, amounts, and details the day after she wins the nomination.

It will be a TWENTY-FOUR/SEVEN anti-Hillary exercise. We'll hear every flip-flop. We'll hear every scent of a scandal whether true or not. We'll hear about how once she was absolutely against same-sex marriage and is now for it (wholeheartedly, to hear Ms. Clinton tell it).

In the grand scheme of things, who do you think provides the republicans with MORE ammunition? Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders?

[bigdarryl]

14. LOL not at all I was just wondering when the Clinton attack machine

Would start

[VanillaRhapsody]

101. Backed by the Barack Obama ground team....

who all work for her now...

[teach me everything]

111. This article says you're wrong..

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/08/aides-president-obama-bernie-sanders-raise-3-million-days.html

Not 'all'.

You really need to take care of that foot.

[VanillaRhapsody]

113. No it doesn't....

take care of that head!

I see you and raise you this..

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/hillary-clintons-power-players-116874

[orpupilofnature57]

122. Like Water to the wicked witch of the west, it always gets her, the truth .

[cali]

157. from the Clintons? Certainly not. I expect sleazy tactics and lying. unlike Sanders,

who doesn't traffic in the shit that the Clintons are so adept at flinging. As the playwright penned: "She stoops to conquer".

[riversedge]

2. You come across as hightly excited-shocked. Are you sure YOU are ready?

[SonderWoman]

4. "Henchmen". You sure you're on the right site?

[Android3.14]

9. A site that supports Democratic values?

Why yes, bigdarryl has more legitimacy here than so many of the henchmen puppets we've been seeing of late.

Do you have a problem with that?

[SonderWoman]

12. Those "henchmen" ARE Democrats.

[teach me everything]

23. Who are attacking other Democrats

and that includes Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders.

[SonderWoman]

27. Bernie spent most of his career attacking Democrats.

"Both party's are the same!".

[teach me everything]

34. Got proof?

If you are referring to criticizing PBO, including a primary from the left, it's to bring back dialogue to the left spectrum, which is sadly being ignored as PBO is more center-right, and HRC is actually to the RIGHT of him.

Obama ran on 'hope and change' - which was nearly abandoned after he was elected by bringing in Third Way sycophants to his Cabinet, keeping the party on status quo. Yes, PBO got PPACA in at great cost - abandoning the public option when it's really needed, to keep costs down even further (it would have been a significant achievement if public option was included) - but the costs of losing in 2010 and 2014 didn't help matters much to work on improving it. Instead it's a gridlock.

So Sanders was right. PBO was not the hope and change I was looking for, but I voted for him THREE times. '08 primary/GE and '12 GE.

[SonderWoman]

52. Of course I have proof:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181

[AgingAmerican]

42. Cite one instance

Of Sanders 'attacking' Democrats.

[SonderWoman]

48. How about calling for a primary against first black President.

Or: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181

[AgingAmerican]

56. That was not an 'attack'

Do you know what Sanders said at the time and why? Try reading beyond the headline.

"But if a progressive Democrat wants to run, I think it would enliven the debate, raise some issues and people have a right to do that," Sanders said. "I've been asked whether I am going to do that. I'm not. I don't know who is, but in a democracy, it's not a bad idea to have different voices out there."

[SonderWoman]

58. LOL. You forgot the rest:

"I think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing. […] So I would say to Ryan [sic] discouragement is not an option. I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition."

And you forgot to read the link.

[AgingAmerican]

60. That is not an attack

That is reality and I agree with it 100%. Barack Obama told us to hold his feet to the fire. You folks have really thin skins sometimes.

[SonderWoman]

63. LOL. You keep forgetting to read the link I gave as well.

[AgingAmerican]

70. Obama told you to hold his feet to the fire

When will that happen?

[SonderWoman]

74. Obama has accomplished more than any president of our lifetime.

And the Bernie crowd still isn't happy.

[Juicy_Bellows]

104. I can only speak for myself. If you weren't a bit disappointed in his cabinet assignments

and in his unwillingness to do anything about the criminal bankers and previous administration, well good for you. I had some momentum for Obama, voted for him twice. The first time with great HOPE the second time with little gusto.

He's done a lot of good - we can ALWAYS strive to do better and there ain't nothing wrong with that. We have a deep hole of corporate ran, back room dealing politics as usual - Obama stopped digging for the most part and now Sanders is offering a ladder up.

