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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:00 PM Sep 2015

Clinton cedes the mantle of "Progressive" to Sanders

Hillary Clinton:

You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center. I plead guilty. I think sometimes it’s important when you’re in the elected arena you try to figure out how do you bring people together to get something done rather than standing on opposite sides yelling at each other.


Bernie Sanders (in response):

I am somebody who for the last thirty years has stood up and fought for working families, I've taken on virtually every special interest in the country from Wall Street to the drug companies. I am a proud progressive.
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Clinton cedes the mantle of "Progressive" to Sanders (Original Post) portlander23 Sep 2015 OP
Thank you Bernie. NowSam Sep 2015 #1
'Center' = half Democrat and Half Republican AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #2
That third way shit is only for politicians who don't believe in their party's principles. craigmatic Sep 2015 #4
+1 daleanime Sep 2015 #25
I believe another Kennedy is going to come out for Bernie soon. eom Fawke Em Sep 2015 #32
Given that right-wing nutjobs are routinely called "conservative," I guess it's worse than that. n/t RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #22
Nobody is inspired by moderates. We live in times that demand action on big issues Obama showed us craigmatic Sep 2015 #3
Sadly, what usually happens when people say they try to bring people together Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #5
Right, and the intersection where centrist Dems and Republicans... dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #47
You just never realize how far the power of the executive office has on local issues, Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #53
I can see why DWS wants to keep the debates to six, the more she speaks the worse it gets..n/t monmouth4 Sep 2015 #6
+1,000 LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #49
When you get "people" together, somehow the Democratic people always get screwed. CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #7
I wonder if her supporters will now stop claiming that she's liberal Doctor_J Sep 2015 #8
+1 But, but they've got evidence! RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #23
We already know Clinton's own statements won't change their mind on other issues. jeff47 Sep 2015 #40
As I noted a few days ago, HRH could have an hour-long televised sit-down hifiguy Sep 2015 #42
Moderate in this country means the same as right-wing Republican 35 years ago jfern Sep 2015 #9
The problem is that moderate these days means 80's Republican. jalan48 Sep 2015 #10
I like Hillary's comment better Gman Sep 2015 #11
What, in your estimation, were the three most important things she got done? MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #14
Awful quiet here. frylock Sep 2015 #27
It's a magic question. nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #29
Gosh, it's gotta be hard to narrow it down to just the three. frylock Sep 2015 #30
That's almost certainly the problem. nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #31
Well done dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #48
kick. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #56
Bringing working class Americans paleotn Sep 2015 #20
No more of this kind of bullshit: hifiguy Sep 2015 #43
Thanks for resurrecting an alltime favorite - eom dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #50
Who cares if they're the wrong things? frylock Sep 2015 #26
Like, the Iraq War? Got done to death. leveymg Sep 2015 #28
Yes but the wrong things. If you haven't noticed we have a 22% of American children living in rhett o rick Sep 2015 #46
To many Democrats 'moderate' can equate to 'wishy washy and unprincipled' tomm2thumbs Sep 2015 #12
Just like the GOP needs Teabaggers to win elections lobodons Sep 2015 #13
Calling yourself moderate may help in the general... thesquanderer Sep 2015 #15
I think she's just realized she can't hold the left flank dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #51
Hillary is the CHAMPION of ???? Cosmic Kitten Sep 2015 #16
Any Clinton is the "champion" of one thing: hifiguy Sep 2015 #44
The mind of a true DCCC'er mdbl Sep 2015 #17
As Jim Hightower has said dflprincess Sep 2015 #18
Yup. Made a great book title, too. SomeGuyInEagan Sep 2015 #19
That says a lot all on its own. Bubzer Sep 2015 #21
We know exactly what happens to "moderate" Dems.... paleotn Sep 2015 #24
K&R Katashi_itto Sep 2015 #33
Hillary, you're not preventing people from standing on opposite sides yelling at each other..... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #34
It's the whole "Imperial Presidency" thing Hydra Sep 2015 #35
Perhaps because we vote the same 840high Sep 2015 #36
That's certainly been a problem Hydra Sep 2015 #37
Some of her fans are acting like it's a "loyalty to the Party issue".... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #38
I am so sick and tired of Democrats... CoffeeCat Sep 2015 #39
At least Hillary is honest emsimon33 Sep 2015 #41
Hell I'm a moderte too -- That's why I support Bernie Armstead Sep 2015 #45
This is Tim Russert journalism Buzz cook Sep 2015 #52
Just guessing ...Kim Davis will be voting for Hillary? L0oniX Sep 2015 #54
A display of more awkwardness and lack of self identity Hollingsworth Sep 2015 #55
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
2. 'Center' = half Democrat and Half Republican
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:05 PM
Sep 2015

