A sober look at Sander's Greensboro, NC rally...
...the turnout at Sanders' Greensboro rally is being reported at 9,100, for an arena that seats 23,000.
...and the photos being posted in the BERNIE SANDERS group show an overwhelmingly white crowd.
That tells me that Sanders still has a challenge in expanding his voter base.
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Read what I wrote again.
The people that claim to be Democrats but despise traditional Democratic policies can't stand to see their rightward pull get dragged back towards the left. That's why they think "Socialist" is such a boogeyman, they hate actual progressive ideals. Funny, the Republicans thought calling Obama a Socialist would work, and our very own Third Wayers think it will work against Bernie
i'm 6'4" with a full head of hair... 
That's a new one, smearing Sanders through association with YOU.
are big time big wig donors.
but it was a post that was in unison with what was being discussed. It is easy to do, but like you, I believe in respecting the safe places!
So, I rolled my eyes, laughed, and went on with my day.
This is what I imagine is happening on the other side of the street.
It's 'touching', in a way....
BTW, somebody should register that domain.
They just can't help themselves. 
A presumption I do not share
That reply is gonna be tough to top!
You are so funny!!
Wish we had a tap dancing one ....
all our sig lines?
Just joking...but it would be funny.
And probably banned for it.
I am sad there weren't boatloads of Latinos, but I will get over it.
Because I know Bernie has his work cut out for him, but I believe he will do it! This is the first of many rallies in the South.
But Bernie is the racist!! Too bad he can't go to his old church and start preaching, you know, not being someone who
understands "values voters"! 
I think I am just too righteously angry this election season to sit down and shut the fuck up even they I am sure there are some here who wish I would!
Thanks.
Feel better.
The Bern has that effect on some people.
The OP wasn't about "alienation from the political process," though, was it? No, it wasn't--not at all!
Had it been, I might have emphasized that bit.
The OP was about demographics, and an astounding number of participants in this thread seemed to be insinuating that the poster was prevaricating, so I provided a link--from the very city where the event took place, no less-- that proved otherwise.
And look at the shade I get for bringing a fact to the table!
smh!
"derangement."
I think you're the one who needs to "feel better."
Or not!
They say way more about you than you apparently realize!
I get plenty of rest, dear--it's why I don't feel a need to insult people on the internet, you see!
Pro Tip for your future reference--not everyone is in your time zone, which means you're not the center of the universe, either!
95. Get some rest, maybe Hillary's numbers will have improved by morning.
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Or not!
And call me in the morning.
Or are you busily playing the "team spirit" game, here? Is that it? Rah, rah? Or you want to be sure I have these CBS results for the two small, white states that kick off the primaries, is that it?
I knew that you favored Senator Sanders already--you don't have to tout him to me. I also knew that he has many fans in rural, gun-loving, predominantly white states.
But I see that you're not interested in, or perhaps fearful of, talking about the subject of the thread, apparently?
That's fine. If you can't or won't address the OP, I certainly won't try to bully you--you can stop worrying, now.
With every post, though, you reveal so much more than you plan on doing...!
Do go on if you've a mind!
HOW DARE THOSE WHITE PEOPLE LIVE THERE???
AND TO MAKE IT EVEN WORSE THEY'RE VOTING FOR BERNIE TOO!!1!
They should be ashamed of themselves!
Bad white states! Bad white Democrats! Bad bmus for making MADem has a sadz!
The rest of your post, though....hmmm.
Baby talk, too! Is that how you get people to take you seriously?
What interesting comments in response to facts:
120. Ah, you still has Bernie envy?
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two small, white states
I also knew that he has many fans in rural, gun-loving, predominantly white states.
HOW DARE THOSE WHITE PEOPLE LIVE THERE???
They should be ashamed of themselves.
Bad white states! Bad white Democrats! Bad bmus for making MADem has a sadz!
Here's the thing, you see--I'm happy you have a candidate to love! Knock yourself out...that's the joy of small 'd' democracy. But you might want to quit while you're behind. You're not covering yourself in glory with some of those remarks.