I say we start putting rungs on that ladder and get the hell out of the hole.

[malokvale77]

150. "Obama has accomplished more than any president of our lifetime."

Our lifetime?

Who the hells lifetime do you speak for? Were you born yesterday?

[Scootaloo]

73. What, for being black?

[arcane1]

128. That appears to be their (lame) implication n/t

[Armstead]

46. Not the same. But they've been too much alike on certain issues....an important distinction

hee supports what he agrees with and criticizes what he doesn't.

That's called thinking and being honest. What a concept.

[SonderWoman]

55. Yeah okay.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181

[Armstead]

65. I know all about his history

And I know why he was so angry at the Democratic Partry, and much of that is justified.

He's not alone in that. A lot of people -- of many shades of ideology -- see the two parties as simply an extension of those who have money and power and want to dictate everything.

And they are correct.

The world is not Either/Or. By either silence or complicity, Democrats have too often been asleep at the switch when it comes to the interests of protecting the majority of average and disadvantaged people from the predatory greed of the wealthy and power and corporate interests. Too often they have not been the counterbalance they should have been to the GOP/CONervative machine.

Also, you note that Sanders did not choose to run as a 3rd Party candidate who would throw the election to the GOP. He could have done that -- and guaranteed himself a place in the general Election.

[SonderWoman]

81. More spin. Enjoy your weekend.

[Armstead]

87. More deflection...As for the weekend, I'll enjoy it if I can shake this flu before it;s over

achoo

[99Forever]

88. That silly fabrication never gets old!

Do it again, do it again!

[SonderWoman]

94. You're too late. I've already provided links.

Enjoy your weekend.

[99Forever]

160. Of course you have.

Do it again, do it again. It never gets completely and utterly lame and stale.

[rhett o rick]

146. Are you getting that desperate that you start making things up? nm

[Gothmog]

135. Congressman Castro will be the Chair of the Texas Democratic State Convention

The Texas state convention will be in San Antonio next summer and will be a great event.

[teach me everything]

171. Oh by then, Castro won't have any control

when at least 75% of the delegates are Bernie supporters in the Convention by then.

Trust me.

:wave:

[Gothmog]

177. Bernie will be lucky to break 15% and get any delegates in Texas

The terms "socialist" and "socialism" do not poll well at all in the rest of the United States and these terms will be poison in Texas. My county party chair went to the only Houston event held by Sanders just to see who was there and the local press was not happy or open minded http://www.democraticunderground.com/107827740

Two of the significant portions of the Democratic base in Texas are Hispanics and African Americans which are also two groups who have not jumped on the Sanders bandwagon. I will be surprised to see Sanders get many delegates in Texas

Lets see how Sanders does on Super Tuesday. It is not cheap running a campaign in Texas and the Clinton people have been busy.

[bigdarryl]

19. I'm a Hillary supporter to the core if you have read my

Privious posts most of you would know that.I posted this because I don't want the Sanders supporters to be crying on DU like babies when Hillary goes on the attack.I personally think she wont start until the debates but let her serogates do the dirty work right now

[teach me everything]

37. Surrogates were already attacking Bernie

Let's see..

I can start with Luis Guiterrez, followed by Claire McCaskill, then Anthony Weiner, then Dan Malloy then one of the Castro brothers.

All attacking Bernie, and getting berned from their fruitless attacks. All they are doing is reminding the voters on why Clinton is not such a smart choice.

[AgingAmerican]

67. And if she plays dirty like you say

She will self destruct like she did against Obama.

Every surrogate attack thus far has only served to make the attacker look stupid.

[Armstead]

84. How does it feel to have your intent twisted?

Just as the intent of Sanders backers to say "foul" when misleading attacks are launched against him is not "crying like babies" but trying to set the record straight.

[rhett o rick]

147. The billionaires that support Clinton have money to burn. Wouldn't be surprised at

any thing they come up with. Prepare for Swiftboating.

Sen Sanders is supported by the people.

[cali]

163. yes. henchmen. do think about expanding your vocabulary a tad.

That is quite appropriate usage. I suggest a dictionary. You're clearly in need of one

[Cali_Democrat]

5. A very effective attack against Bernie that will likely be used:

Why did Independent Senator Bernie Sanders call for a sitting Democratic president, the first African American president, to be primaried in 2012?