Given 99% of the nations problems are caused by right wing policies, why would any sane Democrat claim to be half Republican

Someone needs to ask her, "Which Republican policies do you support and why?

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
4. That third way shit is only for politicians who don't believe in their party's principles.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:09 PM
Sep 2015

It's cowardly and only wins in times when conservatives have held power for a long time like going into a fourth term like 1992 in the US or 1997 in the UK.

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
3. Nobody is inspired by moderates. We live in times that demand action on big issues Obama showed us
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:06 PM
Sep 2015

that. Hillary and Jeb on the republican side are boring and represent the past. Hillary's moderation is a throwback to the 90's when the center was further right but now we live in a time where the center is further left. She's out of step and that's why she's losing. If she wanted to be president this badly she should've ran in 2004 when she could've won and people would've flocked to her.

Baitball Blogger

(46,646 posts)
5. Sadly, what usually happens when people say they try to bring people together
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:18 PM
Sep 2015

to get something done, it usually means that due diligence is going to be kicked to the curb.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
47. Right, and the intersection where centrist Dems and Republicans...
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 06:54 PM
Sep 2015

can get something done, is strictly limited to the wishes of their corporate donors. No thanks to that.

Baitball Blogger

(46,646 posts)
53. You just never realize how far the power of the executive office has on local issues,
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:24 PM
Sep 2015

until you get steam-rolled by their large campaign donors.

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
7. When you get "people" together, somehow the Democratic people always get screwed.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:22 PM
Sep 2015

And with Hillary in the White House, that certainly won't change.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
8. I wonder if her supporters will now stop claiming that she's liberal
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:17 PM
Sep 2015

It would be a time saver to stop seeing that ridiculous fantasy posted.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
23. +1 But, but they've got evidence!
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 10:37 PM
Sep 2015

Unfortunately, everything but the candidate's own words, actions, and policies.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
40. We already know Clinton's own statements won't change their mind on other issues.
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 03:36 PM
Sep 2015

Why would this be any different?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
42. As I noted a few days ago, HRH could have an hour-long televised sit-down
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 04:46 PM
Sep 2015

with DicKKK Cheney where they barbequed live kittens together and the Hillionaires would find ways to spin/deny/deflect/explain it all away.

It's sad, really.

jalan48

(13,831 posts)
10. The problem is that moderate these days means 80's Republican.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:36 PM
Sep 2015

We've gone far enough right. It's time for Democrats to become Democrats again.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
14. What, in your estimation, were the three most important things she got done?
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:49 PM
Sep 2015

Anyone else is invited to answer the question, too.

Only positive things, please!

paleotn

(17,870 posts)
20. Bringing working class Americans
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 10:29 PM
Sep 2015

"together" with Wall Street financial sharks. Oh, that will work our really well. We'll take a middle approach on only half screw the average American. Gotcha.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
46. Yes but the wrong things. If you haven't noticed we have a 22% of American children living in
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 06:39 PM
Sep 2015

poverty. Someone has not been getting the correct things done. We are losing jobs to China and our environment is being decimated for oil company profits. She helped get the Iraq War "done". Thanks a lot.

We need change from the Oligarchy run government and she is not going to do it.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
12. To many Democrats 'moderate' can equate to 'wishy washy and unprincipled'
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:47 PM
Sep 2015

well, I guess truth in advertising



 

lobodons

(1,290 posts)
13. Just like the GOP needs Teabaggers to win elections
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:48 PM
Sep 2015

The Dems will need Bernie Progressives both locally and nationally to win elections.

thesquanderer

(11,966 posts)
15. Calling yourself moderate may help in the general...
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:54 PM
Sep 2015

...but makes it harder to get there.

