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Thu Sep 10, 2015, 07:00 PM

 

Clinton cedes the mantle of "Progressive" to Sanders

Hillary Clinton:

You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center. I plead guilty. I think sometimes it’s important when you’re in the elected arena you try to figure out how do you bring people together to get something done rather than standing on opposite sides yelling at each other.


Bernie Sanders (in response):

I am somebody who for the last thirty years has stood up and fought for working families, I've taken on virtually every special interest in the country from Wall Street to the drug companies. I am a proud progressive.

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Reply Clinton cedes the mantle of "Progressive" to Sanders (Original post)
portlander23 Sep 2015 OP
NowSam Sep 2015 #1
AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #2
craigmatic Sep 2015 #4
daleanime Sep 2015 #25
Fawke Em Sep 2015 #32
RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #22
craigmatic Sep 2015 #3
Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #5
dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #47
Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #53
monmouth4 Sep 2015 #6
LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #49
CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #7
Doctor_J Sep 2015 #8
RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #23
jeff47 Sep 2015 #40
hifiguy Sep 2015 #42
jfern Sep 2015 #9
jalan48 Sep 2015 #10
Gman Sep 2015 #11
MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #14
frylock Sep 2015 #27
MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #29
frylock Sep 2015 #30
MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #31
dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #48
JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #56
paleotn Sep 2015 #20
hifiguy Sep 2015 #43
dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #50
frylock Sep 2015 #26
leveymg Sep 2015 #28
rhett o rick Sep 2015 #46
tomm2thumbs Sep 2015 #12
lobodons Sep 2015 #13
thesquanderer Sep 2015 #15
dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #51
Cosmic Kitten Sep 2015 #16
hifiguy Sep 2015 #44
mdbl Sep 2015 #17
dflprincess Sep 2015 #18
SomeGuyInEagan Sep 2015 #19
Bubzer Sep 2015 #21
paleotn Sep 2015 #24
Katashi_itto Sep 2015 #33
Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #34
Hydra Sep 2015 #35
840high Sep 2015 #36
Hydra Sep 2015 #37
Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #38
CoffeeCat Sep 2015 #39
emsimon33 Sep 2015 #41
Armstead Sep 2015 #45
Buzz cook Sep 2015 #52
L0oniX Sep 2015 #54
Hollingsworth Sep 2015 #55

Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 07:01 PM

1. Thank you Bernie.

We need a fighter right now.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 07:05 PM

2. 'Center' = half Democrat and Half Republican

 

Given 99% of the nations problems are caused by right wing policies, why would any sane Democrat claim to be half Republican

Someone needs to ask her, "Which Republican policies do you support and why?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 07:09 PM

4. That third way shit is only for politicians who don't believe in their party's principles.

 

It's cowardly and only wins in times when conservatives have held power for a long time like going into a fourth term like 1992 in the US or 1997 in the UK.

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Response to craigmatic (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:48 PM

25. +1

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Response to craigmatic (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 10:07 PM

32. I believe another Kennedy is going to come out for Bernie soon. eom

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:36 PM

22. Given that right-wing nutjobs are routinely called "conservative," I guess it's worse than that. n/t

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 07:06 PM

3. Nobody is inspired by moderates. We live in times that demand action on big issues Obama showed us

 

that. Hillary and Jeb on the republican side are boring and represent the past. Hillary's moderation is a throwback to the 90's when the center was further right but now we live in a time where the center is further left. She's out of step and that's why she's losing. If she wanted to be president this badly she should've ran in 2004 when she could've won and people would've flocked to her.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 07:18 PM

5. Sadly, what usually happens when people say they try to bring people together

to get something done, it usually means that due diligence is going to be kicked to the curb.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 05:54 PM

47. Right, and the intersection where centrist Dems and Republicans...

can get something done, is strictly limited to the wishes of their corporate donors. No thanks to that.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #47)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:24 AM

53. You just never realize how far the power of the executive office has on local issues,

until you get steam-rolled by their large campaign donors.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 07:19 PM