I can see those robocalls going out to Democratic voters in South Carolina, many of whom are African American. Obama is still very popular with black voters.

[Armstead]

11. Here's the dirty little secret answer that Sanders has been hiding

"But if a progressive Democrat wants to run, I think it would enliven the debate, raise some issues and people have a right to do that," Sanders said. "I've been asked whether I am going to do that. I'm not. I don't know who is, but in a democracy, it's not a bad idea to have different voices out there."

How f'ing awful. And he was so secretive and ashamed he said it on the RADIO.

[MuseRider]

15. Thank you.

I did not know this. Great answer, why not?

[AtomicKitten]

29. Bill Clinton urged Hillary to run against Pres Obama in 2012. <nt>

[MuseRider]

31. Another.

Good. Thanks.

[Cali_Democrat]

47. I didn't know that.

Do you have a quote from Bill?

That would be pretty bad if true.

[Cali_Democrat]

18. So the robocalls would go something like this:

"Bernie Sanders is not even a Democrat and he thought it would be a good idea for a sitting Democratic president, the first African American president, to be primaried in 2012."

------

It'll be tough to counter this IMO.

[SonderWoman]

24. You forgot the rest:

"I think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing. […] So I would say to Ryan [sic] discouragement is not an option. I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition".

That's tough to walk back.

[Armstead]

39. Not really

He was calling for actually discussing issues that many peope were concerned about. How awful. Issues in elections.


 “Here’s the point: If you’re asking me, do I think, at the end of the day, that Barack Obama is going to be the Democratic candidate for president in 2012? I do. But do I believe that it is a good idea for our democracy and for the Democratic Party—I speak, by the way, as an independent—that people start asking the president some hard questions about why he said one thing during his previous campaign, and is doing another thing today on Social Security, on Medicare. I think it is important that that discussion take place.”

[Cali_Democrat]

53. OK...you think his statement is fine...

So don't get mad if it's used to attack Bernie.

[teach me everything]

59. It'd be an ineffective attack because it's the TRUTH n/t

[SonderWoman]

61. Spin! Spin! Spin!

Bernie has no chance without Obama's massive coalition.

[teach me everything]

72. What massive coalition?

[SonderWoman]

76. Never mind.

[teach me everything]

80. Seriously... What massive coalition?

The coalition of the Establishment?

[SonderWoman]

85. One day it will all make sense.

[Cali_Democrat]

78. Im here to teach you

https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/ObamaCoalition-5.pdf

[teach me everything]

93. Seeing that it's 2012

and we're talking about 2016... does that massive coalition still exist?

[Cali_Democrat]

115. Well...if you look at the demographic changes in the country

The coalition could be even more powerful in 2016.

The reason why it's called the Obama coalition is because he was the one that was able to mobilize them in 2008 and 2012.

Obviously Obama is not running again, but those voters are still out there.

BTW, those voters have a very high approval rating of Obama to this day.

[ibegurpard]

91. the one he fractured himself

By supporting insurance companies over public healthcare, education privatization, and corporate free-trade policy.

[SonderWoman]

103. 67 million and 65 million. Both over 50%. MASSIVE.

[ibegurpard]

189. I votes for him both times

2nd time because of the alternative. I'm not alone.

[VanillaRhapsody]

106. The Barack Obama Ground Team...known this day forward as a "massive coalition"

That coalition....they all work for Hillary now!

[underthematrix]

148. I think you have to be well read to truly understand how any President's agenda

ultimately gets shaped on the political landscape. It seems to me some people struggle with the idea that President's are not dictators. Just because a presidential candidate articulates a policy agenda on the campaign trail doesn't mean he or she will be able to get all of it done or that he or she can get all of it done in the manner orginally proposed. I think a President Sanders or Clinton or Biden would experience the same challenges as President Obama or more. That's just the nature of trying to get things done in an environment where there are competing interests.

I don't have the rabid hatred of former Presidents based on their political affiliation that I see so often on both sides of the aisle. I think reading about former presidencies is such an eye opener and a good way to stay grounded in rational arguments.

[ibegurpard]

40. it shouldn't be walked back

Obama is no progressive.

[AgingAmerican]

50. Because raising issues is a bad thing?

apparently...

[BooScout]

13. hmmmm....

So now Democrats are henchmen?

