Bernie refuses to attack Hillary. Hillary refuses to attack Bernie. They're setting a great example.

[RBInMaine]

Bernie refuses to attack Hillary and tells the corporate media right to their faces that this campaign needs to be about substance and not a "soap opera" or "baseball game". And Hillary is not attacking Bernie.

I lean toward Hillary, but I really like Bernie too.


Hillary came right out of the American middle class raised by a mother who came from poverty and abandonment.

She has fought endlessly for women and children, was a good First Lady, a good Senator, and a very good Secretary of State. Is she a purist? No. My goodness, so few politicians and human beings are completely pure. Is she generally PROGRESSIVE, you bet your ass she is, and the Mount Everest of her record proves it beyond any argument. To say Hillary Clinton is "conservative" or "right wing" or any of that is just not so, and I think Bernie would totally agree.

There is a VERY good chance Hillary will be the nominee. And I like her because she is STRONG, takes the fight HARD to the RePUKES, and would be a good president. She is BRILLIANT and VERY WELL QUALIFIED.

Also, again, I really like Bernie Sanders and agree with him on most issues and, again, will support Bernie if he is nominated. I don't have a bad thing to say about him and never have. (Yes, I have pointed out some issues around his viability, but nothing negative. Just some political analysis. NO attacks.)

So, as Bernie says, "enough is enough" and let's end the "negative campaigning", let's end the drama, and let's see the best in ALL of our candidates and not the worst. Let's follow their example.

[mcar]

1. We have excellent candidates RB

[hollysmom]

2. would that their followers took that as an example.

at the end we need to come together to elected a better congress, no staying away from the polls should be our goal.

[randys1]

3. I highly suggest everyone read this OP and take it to heart. "Enough is Enough"

[artislife]

4. Hmm...this seems to be like your other OP

but only if one is paying attention.

[TM99]

5. Your last post on this topic was locked as Meta.

I see you have cleaned it up, yet the subtext remains. So I will edit and give you the reply I was going to give you in the other thread.

Bernie still criticizes Clinton and her policies and positions. So do his supporters. Sadly, y'all assume that all criticisms are 'hate' or 'attacks'.

Furthermore, supporters are not expected to avoid 'negative campaigning' as we are not the ones doing the campaigning. We are the ones who must analyze, criticize, judge, and ultimately decide who is the better candidate.

Let's get one of your lies cleared up right away. Hillary Clinton most certainly does attack Sanders. She does it passive aggressively through surrogates. This has been going on now for a few months.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-2016-proxies-attack-bernie-sanders-213359

As for the rest of your OP:

Yes, on the one hand, she has done some good for women and children in those roles. And on the other hand, her decisions and positions have done equally great harm to them just as much - mass incarceration and support of the private prison industry, her disastrous position on the Iraq War, and her support of TPP are just some of the examples.

Yes, she is intelligent - I would not say 'brilliant'. Has anyone said or implied otherwise?

I see her supporters constantly say that she is 'strong'. I disagree. Strong leaders do not test the wind to see if it is A-OK to now hold the position that LGBT persons deserve full civil rights and have for decades. Strong leaders do not lie or make up shit to make themselves look good or to avoid looking bad. Strong leaders are not duped by lying psychopaths who were expressively gung-ho for war before they took office only looking for any and every excuse to push for one. I could go on.

So, no, I will not stop pointing out her very big negatives. There are enough of them over the decades of her public service to make me confident in my prediction that if she is the Democratic nominee, then the Democrats will NOT keep the White House in 2016.

You and others can continue to call it 'hate' or 'attacks' or whatever over and over again. Yet, many of us feel we are under no obligation to not discuss these very real negatives. Drop the 'attacks', 'hate', etc. language, and you might notice the drama decrease.

[Frances]

6. I don't think it's necessary to respond in a negative fashion

Just say I disagree on these issues and list them.

I think the original poster is saying that is what Bernie does and what his supporters should be doing.

IMO that is a much better way to win more supporters for Bernie.

The same goes for Clinton or O'Malley supporters.

[TM99]

8. Your concern is duly noted.

It is a strawman and a made up issue that is pushed here daily.

We, supporters, have nothing that we 'should be doing' to fix a problem that is not real.

I look forward to your criticisms of 'negative' posts from the Clinton supporters as well. Oh, wait, perhaps you could start with this one which is a rehash of a 'hate' OP that was locked as meta not two hours ago.

[Frances]

12. I like Bernie

but I think some of his supporters will turn other potential supporters off, especially if they have a better than you attitude

Just not the way to win over the majority of Democratic voters

[Hollingsworth]

17. and vice versa

But really, I don't believe some scrapping on a forum is going to change much minds one way or the other. The candidates are who they are and if someone changes their mind because some stranger behind a keyboard said something unkind, that person doesn't have much cred.

Issues and records and history is what matters and those are what should be judged. Not wailing boo boos from a stranger somewhere you don't know.

[rhett o rick]

11. I think his response was to the message made clear in the before version that Sanders supporters

are bad and Clinton supporters are not bad and Sanders supporters should clean up their act. I see that OP as ironic.

I don't disagree that we shouldn't be fighting among ourselves. However, some of us, at least myself, see this election as a turning point. The last 40 years has seen the 1% drain the wealth from the middle and lower classes, thrown many of us in jail on a drug war pretense, sent our children and loved ones to die for their profits, and now they found out that they can get trillions out of us by having a bank crisis. And the status quo, establishment politicians have, not just stood by, but added the looting.

I am tired of the crooked shenanigans being pulled by the Oligarch controlled DNC/ Democratic Elites to guarantee a nomination of H. Clinton. I am tired of listening to those that are blind to what has been happening and pretend that the growing poverty rate doesn't exist. I am tired of sending our loved ones off to wars for corporate profits and then throwing them into the streets to survive when they come home. I want change. The country needs change from the Oligarchy controlled government.

The revolution is here, pick a side.

[Frances]

13. I have a picked a side

It is the Democratic side

I don't want any more Republican Supreme Court Justices

I will support Bernie if he is the nominee, but it will be in spite of many of his supporters

[rhett o rick]

16. There is no Democratic side to the class war. While all Republicons are on the side of the 1%,

some Democrats also side with the 1%. For instance the Republicons are tickled to death and side with Obama and Clinton on wanting the job killing TPP while the progressives and unions do not want the TPP. There are clearly two wings of the Democratic Party, the progressive wing and the non-progressive wing.

It's easy to tell which side you are on. The non-progressive side likes fracking because the oil companies make big profits. The non-progressives also like to send jobs overseas and allow big pharma to overprice our drugs. They also put profits before environment. Non-progressives like wars to enrichen the MIC.

So whose side are you on? The progressives or non-progressives? The 1% or the 99%. The Sanders/Warren Wing or the Obama/Clinton wing?

[Vattel]

14. excellent post

[HereSince1628]

7. Yes & if the paid surrogates do the same this could be the best primary ever

[liberal_at_heart]

15. +1

[arely staircase]

9. I agree with everything you wrote in this post nt

[mhatrw]

10. Look for Clinton attacks against Sanders in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...