Not many hate Hillary, certainly not Sanders supporters

[reddread]

but we do love our country, our neighbors and our friends and family.
they deserve nothing but the best, and we have a great opportunity before us.

[NorthCarolina]

1. I don't "hate" Hillary, how could I, I've never even met her.

However, I do NOT agree with her positions on the major issues important to me, whereas Bernie hits all the high notes for me. It's really that simple. Nothing more, nothing less.

[orpupilofnature57]

2. + 1000

[reddread]

3. exactly, thank you for cutting to the chase

this "HATE!" meme should be the last straw.
certainly scraping bottom, with nothing of weight to offer.
but they do build some wonderful constructs and men with all that straw.

[NorthCarolina]

5. They only delude themselves. eom

[reddread]

6. anyone if not everyone's achille's heel

they surely do.

[restorefreedom]

17. very well put

but some are not able to see the difference. they think pointing out the flaws in their third way candidate is a personal attack.

just another way to avoid real issues, which their candidate sucks on.

sad.

[peacebird]

27. Agree 100%

[daleanime]

31. Exactly.....

[840high]

53. ...+1

[beam me up scottie]

4. Dismissing valid criticism of Hillary as hate is a good way to avoid addressing the issues.

Some people hate her but most of us don't, we just don't think she's the best candidate.

[NorthCarolina]

7. Ever wonder WHY nobody ever discusses issues?

Simple answer is..they can't. I had a response from ONE lonely brave Hillary supporter who responded on the issues here on DU, including why they didn't like the idea of raising the income cap to help fund Social Security and raising taxes on the wealthy to fund infrastructure, etc.

I respected his positions as his choice, but they were not reflective of my personal positions, nor of those held by most Americans as evident from polling and common sense. I wish I had saved a link to his/her responses though, and my post that they responded to has long since disappeared from my posts tab so I'm not sure how I could recover it at this point. It was truly a great detailed response though...a laid bare moment, but it didn't really tell me anything that I didn't already suspect to be the case.

[beam me up scottie]

8. Exactly.

Most of the people who claim Hillary is the best candidate can't explain why when you ask they about the issues.

For example why would a pro-environment voter choose Hillary?

Or someone who is anti-death penalty?

Makes no sense.

[NorthCarolina]

10. Also why the number of debates is so limited.

All is fair in protecting the status quo.

[artislife]

13. There is a H supporter

with a NO TPP image in their sig line.


Really! Blows my mind.

[beam me up scottie]

14. And one with a 'Stop Keystone XL' button in their sig line.

[artislife]

15. It makes me wonder

if they understand the issues at all.

[beam me up scottie]

16. Or if they really care about them.

For some people certain causes are just a fad.

[NorthCarolina]

49. Window dressing. eom

[Cal33]

42. By the way, "raising taxes on the wealthy" means trying to persuade them to pay their fair share.

Most of the superrich are paying a lower percentage of their income in taxes than their employees do,
because of all the loopholes. The superrich are actually on welfare. They are shameless. We are only
asking them to pay the same rate of taxes as their secretaries do. They are avoiding even this!!!

[NorthCarolina]

51. Of course, they travel in circles

that consider themselves elevated above the general population. To them the have nots are just lazy good for nothings that suffer their plight by their own making. this includes both those born into elitehood, and those that gained prominence through political graft and connections.

[NorthCarolina]

56. The ones that really get me

are the companies that pay no taxes and yet receive a refund. Wish I had access to those tax rules.

[Cal33]

59. Yes, I've heard of them, too. These crooks believe in robbing the poor to feed the rich.

[jwirr]

9. And the ones who hate her are the Rs and they make

not bones about it. For most of us in the Democratic Party the choice of nominee comes down to issues. And we may passionately disagree but we seldom get down to the the level of hate.

I do not hate Hillary. I just agree with Bernie.

[beam me up scottie]

11. They also claim every article critical of Hillary is a right wing hit piece.

There's a lot of reasons why so many on the left oppose her and they have nothing to do with hate, misogyny or her husband.

[jwirr]

36. Exactly. I don't think they understand that all those

articles we see against her on the rw are relevant because they are just the tip of the iceberg that we will see if she is the nominee. They speak to the issue of electability.

RW followers are easily led and will believe anything they are told. And they are not the only ones - many people we see double what she is getting now in the general and many who are not rw will believe it.

These are issues that effect who our nominee should be. And yes I don't think any of it is true but with a lot of voters truth means nothing.

[Rose Siding]

43. Plenty of hit pieces on the left

The NYT has a jones on and whisper corrections on smear pieces.

[Puglover]

25. The same thing happened with President Obama.

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I think if anyone does a search on this board (I am sure no one is interested in doing that) I actually have not criticized the man all that much. And yet according to some I am/ was a "hater".

If Hillary gets the nod I will vote for her but I won't endure a 2nd round of that bullshit. We are moving out of the country in very short order and the last thing I am going to do in paradise is marinate in juvenile horseshit like that.

[beam me up scottie]

54. No kidding.

Any criticism of Obama is characterized as hate by certain DUers.

They don't want people to remember how they treated lgbt DUers who criticized him over marriage equality.

But we're the intolerant ones.

[NorthCarolina]

12. Then why did Sanders supporters boo Hillary at the Labor day parade?

Oh wait...it was the other way around. Sorry for the mixup.

[gateley]

21. ...

[phleshdef]

18. I have no ill feelings toward Hillary Clinton. But Bernie wins me over and thats that.

We shouldn't get into intra-party sniping, just let it all play out and vote our heart.