[HassleCat]

33. Let's just call them party loyalists

I don't think the Clinton campaign calls them up and tells them to say stuff.

[AtomicKitten]

45. No, she sends them to echo chamber boot camp for that.

The Making of a Hillary Chamber Echo Chamber
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-making-of-a-hillary-clinton-echo-chamber/2015/07/07/01625c5e-24ae-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html

[HereSince1628]

51. You're kidding, right?

Clinton campaign memes wouldn't be distributed by phones.

They'd come as tweets or some equivalent social media

[ibegurpard]

36. Going to start?

It started months ago. She has no credibility at all on the issues he is spotlighting so she has to try to destroy him.

[HereSince1628]

41. The good news is that these attacks will lift the media black-out on Bernie

It may not be the media he wants, but even half-intelligent readers will grasp that there would be no attacks if there was no threat to the Clinton campaign.

[FloridaBlues]

64. if you want to start whining about this baby food attack wait till republicans start.

[HereSince1628]

123. Who is whining?

I'm pointing out the opportunity attacks through the media create.


Whining is: I doonnn wannnaaa beeeeee in Myyyyyyaaaaaaammeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[JoePhilly]

57. Henechmen??

Sounds like freeper ville around here sometimes.

[ibegurpard]

62. I know

With all the free-trade fetishists and privatizers pushing their talking points...not the DU I joined back when.

[JoePhilly]

69. Could you point me to some of those OPs.

There must be dozens of them you could reference.

Thanks.

[cali]

164. you need a dictionary. henchmen is accurate usage. you simply don't know the definition

of the word. Here, expand your vocabulary.

a faithful follower or political supporter, especially one prepared to engage in crime or dishonest practices by way of service.
synonyms: right-hand man, assistant, aide, helper; More
historical

[Duckhunter935]

66. They started months ago

Bernie always takes the high side and refuses to attack her. She has to use surrogates to to her dirty work.

[silenttigersong]

75. Henchpersons

Otherwise it is sexist contacted by phone not email

[Metric System]

83. Time to put on your big boy and big girl pants. This is nothing compared to what the GOP will

unleash if Sanders is the nominee.

[teach me everything]

125. Unleash what, exactly?

Whatever they've got, it's already been tried and failed.

Right here on our primaries.

Bernie carries the TRUTH, and no ad attack are effective against the TRUTH.

[leftofcool]

143. I can think of a few things but you really should use Google

[teach me everything]

172. Hillary supporters say "Use Google"

FAIL - deflection. Not stating reasons for supporting one Hillary Clinton.

[Ron Green]

95. 2016 is a real test for America. Will smears and attacks continue to win,

or will discussion of issues finally come to the fore, giving the lie to the M$M, pollsters, party purists, operatives, "real world" scolds on DU, and all kinds of people with their shorts in a knot because they simply cannot imagine, or are terrified by, real political renewal.
We may yet fail this test. So many people are just f***ing dumb about politics, and a slightly smaller number are invested in the corrupt system that hoses us.

However, Bernie really is incorruptible, and his message is true. Every other candidate has gotten to where he or she is through the largess of this crooked game, so there truly is a right and wrong side here. So let's just stay the course, use the 'Net, talk the talk, make the rallies and let it happen. When the attacks come, will they work, or not?
That is the test for this country.

[PowerToThePeople]

119. All third way scum

We know the enemy by their works. None of these people care about anything besides their careers and pocket books. They do not represent the citizens of this country. They are the enemy.

[brooklynite]

121. So criticizing someone's policy on guns requires a henchman?

[orpupilofnature57]

126. Nothing to do with guns , it transcends in everything she does or hides from us now, what would she

do as President, I truly shutter to think.

[brooklynite]

134. I'm confused: it's okay to criticize Clinton's record, but it's NOT okay to criticize Sanders'?

[Gothmog]

130. If you think that these attacks are nasty, how will you deal with $400 million of Koch attacks ads

If Sanders is the nominee, the Kochs and the GOP candidate will run several hundred million dollars of attack ads against Sanders and they have some good material to work with. The terms "socialism" and "socialist" already poll badly and these terms will become radioactive after $400 million of attack ads.

I keep asking how Sanders will run a viable general election campaign against the Kochs and GOP financial resources and I have yet to get a good answer. If the comments by Congressman Castro and Governor Cuomo are upsetting to Sanders supporters, then they need to get ready for some real attacks if Sanders is the nominee.

