2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Telegraph: Clinton's attack on Sanders has "backfired"
Hillary Clinton's allies use Jeremy Corbyn to attack their own socialist opponentHillary Clinton's allies are using Jeremy Corbyn's most controversial statements in an effort to attack their own socialist opponent in the US presidential election.
But their efforts appear to have backfired.
Dan Pfeiffer, a former senior aide to Barack Obama, said the attack was "clumsy" while Hilary Rosen, a Democrat strategist, called it an "odd move".
I am one who thinks Clinton should engage Sanders, but this is clumsy from her allies http://t.co/kTvbRnSRY6 via @HuffPostPol
Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) September 15, 2015
odd move. Looks to me like a play to Bernie's strength. "A Pro-Clinton Super PAC Is Going Negative On Bernie Sanders"http://t.co/WzHSI0Jsf8
Hilary Rosen (@hilaryr) September 15, 2015
Independent UK: Bernie Sanders slams 'vicious' attack from Clinton super PAC
Politics USA: Bernie Sanders Goes On The Attack After Pro-Clinton Super PAC Launches Smear Campaign
Examiner: The hypocrisy of David Brock's Clinton-supporting super PAC
CNN: Bernie Sanders ratchets up knocks on pro-Clinton super PACs
Clinton Surrogate David Brock Pleads with Base to Stick with Clinton
Time on David Brock: Meet Hillary Clintons Bulldog
Clinton surrogate David Brock: Supporting Warren is "Cynical" and "Misguided"
Brock Refuses To Apologize For His Dirty Work Linking Sanders To Hugo Chavez
Hillary Clinton and David Brock bending the rules on Campaign Finance and Dark Money
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)How many more days do you think this will fly?
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Im sure it wont be long.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Ive been staying away from the Hillary crap until about three days ago. It might feel like months for you. Perhaps if you go back to 08.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)until she repudiates her attack dogs operating on the fringes of the rules.
But that wouldn't be Clintonesque. Operating in the shadows is their MO.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Geez make shit up much?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And as this one coordinates directly with the Clinton campaign, she is the head person in control.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)how much $$$$ does the 'super PAC' have?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)in politics and how it is used to keep the focus OFF the issues that concern the American people. It can be USED over and over again, especially considering WHO was behind it and how he TRIED to hide his ID and keep the whole thing secret, which is what this money PERMITS.
This is destroying our electoral system. THAT is Bernie's message and THAT is how WE can use this as an example of how they are spending MILLIONS on these negative and deceptive, because it was, personal attacks and WHY we never have any substantive discussions about ISSUES.
I am so glad Brock was stupid enough to do this. Because he has provided a perfect example of the corrosive, destructive effects of money on our elections.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Brock seems to have become ""a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty"....doncha think?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Shades of 2008!
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Bernie?
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Their particular line of corporate Bull Shit any more.
Barky Bark
(70 posts)Brock is and always will be the turd on Clinton's shoes that she can't seem to get rid of.
pocoloco
(3,180 posts)ROFLMAO
OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)If you sleep with dogs you'll get fleas.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 16, 2015, 07:55 PM - Edit history (1)
Those of us who've been Progressive out here for Decades who know what Brock and the others she's hired for Millions to "glide path" Hillary" to the Presidency.
We are Skilled, we know how to Find Info to Counter Hillary from her past record and we are Dedicated to Bernie...and he doesn't have to PAY US! We are Dedicated, we are Smart and we Know Where to Look to find Real Information .....unlike Brock who is paid to do Disinformation! What a "FAIL" for Hillary to rely so heavily on the Corporations, Wall Street, Silicon Valley and Moles from the RW to Handle her Campaign.
She had a chance to do better and she Blew It. And, I say this as a huge Bill Clinton Supporter when he ran who thinks that both deserve a nice retirement babysitting for Charlotte and moving on with their lives. It's the Progressive Left of the Dem Party's Turn. We've worked for years supporting Candidates who Do Not support US and Instead Trash and Marginalize us in the Dem Party.