And you guys aren't going to ruin it by playing where's Waldo with the crowds.
Thanks for playing though, it's been ... enlightening watching certain HC supporters show their true colours.
Keep it classy!
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Nice try, nowhere did I equate "POC" with "poor." Nice spin there, you do tend to read a lot into a persons post that isn't there don't you? I asked how many POC or Latinos attend the OPs exclusive salons for Hillary , since he just like you, seems to count the minorities in the pictures. I may have to start counting too. But I'm still curious, why hasn't Hillary brought in those "many minorities (who )feel alienated from the political process"? Got an answer there? I don't have to prove that assertion, I quoted
All candidates hold fundraisers. This might be news to you, but really--they do.
Fundraisers, which are usually by invitation, are often, though not always, distinct from voter outreach. Since you're so concerned about the racial/ethnic makeup of these "salons" you keep whining about (and I'm not), I think you are the one who needs to do the homework, there. Then you can give me your "gotcha."
You're a grown up, if you really wanted to see HRC, you can check a schedule as well as the next person.
DUers enjoy the gift of literacy, they can see what you said and how you said it.
So glad you're "done" since you didn't take the point anyway.
298. You found the article and quoted it. Hillary has exclusive salons that people do pay
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high fees to attend. I'm a middle class Latina and I can't afford to attend those "little salons" .That's my experience and nowhere did I equate "POC" with "poor." That's my experience and like me, maybe other minorities and POC can't afford it either . Quite a stretch you put on my words there. Here's a disclaimer, I do donate monthly to Bernie's campaign but no where near what the OP donates to Hillary.
I'm still curious since you and the OP and and a few others are keeping track of the ethnic breakdown of people at Bernie's events. What is the ratio of whites to minorities and POC that attend these salons? Got an answer to that? I know that "our resident 1% DUer" as he is fond of calling himself knows the breakdown. After all he posts OPs about them. I'm also still curious as to why Hillary hasn't brought in those "many minorities (who )feel alienated from the political process"?
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194. "many minorities feel alienated from the political process" Why hasn't Hillary brought them back in?
Maybe they can't afford $2700 to get into a salon to hob nob with her. I wonder what the ratio of POC or Latinos is to whites in those? How come no one ever posts a picture of those events?
By the way. to attend an exclusive salon with Hillary, $2700 is one price that has been bandied about. You are going off in every direction to avoid my questions so I think I'm done with your deflection game.
That crowd can't be representative of New York. No way in hellMaybe some southerners never travel that far north.
and then ignores all the posts showing it to be a lie, whether inadvertently or on purpose and leaves it there that shows me her big donors are nervous.
Bashed Bernie!!1!
And yes, they're getting desperate, I can't wait to see what else they try.
They weren't marches, initially, they were sit-ins.
This is not a good tan:
That is the guy who conceived of the movement, Rev. Dr. William Barber.
These are not good tans up on that dais of organizers, either:
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Moral Monday came out of black objections to injustice. Many white people joined in once the effort got off the ground, but the instigators, the organizers, and the heart and soul of the movement was born black.
so don't fucking tell me, when I was there. The early MM protesters in Raleigh were primarily older and lily-white: inside-the-Beltine types, liberal Pullen Baptist Church congregants, and Durham and Chapel Hill *commies.* Word got out, and the crowds eventually became younger, and much more diverse. Protesters congregated on the mall adjacent to the legislative building to hear Reverend Barber and others, then marched into the building, where they were arrested for protesting, displaying signs, and refusing to disperse. Those who didn't wish to be arrested marched over to the side of the legislative building, chanting, and waiting for the buses holding arrestees to take off for processing. Republicans took over the state in 2012 and swiftly passed VERY damaging legislation -- Moral Mondays is the response. School vouchers, voting rights, workers' rights, womens' rights, no Medicaid expansion, marriage equality, and fracking and the environment were some of the featured topics. It's quite amusing that you think you know it all up in MA or wherever the hell you are, but listen for a change... I was there.