6. I can see why DWS wants to keep the debates to six, the more she speaks the worse it gets..n/t

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Response to monmouth4 (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 05:57 PM

49. +1,000

The more people see of Hillary the less they like her, same as it was on 2007/08

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 07:22 PM

7. When you get "people" together, somehow the Democratic people always get screwed.

And with Hillary in the White House, that certainly won't change.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:17 PM

8. I wonder if her supporters will now stop claiming that she's liberal

 

It would be a time saver to stop seeing that ridiculous fantasy posted.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:37 PM

23. +1 But, but they've got evidence!

Unfortunately, everything but the candidate's own words, actions, and policies.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 02:36 PM

40. We already know Clinton's own statements won't change their mind on other issues.

Why would this be any different?

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 03:46 PM

42. As I noted a few days ago, HRH could have an hour-long televised sit-down

 

with DicKKK Cheney where they barbequed live kittens together and the Hillionaires would find ways to spin/deny/deflect/explain it all away.

It's sad, really.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:34 PM

9. Moderate in this country means the same as right-wing Republican 35 years ago

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:36 PM

10. The problem is that moderate these days means 80's Republican.

We've gone far enough right. It's time for Democrats to become Democrats again.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:43 PM

11. I like Hillary's comment better

She gets things done.

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Response to Gman (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:49 PM

14. What, in your estimation, were the three most important things she got done?

 

Anyone else is invited to answer the question, too.

Only positive things, please!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:57 PM

27. Awful quiet here.

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Response to frylock (Reply #27)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 10:00 PM

29. It's a magic question. nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #29)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 10:06 PM

30. Gosh, it's gotta be hard to narrow it down to just the three.

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Response to frylock (Reply #30)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 10:06 PM

31. That's almost certainly the problem. nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 05:57 PM

48. Well done

and that is no empty snark, it speaks to the hollow essence of her political existence.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:07 AM

56. kick.

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Response to Gman (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:29 PM

20. Bringing working class Americans

"together" with Wall Street financial sharks. Oh, that will work our really well. We'll take a middle approach on only half screw the average American. Gotcha.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #20)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 03:52 PM

43. No more of this kind of bullshit:

 



for Bernie!

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #43)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 05:58 PM

50. Thanks for resurrecting an alltime favorite - eom

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Response to Gman (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:55 PM

26. Who cares if they're the wrong things?

By golly, things are getting done.

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Response to Gman (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:58 PM

28. Like, the Iraq War? Got done to death.

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Response to Gman (Reply #11)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 05:39 PM

46. Yes but the wrong things. If you haven't noticed we have a 22% of American children living in

 

poverty. Someone has not been getting the correct things done. We are losing jobs to China and our environment is being decimated for oil company profits. She helped get the Iraq War "done". Thanks a lot.

We need change from the Oligarchy run government and she is not going to do it.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:47 PM

12. To many Democrats 'moderate' can equate to 'wishy washy and unprincipled'


well, I guess truth in advertising



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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:48 PM

13. Just like the GOP needs Teabaggers to win elections

 

The Dems will need Bernie Progressives both locally and nationally to win elections.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:54 PM

15. Calling yourself moderate may help in the general...

...but makes it harder to get there.

I guess she's confident enough about winning the nomination to risk that. Sounds like she's playing the long game, already running her November campaign.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #15)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 06:01 PM

51. I think she's just realized she can't hold the left flank

so she's doubling down on what she wants to be viewed as the moderate center (it's really corporatism masquerading as centrism).

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:56 PM

16. Hillary is the CHAMPION of ????

She say's she's the champion of the middle class...
but won't yell at the "other side" to win the fight!

Go Bernie!

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Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 03:53 PM

44. Any Clinton is the "champion" of one thing:

 

Advancing the Clintons. And nothing else.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:57 PM

17. The mind of a true DCCC'er

The DLC and DCCC has turned the Clintons into someone I know longer recognize. Is she really idiotic enough to think that Repugs will work with her? They will treat her as bad if not worse than Obama.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:13 PM

18. As Jim Hightower has said

"Nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos."