I guess she's confident enough about winning the nomination to risk that. Sounds like she's playing the long game, already running her November campaign.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
51. I think she's just realized she can't hold the left flank
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 07:01 PM
Sep 2015

so she's doubling down on what she wants to be viewed as the moderate center (it's really corporatism masquerading as centrism).

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
16. Hillary is the CHAMPION of ????
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:56 PM
Sep 2015

She say's she's the champion of the middle class...
but won't yell at the "other side" to win the fight!

Go Bernie!

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
17. The mind of a true DCCC'er
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:57 PM
Sep 2015

The DLC and DCCC has turned the Clintons into someone I know longer recognize. Is she really idiotic enough to think that Repugs will work with her? They will treat her as bad if not worse than Obama.

paleotn

(17,870 posts)
24. We know exactly what happens to "moderate" Dems....
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 10:40 PM
Sep 2015

....they get slaughtered in the general. How many times have we seen some blue dog, DCCC Dem get crushed by a Republican wackaloon, so insane they're barely functional? More than a few times. If you don't fire up your own side, you lose, period, end of story. What little momentum or buzz there is doesn't carry over to those who pay little attention to day to day politics and they stay home. The base is lukewarm and many of them fail to vote as well. The right wing nuts do turn out and we end up with the Congress and state houses we currently have. Firing up the base put Barrack Obama in the White House twice. Hillary Clinton....no student of political history is she.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
34. Hillary, you're not preventing people from standing on opposite sides yelling at each other.....
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 12:14 AM
Sep 2015

You're standing on their side claiming you're not with us.

You tell them you don't know us. You aren't like us.

....and you know what?

They STILL hate you.

BTW: You're supposed to have OUR backs. We're not supposed to have yours.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
35. It's the whole "Imperial Presidency" thing
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 12:35 AM
Sep 2015

The people in the beltway have forgotten that they are public servants. They don't think enough of us down here on the ground to actually consider having our backs.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
36. Perhaps because we vote the same
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 01:04 AM
Sep 2015

crooks in over and over - as long as they have a D after their name. Sure they take us for granted.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
37. That's certainly been a problem
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 01:09 AM
Sep 2015

But maybe we're growing past that. Hard to say, lots of entrenched interests and bad power players to uproot.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
38. Some of her fans are acting like it's a "loyalty to the Party issue"....
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 02:21 AM
Sep 2015

The Clintons don't OWN the Democratic Party.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
39. I am so sick and tired of Democrats...
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:45 AM
Sep 2015

…who insist that a failure to stand up for basic, Progressive, core Democrat-party principals--is simply compromise.

Bullshit.

Republicans don't compromise. Do you ever hear conservative Republicans telling their party faithful to back down on being pro-life because it's so important compromise and get things done?

Hell no!

Do you think any Republicans tell their evangelical wing that they must tone down the God stuff so Democrats will like us and work with us?

The Democrats in our party who suggest that we must work together--always cave. Compromise is code for--Republicans win and Democrats fold.

We have a two-party system for a reason. It's ok to debate, discuss and listen. It's ok to be somewhat flexible on some things. However, when it comes to your core principals--you fight. We elected you to FIGHT--not play footsie with a bunch of extremist, right-wing, nut job, Fox-watching derelicts!

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
45. Hell I'm a moderte too -- That's why I support Bernie
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 04:57 PM
Sep 2015

Sanders is trying to drag the political/economic system back to a true centr, where there are checks and balances to restrain the gred and lust for poser of the already powerful, where the middle class can survive and where the poor are given support and opportunity to rise.

In order to be a rel moderate these days, it's necessary to shake the system loose from the stranglehold.

 

Hollingsworth

(88 posts)
55. A display of more awkwardness and lack of self identity
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:34 PM
Sep 2015

Earlier in the summer she was an echo of what Bernie and Warren were saying, a mimic of their ideas they have held for many, many years.

And now she decides that isn't working (people were actually laughing at her poor attempt of rewriting history) and retreats to the center.

This is not the comport of a successful campaign. She seems to be flailing around trying to hit any lucky spot and that is a sign of confusion and weakness.

Disclaimer: This does not mean I hate Hillary Clinton. This is an observation of a political candidate.

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