[orpupilofnature57]

140. He has less to hide or defend, the thing they can't buy, The Truth, and the smoke & mirrors of MSM

is just a commercial for the 1%, and most of all people need only connect the dots, and Bernie will shine.

[Gothmog]

141. You do know that there is polling out on the terms "socialism" and "socialist"

Those terms poll really badly now and these terms will be radioactive after $400 million of negative ads. You can disagree with this polling but the voters who watch these negative ads will be voting against Sanders.

[orpupilofnature57]

145. Who doesn't know about the Koch brothers and Citizens United by now ? I think you underestimate the

intelligence of our " Voters " and the only people who depend on polls are MSM .

[Gothmog]

180. Sanders voters are a very very narrow segment of the party

The rest of the base of the party is not as open minded about the terms socialism or socialist. It is true that the very narrow segment of the party who are supporting Sanders may not care and the terms "socialist" or "socialism" but the negative ads will be aimed at the rest of the voter and they will care as demonstrated by the existing polling. Just because you disagree with the polling results on these terms does not mean that these polls are invalid.

[orpupilofnature57]

184. And polls aren't issues or dots that connect the misery, As I said you underestimate people .

[Gothmog]

185. I live in the real world and do not believe in magic

[frylock]

188. I live in a fantasy world where Republicans won't come out in droves to vote against Hillary Clinton

[orpupilofnature57]

196. They invented ' Citizens United ' mostly so they could shit on Her, I must be in the same dream.

[Gothmog]

208. Republicans will come out in droves to vote against any Democrat

The terms socialist and socialism will drive the GOP voters nuts

[frylock]

210. Conservatives have been waiting 25 years for the opportunity to vote against Hillary.

[teach me everything]

173. Really? Maybe you should get off our socialist Internet then...

Seriously...

Bye

[Gothmog]

181. So the truth hurts

That is too bad. Again, Sanders is appealing to a very narrow segment of the base and Sander is not appealing to some key groups in the Democratic base that are necessary if Sanders wants to be the nominee.

You can ignore the truth and facts but such actions will not help Sanders win the support that he needs.

[teach me everything]

193. That's where you're wrong. at the end...

You will see the results of you being completely wrong.

Socialism is not a bad word - no matter how hard you try to make it out. This ain't the 60s or the 70s.

[Gothmog]

206. Tell that to the pollsters

The polling on these terms are really bad and the fact that you disagree with this polling is meaningless. You will not be the target audience for any negative using these terms. Given the poling and the reaction of the local county newspaper to my county party chair merely attending the Houston event, the Kochs have a great deal of material to work with.

Here is the reaction of the local paper to my county party chair merely attending the Sanders event in Houston My county party chair went to the event to see who was attending and the local county paper went nuts. http://www.democraticunderground.com/107827740

[teach me everything]

209. Here..

And good luck trying to promote tired old talking points..

They aren't working anymore - the political revolution is real, and we're really taking America back from the oligarchy.

[eridani]

213. Sanders is appealing to alienated voters not identifying with parties.

Clinton has exactly zero appeal to the alienated--give me even one example of someone previously uninvolved who was inspired to get involved by Clinton.

I'm going to a meeting called by a young man in SW King County totally unknown to the 34th LD Democrats or the 33rd LD Democrats. Not heard of him through any of my issue groups either. The South Seattle group was founded by a 26 year old woman who has never voted before. She was a few days too young in 2008, and hasn't voted since. Given that WA is a caucus state, we are urging everyone to get involved in local LD and county groups at least temporarily. At these meetings, most attendees are people I haven't seen at any Dem organization.

[Truprogressive85]

139. I guess the Ferraro incident HRC has not learned from

Lets see

in 2008 HRC surrogates were a liability for her so I wonder who's bright idea is it to try it again

[leftofcool]

142. If Bernie can't handle the heat, he needs to get out of the kitchen.

[orpupilofnature57]

154. That's how he got to be Senior Senator, saying stuff like " Can't we just move on " Oh right that

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was the secretary of state who said that.

[gwheezie]

155. They'll both be fine

The supporters may get cranky.
Can the Bernie supporters at least acknowledge he has never played at this level before?
I support HRC but I am not positive she'll win. I'm not going to bash Bernie because I may wind up having to vote for him if he's the nominee. But I've been an HRC supporter since she was 1st lady and she is still standing. She has been through this Bernie hasn't. So Bernie isn't an idiot, I expect him to learn from an early fight with Hillary, if he can handle it he'll be the nominee, if he cant she'll beat him. Let's see how this plays out.