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:20 PM

19. Yup. Made a great book title, too.

Like Jim's radio commentaries in the '90s.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:30 PM

21. That says a lot all on its own.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:40 PM

24. We know exactly what happens to "moderate" Dems....

....they get slaughtered in the general. How many times have we seen some blue dog, DCCC Dem get crushed by a Republican wackaloon, so insane they're barely functional? More than a few times. If you don't fire up your own side, you lose, period, end of story. What little momentum or buzz there is doesn't carry over to those who pay little attention to day to day politics and they stay home. The base is lukewarm and many of them fail to vote as well. The right wing nuts do turn out and we end up with the Congress and state houses we currently have. Firing up the base put Barrack Obama in the White House twice. Hillary Clinton....no student of political history is she.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 11:01 PM

33. K&R

 

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 11:14 PM

34. Hillary, you're not preventing people from standing on opposite sides yelling at each other.....

 

You're standing on their side claiming you're not with us.

You tell them you don't know us. You aren't like us.

....and you know what?

They STILL hate you.

BTW: You're supposed to have OUR backs. We're not supposed to have yours.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #34)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 11:35 PM

35. It's the whole "Imperial Presidency" thing

The people in the beltway have forgotten that they are public servants. They don't think enough of us down here on the ground to actually consider having our backs.

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Response to Hydra (Reply #35)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 12:04 AM

36. Perhaps because we vote the same

 

crooks in over and over - as long as they have a D after their name. Sure they take us for granted.

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Response to 840high (Reply #36)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 12:09 AM

37. That's certainly been a problem

But maybe we're growing past that. Hard to say, lots of entrenched interests and bad power players to uproot.

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Response to Hydra (Reply #37)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 01:21 AM

38. Some of her fans are acting like it's a "loyalty to the Party issue"....

 

The Clintons don't OWN the Democratic Party.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:45 AM

39. I am so sick and tired of Democrats...

…who insist that a failure to stand up for basic, Progressive, core Democrat-party principals--is simply compromise.

Bullshit.

Republicans don't compromise. Do you ever hear conservative Republicans telling their party faithful to back down on being pro-life because it's so important compromise and get things done?

Hell no!

Do you think any Republicans tell their evangelical wing that they must tone down the God stuff so Democrats will like us and work with us?

The Democrats in our party who suggest that we must work together--always cave. Compromise is code for--Republicans win and Democrats fold.

We have a two-party system for a reason. It's ok to debate, discuss and listen. It's ok to be somewhat flexible on some things. However, when it comes to your core principals--you fight. We elected you to FIGHT--not play footsie with a bunch of extremist, right-wing, nut job, Fox-watching derelicts!

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 03:43 PM

41. At least Hillary is honest

She is just more of the same. Enough is enough.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 03:57 PM

45. Hell I'm a moderte too -- That's why I support Bernie

 

Sanders is trying to drag the political/economic system back to a true centr, where there are checks and balances to restrain the gred and lust for poser of the already powerful, where the middle class can survive and where the poor are given support and opportunity to rise.

In order to be a rel moderate these days, it's necessary to shake the system loose from the stranglehold.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 06:33 PM

52. This is Tim Russert journalism

Look for a supposed contradiction and there ya go, Al Gore is fat.

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:27 AM

54. Just guessing ...Kim Davis will be voting for Hillary?

 

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Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:34 AM

55. A display of more awkwardness and lack of self identity

 

Earlier in the summer she was an echo of what Bernie and Warren were saying, a mimic of their ideas they have held for many, many years.

And now she decides that isn't working (people were actually laughing at her poor attempt of rewriting history) and retreats to the center.

This is not the comport of a successful campaign. She seems to be flailing around trying to hit any lucky spot and that is a sign of confusion and weakness.

Disclaimer: This does not mean I hate Hillary Clinton. This is an observation of a political candidate.

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