Hillary is Divisive and Bernie is Fresh and we know where he comes from and he will be the BEST against Donald Trump...because as a Fellow New Yorker Bernie knows how to FIGHT TOUGH down to the Wire! Bernie isn't going to be Marginalized ...because he is fighting for the Soul of the Democratic Party!
Feel the "Bern!"
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)DirtyHippyBastard
(217 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Bernie: This is my plan for XYZ, point 1, point 2, point 3, etc.
Trump: My plan is going to be terrific, greatly terrific, wait and see, it will be the most fantastic plan ever and make America great again.
And on to plan 2, 3, etc.
Trump will look like the complete idiot that he is.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)WILL? Will look like a complete idiot?
Anyone who has declared bankruptcy multiple times and then calls others "losers" already looks like a complete idiot.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)Yeah, I live in a weird neighborhood. Primarily old immigrant Catholic, with Muslims Hindus, Hispanic catholic, Lutherans , some Methodists, artists, anarchists, and the rest. Bernie"s message is wring loud and clear. Few trust her, and all are open to Bernie.
She's got money, we got people.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)and so far her leadership style makes me want to have a sex change operation, just so as to not be tainted by association ( being female like her).
The embarrassment of dealing with a female Nixon who isn't even very good at it....
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)No kidding.
You hit the mark, KoKo!
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)OxQQme
(2,550 posts)Mr Brock never fully sits in that chair through the whole scene.
Wassup with that?
MoveIt
(399 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I would think she had amateurs working for and with her..
Turns out they are just clueless idiots.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)this stuff really is turning many people off! I'm simply worn out by what our very own Democratic Party is doing and totally fed up that THEY don't seem to be a Party of "we the people" with a "big tent" anymore!
This is more than distressing and seems it will get worse as time goes by,
T_i_B
(14,738 posts)Specifically the Blairite wing of Labour, which has crashed spectacularly of late. That's why Jeremy Corbyn has got in as Labour leader.
My suggestion for US Democrats is to leave the "new" Labour sect behind until that wing of the UK Labour party gets it's own act together.
NonMetro
(631 posts)She's the middle class playing to the middle class, and he's a liberal. The contrast is obvious, and it's up to Democrats to decide which camp they want in 2016.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)She's in a class of her own. And desperate to climb out and up to something better.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)The people Scratching to get to the top, is the real reason for the defeat of the middle class .
But Bernie supporters and Hillary supporters can and should get along. We're all on the same bus here.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)They will for the Prez election....I HOPE! But they are competing against each other now.
The "It's Hillary's turn" and "She deserves it" attitude from her supporters are REAL turn offs. Totally undemocratic.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)We're not on the same bus. If Sanders is the solution to a problem in the direction and formulation of the current Democratic party qua progressivism, then Hillary is that problem personified...it's nigh impossible to get along with supporters of the standard-bearer of that status-quo. Hillary is the enemy of progressive values in Democratic politics...we shouldn't get along, this a war for the direction of the future of this party and progressive values.
This is the face of my true enemy.
She is my enemy before all others. After she is vanquished, we will take on all lesser comers in our path.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The middle class goes to open public events, like the one Clinton canceled in Dallas to make more room for an exclusive fundraiser.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)a thousand times "yes"!
Brock totally fumbled his widespread (re)introduction to the American public. His first impression oozes tawdry. He won't shake that impression, for background there's his career that he documented in his fascinating book, Blinded by the Right.
He's Mudslinger 2.0, now allied with the Clinton campaign, and oh my what an unfortunate association that is to have. Using him, and tactics like this, provides a level of immunity for the PACs that will be going after Secretary Clinton. They'll be shamelessly despicable, but when a Clinton spokesperson goes to push back against them it will always be in a larger context that includes Brock's PAC, and that they drew first blood by going negative against Senator Sanders.
P.S. Nice assemblage of links, thanks.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Slimy, evasive, defensive... yuck.