[gateley]

22. That's a nice approach in a perfect world...

But it might come down to me NOT voting my heart. If my candidate isn't the nominee and I'm not wild about the Democrat who is, I'm voting for the Nominee regardless of my feelings. I keep saying the Perot supporters lost their voice in choosing their preference between Bush or Clinton, because they voted their hearts/made a statement by voting for their candidate of choice even though he was essentially out of the picture.

Especially with the Right becoming so fucking insane, we need to be pragmatic. Do what we can to get our candidate nominated, if not successful, do what we can to keep the Republican from dancing into the Oval Office. And forget the Perot example, look at what happened to our country when the House became Republican. *shudder*

[Hollingsworth]

19. Hate is a very personal emotion toward someone.

I extremely dislike some of the decisions Hillary has made and some of the things she has said. That does not make me a hater of her personhood. This is politics.

[Reter]

20. I can't stand her and I won't vote for her

But I don't hate her.

[Douglas Carpenter]

23. there just are not many people I hate - and rarely over politics

My recently and dearly departed Aunt Betty was a Pat Robertson type/John Bircher type rightwing Republican. And I did not hate her. I can't see hating Hillary. When I see certain rightwing attacks on her I instinctively want to come to her defense.

But she is not a Social-Democrat. Bernie Sanders is. And Social-Democracy is the last best hope for mankind. What kind of future will be have without it?

[wyldwolf]

24. that must be why Sanders supporters spread every unsubstantiated rumor about her,

use right wing sources to denigrate her, and when these 'scandals' are debunked, either deny it or appear visibly disappointed.

[DinahMoeHum]

29. Where's your proof on this?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

[wyldwolf]

30. I'll start here

An embrace of 'Clinton Cash' by Peter Schweizer, a book the author later admitted to contain outright fabrications.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026535778
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026538698

Would you like more?

[DinahMoeHum]

55. I presume you're talking about certain Sanders supporters here on DU. . .

. . .and not about Sanders' own campaign people. Correct?

I don't read every thread about Sanders or HRC here on DU, so I'm not too familiar with this shit.

Also, I don't pay much attention to polls at this point.

The "Fat Lady" (primary voting and delegate issuances) doesn't start singing until January 2016, when Iowa voters have their caucuses. Until then, AFAIC, everything else is irrelevant.

[daleanime]

32. Is that what I'm supposed to do?

Wish someone had told me. Must have missing that memo.

[wyldwolf]

34. Only you can decide to join other Sanders supporters

[daleanime]

35. Wouldn't they be joining me?

Now I'm just confused, would it be inappropriate to say that I don't want to vote for someone who supported these senseless wars?

[wyldwolf]

37. Not unless you're some kind of trendsetter

[daleanime]

39. Almost feel like I am....

I came out of the closet as a Democratic Socialist a few years back.

[wyldwolf]

40. wow! You started a movement

[daleanime]

44. Of people around me, yes I have.....

isn't that how grassroots work?

[reddread]

57. those little cues that tell so much

what if it is simply genetic?
I believe it comes down to an inability to see outside their box and recognize the broader realities.
What if they cant?
I would hate to think the perspective is mostly that of people who would dominate and oppress according to their preferences or opportunities.

but there may well be a few of those out there.
the people are sick of it all.
they need only a vehicle and a venue.

[AgingAmerican]

61. And visa versa

I don't recall Sanders supporters calling her a racist, do you?

[bigwillq]

26. Hillary just doesn't appeal to me at all.

I don't hate her. I really don't hate anyone.

[DinahMoeHum]

28. I don't hate her, although I support Sanders.

I've met her in person, back when she ran for Senate. She's very affable, on a one-by-one basis.

Her campaigners, though, are another matter. I fear that her camp is making the same mistakes they did back in 2008; that is, they are taking this nomination for granted, and they're writing off certain constituents. Obama's people made no such mistakes back then - the reason I supported Obama even though my state went for HRC was that Obama's camp was employing Howard Dean's "50 State Strategy", and HRC's camp wasn't.

Hillary supporters, please listen up: this Democratic nomination is up for grabs. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING is written that she is going to get this nomination just. like. that. She will have to earn it.

Having said this, if she does win the nomination, I will support her completely for the general election, because there is no fucking way I will "pull the lever" for a GOoPer for POTUS anytime soon or in the future.

[darkangel218]

33. I don't "hate" Hillary as a person. I just could never support her in her run for POTUS. Nt

[Evergreen Emerald]

38. There sure is alot of ugly hateful vitrol coming from people

who claim not to "hate." The complete lack of self-awareness is astonishing.

[wyldwolf]

41. In their minds, it doesn't rise to the level of hate until someone sends threatening mail...

... oh, wait.

[rock]

45. Wow! What a surprise!

That you would try to sell such tripe.

[reddread]

46. how kind of you to say

there is plenty of hate on the market,
its not us.

[rock]

47. I'm objecting to your use of "not many"

You may be completely without hate.

[reddread]

48. "tripe"?

that is definitely not love in your statement, directed personally at me.
make yourself comfortable, and
have it both ways.

[rock]

50. It wasn't

but it's beginning to.

[Hortensis]

52. Agree. It may be time to climb out of the hole back into the light.

[liberal_at_heart]

58. I have no room to hate. All the room in my mind is being filled with pure

excitement for how well Bernie is doing! I've been away from Democratic Underground for a while, but I keep seeing all these news stories about how well Bernie is doing and I just had to come back and check things out. Go Bernie!

[Bobbie Jo]

60. Ok

[Metric System]

62. You wouldn't know it looking around DU.