HKonJ is a different beast. I specifically stated early Moral Mondays marches, but thank you for the lecture from afar.
Good grief. The leader and organizer of the movement, the Rev. Dr. Barber, is an NAACP leader who is not a white person. The protest schedule was disseminated from the NAACP website.
Just don't do that. It's not a good look. Certainly, white people participated, but the genesis of the movement was from an NAACP leader and minister who is a black man.
http://www.thefeministwire.com/2013/07/3-reasons-why-you-should-be-paying-attention-to-moral-mondays-in-north-carolina/
http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/the-ripple-effect-naacps-barber-and-civil-disobedience-in-raleigh/Content?oid=3633842
in suggesting that I am. The early marches were predominantly older and white. Word got out. Crowd size increased dramatically. Younger. More racially diverse. White collar, blue collar, no collar. It was a thing of beauty. Interestingly, though, DU took very little interest in it. And leave it to you to create division in something where there was nothing but unity, Go, Hillary!
skills.
The MM movement had its genesis in the leadership of the NAACP's Rev. Dr. William Barber. The resources of that organization were used to publicize and promote the movement. The fact that the movement's purpose and goals resonated across racial lines was most certainly a thing of beauty, and all that came from the mind and heart of this man:
Perhaps you should work on your comprehension skills, and your bizarre tendency to POUNCE on anyone you disagree with.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10692812
Old white guy alert!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10692943
Unity, not division. Some of DU's select groups should learn from Reverend Barber and the good people of North Carolina.
Or is Arkansas no longer "the South" too?
He IS a millionaire; he’s a big-time donor who dined (alone, he’ll have you know, just the men and their wives) WITH BERNIE and gives lots of money to the Party. So he is in a better position than us to prognosticate because you know, people with money are ALWAYS right. 
Ah, the good ol' SATC days...
and compare how many Latinos and POC are there compared to the White attendees. Thanks in advance
What a sobering crowd.
First, it's massively insulting.
Second, you apparently haven't bothered looking at pictures of the crowd at Clinton events.
Here's Clinton in Little Rock, posing with the volunteers at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner. Little Rock is about 40% African-American.
So, do you really want to play "count the black people"? 'Cause we can do that if you want. Plenty more pictures where that one came from.
Or we could not be assholes. Your call.
Bernie would be the best possible president for African Americans. Even better than dear President Obama, whom I worked to elect and whom I care for very much. But Bernie can do what Barack couldn't, because Bernie is older and more experienced, tougher, focused, and unbelievably courageous. I've loved having President Obama, loved his persistence, heart, and unbroken dignity in the face of widespread racism. He has performed beautifully and made me very proud. I love his family, Michelle, Malia, and Sasha. I've especially enjoyed seeing how his ascendance to the presidency has strengthened and encouraged African Americans -- and also Black people throughout the world. Thank God for this; we needed it, the world needed it.
But Bernie can make a palpable difference for AAs, because his entire focus is on helping Americans who have been left out of all the spoils of our nation's riches. He cares about people who suffer in a corrupt and cold-hearted system. He has given his life to this cause. This is the moment when the hopes, dreams, and needs of people of color will join the dashed hopes and suffering of poor and working class whites to rise up together and take this nation back for those of us who were left out. Brotherhood and sisterhood is possible if we allow it. If we allow it.
We can seize this moment or let it pass. Let's seize it. 
They can't even count and btw WHITE PEOPLE!
And then the Bernistas pwned him.
Priceless!
Eta all the folks who rec'd it got pwnd too.
For some reason he's the only one to get this attention
That's pretty pathetic. Let it go folks... reflect on what you've done.
so you wouldn't confuse readers as to why there are so many posts contradicting it.
before getting to your correction.
If you post the correction as an UPDATE in the OP, you can save readers a bucketload of their time. but I suspect you already knew that and just buried the correction to save yourself some 