[silenttigersong]

158. No

Bernie will be fine.Hillary has problems on her plate about emailgate.

[jfern]

167. They'll start all the attacks

that Republicans will use in the general election against Sanders. Who needs Republicans when you have neoliberal "Democrats" attacking you like no tomorrow?

[Autumn]

174. That's been going on. Claire, Carlos Danger, Castro and some other one.

[beam me up scottie]

179. Yep. Why wait for the Republicans to lie about Bernie?

Hill's shills are trying to get in front of the Bern now.

Trying but failing.

I'm sure they'll get even more desperate as her numbers continue to fall.

[Armstead]

175. A collective response -- Should Democrats be Republicans in behavior? If so we're no better

Yes the GOP will get out the mud pots in the General Election. Bernie or Hillary or whomevr the nominee has to be able to handle that. And I'm sure they all are ready for that.

But,t more important at this point, is it appropriate for Democratic candidates to use the mud pit tactics of the GOP in the primaries? Or should we raise the bar, have honest campaigns and demonstrate by example that the Democrats are more honorable?

[99Forever]

191. Same tactics, different year.

There are some candidates who can't seem to help campaigning dirty, I personally think it is a character flaw that can't be changed.

[DonViejo]

178. Funny. Politico is routinely and regularly denounced by DU'ers as an

unreliable source for news and opinions regarding the Democratic Party but; it publishes a piece alleging proxies for Sec'y Clinton are going to attack Senator Sanders and WOW! Politico suddenly has credibility with DU'ers! PRESTO Change-o!

[beam me up scottie]

192. You posted a hit piece on Bernie from the Federalist and you're complaining about sources?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=500090

[DonViejo]

194. You think that's a hit piece? I didn't and don't. I thought it was an indication

at least some Federalists think they can work with the Senator. And before you get your knickers any further twisted; I post articles, period. Nothing more, nothing less. I rarely, if ever comment about the articles I post, I leave that to DU'ers. I might join in the conversation if I find something interesting or even outrageous being said, e.g., comments about an article that begins one way but, in the fifth paragraph the tenor and tone of the article changes but, based on the DU'ers comment, it's clear she/he didn't bother to read beyond the headline and/or the fourth paragraph.

[beam me up scottie]

195. Iow you have no right to call out anyone else for their sources.

The only knickers that got twisted in this thread are yours.

[DonViejo]

198. Who established you as the Judge/Commandant who determines what rights I have or do not have?

If folks want to whine and complain about Politico as unreliable but then post stories from Politico, that's up to them but, they shouldn't be upset if they are critiqued for it. Further, did you, yourself, bother to read the entire Politico article? The allegations insinuated in the headline are not sustained by the article.

BTW, I don't wear knickers.

On Edit:

Corrected spelling/use of the word "wear" from "where" to "wear".

[beam me up scottie]

199. "BTW, I don't where knickers."

[DonViejo]

200. Thank you for confirming you are the type of person I suspected you to be.

[beam me up scottie]

201. A knicker wearing pointer outer of hypocrisy?

You're welcome!

[DonViejo]

203. No, actually, I was thinking more along the lines of someone that laughs at and

belittles someone owing to a grammatical error. That same attitude extends to those you might be or, you suspect, you are in disagreement with on an issue. It's a well established form of bullying.

Have a great weekend, beam me up scottie.

[beam me up scottie]

205. You insulted me and I'm the bad guy?

Sure, whatever you say.

[HerbChestnut]

197. It's disappointing and rather telling...

That this is how Clinton has decided to attack Bernie. Won't even get her own hands dirty. Props to Sanders for taking the high road and not engaging in personal attacks or negative ads.

[FloridaBlues]

204. The Bernie people think they know

All of his statements, issues, voting record for past 34 yrs hold onto your lips because you will be left without words when the drip drip of all the years comes.
who knows the drip drip may come out Even as he's stuck in a distant 2nd place.

[Thinkingabout]

202. Has Bernie said negative things about Hillary?

[HerbChestnut]

211. Other than comparing their stances on the issues...

No. And he's repeatedly refused to attack her when prompted by the media.