Poll question: the 'single payer' talking point edition.

[Warren Stupidity]

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	I support expanding medicare to every citizen.
	29 (97%)
	I do not support expanding medicare to every citizen.
	1 (3%)
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[Agschmid]

1. Kick.

[upaloopa]

2. Another DU bubble poll

I support ice cream in every happy meal!
Anybody have any idea how to get single payer done? Any idea what it would take?

[Warren Stupidity]

3. every other modern democracy can afford this, we must be backwards as hell.

But you could just vote 'no', only you haven't so far.

[upaloopa]

8. You don't know what it takes

other countries do it so let's do it too

[Agschmid]

16. Yes...

Let's do it.

[Warren Stupidity]

20. uh yeah. You do know that other people have studied exactly what it takes, right?

It isn't rocket science. We have many test cases to choose from. They all work pretty well with pretty good results, and when compared to our hugely expensive mediocre system, they are all pretty much far less expensive and have much better measurable outcomes.

But never mind. You have your talking points and you are sticking to them.

[demmiblue]

4. Shite, even an oompa loompa would know what to do. n/t

[arcane1]

6. We can start by figuring out how everyone else manages to do it n/t

[upaloopa]

9. That is the first good reply I have read

I agree we should see how they do it. Also we should see what it would do to this country's existing system.

[arcane1]

10. It would put health insurance companies out of business. That's one good thing.

[upaloopa]

17. Over night you just shut them down

all their employees, all their supliers, all their in investors.
Who will administer single payer the next day?
You know Medicare is administered by a private corporation don't you?

[arcane1]

18. I don't see the phrase "over night" in my post.

Do you think we should have universal healthcare for every citizen?

[Warren Stupidity]

23. Administrative overhead 2% vs 17%, medicare vs private insurance.

So indeed even though medicare contracts out administration of claims processing, when for profit insurance is extracted from the system 15% of the administrative 'costs' go with it.

[Cheese Sandwich]

7. Yep. Just find out who's blocking it and push them out of the way.

[ibegurpard]

13. figuring out how to do it

Before you support it is putting the cart before the horse.

[jfern]

19. Lets look at Taiwan

They created single payer healthcare in 1995.
So what un-American model did they use for their single payer?
The US Medicare system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Taiwan

[Jim Lane]

33. How to get it done: same way we got Medicare done, through Presidential leadership

The crucial first step is to have a President who makes a push for it. That President might achieve only a partial success, or might not get anything, but at least the idea gains credibility. Then a later President signs the bill.

From "A brief history of Medicare in America":

But the idea for a national health plan didn’t gain steam until it was pushed by U.S. President Harry S. Truman. On November 19, 1945, seven months into his presidency, Truman sent a message to Congress, calling for creation of a national health insurance fund, open to all Americans.

The plan Truman envisioned would provide health coverage to individuals, paying for such typical expenses as doctor visits, hospital visits, laboratory services, dental care and nursing services. Although Truman fought to get a bill passed during his term, he was unsuccessful and it was another 20 years before Medicare would become a reality.

President John F. Kennedy made his own unsuccessful push for a national health care program for seniors after a national study showed that 56 percent of Americans over the age of 65 were not covered by health insurance. But it wasn’t until 1965 – after legislation was signed by President Lyndon B Johnson – that Americans started receiving Medicare health coverage.

So, "what it would take" is for supporters of Medicare for all to consider each of the candidates and ask how likely it is that that candidate, if elected, would send the message to Congress. Obviously that won't be enough by itself, but it's the first step.

[99Forever]

35. I love surrender monkeys.

Give up without even trying. Cowardice is such an attractive trait.

[arcane1]

5. Funny how we're somehow the only country who "can't afford" this.

One of the richest countries, but never enough money for anything.

[Scuba]

29. If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly ...

... just what is it the defense budget is defending.

[Enthusiast]

31. You win the internet today.

I have always wondered the very same thing. Seems like the only thing the military is defending are corporate interests or the profits of a few.

[PowerToThePeople]

11. Doubt the ring winger "Democratic member" clan will vote here. n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

15. Many of the HRC supporters here were for single payer before they suddenly were against it.

Which is sad. It really is ok to support a candidate and disagree with that candidate on some issues.

[PowerToThePeople]

21. I am for more strict gun regulation and/or bans than Sanders currently expresses

I can still support him based on other attributes.

[Warren Stupidity]

22. me too, and I won't blindly defend Sander's record on this.

But when I weigh the pros and cons of the positions Sanders holds vs Clinton, hands down Sander's is my first choice.

[arcane1]

24. Exactly. Same here. n/t

[sadoldgirl]

12. No, it has to go farther than

the present 80% for people, who have cancer or other
health problems that require heavy costs.
However, it would be the best first step we should
take.
It is strange that so many people resist the "Peter
has to help paying for Paul" system, when every
driver or house owner has to do the same thing
for those insurances.

[Warren Stupidity]

14. Oh I agree, I just wanted to keep the question as simple as possible.

[Fearless]

25. I support unversal singlepayer insurance. Medicare would need to be expanded

We don't need to need supplemental insurance just to make ends meet. We can do better.

[Warren Stupidity]

26. again, I agree, but I wanted to keep the choices as simple as possible.

[Fearless]

27. Duly noted

Though I cannot agree to Medicare for all... It's an easy way for people to understand and feel safe about single-payer plans, but it is far from a perfect plan.

[Scuba]

28. Complete list of countries that have rescinded national health coverage after enactment ...

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[Cheese Sandwich]

30. The Democratic Party can't come around to this position though

democracy gap

[area51]

32. Some FAQs on single-payer.

Here.

What congress needs is the political will to give up the gravy money-train.

[Warren Stupidity]

34. I find it utterly unsurprising that after

a day or two of "oh noes Bernie wants single payer" nobody voted against single payer.

[taught_me_patience]

36. I no longer support single payer

After seeing what it would cost in Vermont. It would be an additional 10%income tax and 10 %payroll tax. My wife and I are in small business. This tax would cost us 50k per year. Not worth it for us.

[TheKentuckian]

41. 10ish% percent to the insurance cartel and an employer mandate are groovy though, huh?

In Vermont the poor dears were facing a savings from existing system greater than cost.

This Bizzaro World nonsense that some way somehow we cannot afford to spend significantly less overall than we do now is standard rightist nonsense worldview stuff.

If you supported single payer before, what the hell were you expecting resourcing what now accounts for 17 or 18 percent of GDP and growing to run?

[Cheese Sandwich]

37. At least we found something we can (almost) all agree on

[SonderWoman]

38. Except the rich.

[Warren Stupidity]

39. What? Why? Universal healthcare is just that.

It is for everyone, not for everyone except some arbitrary definition of rich that politicians can use as a wedge to fracture support in the future. That is part of the genius of social security and medicare, we are all in the program.

[TheKentuckian]

40. I don't really believe Medicare is a best model for a universal health care system

I actually think that it is pushed for all but exclusively for marketing purposes because it is a popular and familiar government health coverage system not because of the plan design.

It is an 80/20 plan with no deductible with a pricey and dicey drug coverage that was put in place with the intent to help drown the proverbial pig in the bath while shutting us up about grandma eating cat food.

Call it whatever you want but we have to do better or most people actually will turn out to be worse off.

If we are going to actually base coverage off existing systems then VA, Tricare, and even Medicaid make more sense from an end user perspective.