2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy in Goddess's name doesn't the following post have 300 recs?
Not this present post; this post: Liberty Univ Alumnus: Sanders called us out on our hypocrisy. He has my vote.
This is amazing stuff! An excerpt:
And those words echoed in my heart. As I listened to that crazy, hoarse-voiced, wild-haired Jew, standing in front of the religious leaders of the Evangelical movement, calling us to account, as a Jew once did before. Telling us that he intends to care for the least of these. To clothe the naked, to shelter the homeless, to care for the sick, to set the prisoners free."
After all, who can better represent the words of a Jesus than... a fellow Jewish Socialist?
Democrats will win with Bernie. The 99% will win with Bernie. Only the bloodsuckers lose with him in the White House, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)about it before I saw the first OP. So over all between all the OPs on this, and it deserves to be repeated as often as possible as it was a truly amazing demonstration of how Bernie works with people even those with whom he has differences and how they respect him, and in this, actually are willing to vote for him, a Liberal!
I don't know if you listened to the entire speech, but it was incredible.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Thanks.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)I've invited them to a rather large dinner of crow.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)And thou shall go forth unto the least of them, and grab all of their possessions, for it is pleasing unto thine net worth; and to fool many people for a while, thou shalt construct an assinine economic model that proves everyone wins when you taketh their stuff.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)did you use to write for Monty Python.....
because that was right on.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Not so different.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)Jesus is not what these hypocrites follow. They cherry pick the most edited-by-power grabbing idiots of the bronze age Book called the book of rage, condemnation, violence and murder or the Bible till Jesus came along and cursed a fig tree when figs were out of season cause he was hungry and there were no damn figs on it. Sorry didn't mean to cherry pic...or did I. Fuck the Bible...we are a moral nation tolerant of all beliefs so keep you're fucking indoctrinated religions out of my politics. native Americans called you crazy for such divisive beliefs. The bible says nothing about search and seizure. or discrimination etc. We should all rec this cause it says "Christian" or Bible...screw religious references. We are a moral nation, free to care for each other so we can live in harmony but also to make laws "we" decide will ensure our freedom, our survival, and the pursuit of happiness and maintain the general welfare of our democracy.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,499 posts)This needs to be sent to every Paster, Preacher, and Christian! Their current hypocracy is so clear a 5 year old that has been to Sunday school could point it out!
Bottom line is, if you profess to be a Christian you MUST stop supporting Republicans! They all want to cut the social safety net. If they are conservative Christians then they should be supporting making the system more efficient and cost effective! The first place to start would be a fair and well balanced single payer approach to health care. This would save trillions over the long haul even while providing all of us with the best health care in the world. I don't know what country is currently ranked number 1 in health care, but a few years ago it was France that had the overall best outcomes. Currently, we pay more for prescriptions, MRI's, and many other tests and procedures due to Special Interests owning our government and buying laws that made it illegal for Medicare/Medicaid from negotiating bulk pricing for prescriptions.
We achieve Publicly Funded Elections and we cute a lot of this type of corruption!
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)Interested to know your thoughts on our candidates this time around. Sounds as though you're pretty happy with Bernie (seriously, who isn't?)
You made an impression on me that you look at the politician's actions, not his/her rhetoric, and I have never been able to be that objective, so always used you as a Come To Jesus measurement.
Anyway, just curious about your thoughts this time around -- just newly returned so haven't seen a lot of your posts yet.
Hope all is well.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)because on almost all of the issues, and for his entire political career, he as been right on the issues that Dems care about.
Before he announced he would run, I was supporting O'Malley who I think is also a good candidate.
I had thought we were not going to have any choices so was glad when O'Malley entered the race.
Chafee also interested me, mainly because he had opposed the Iraq War, a big issue for me because it says a lot to me about a candidate where they stood on the war.
But Bernie to me is a rare politician. Not just because of his record of votes, which is excellent, but because he is running without Corp money, another huge issue. He doesn't just say he opposes Citizens United, he is refusing to avail himself of it, showing enormous integrity imo.
Hillary is too much of a War Hawk for me, her Iraq War Vote, her support for the awful Welfare Reform Bill, for DOMA, her late 'evolvement' on marriage equality, her support for the TPP and refusal to tell us where she stands on the Keystone Pipeline until 'after the election', her close ties to Wall St, all these things imo, show a lack of judgement and foresight so necessary in a leader.
Webb is too right leaning for me so haven't even considered him.
Biden, well, he's very likeable, but even he has told us recently that the 'money in politics' must be the 'most important issue in this campaign' because he said 'until we get rid of it, nothing else can be done'. He's always sounded good on issues, but I've been disappointed by some of his votes.
He did tell some people recently at an event to 'Vote for Bernie, he's a good man'. I think Biden wanted to do the right thing, but as he said 'don't even trust me even if you like me, re the money in politics'. He said big donors expect something in return.
I presume you can guess my opinion on all of the Repubs lol.
Hope all is well with you too, gately.
gateley
(62,683 posts)You're so right that Bernie is so different -- he 100% walks his talk and let's you know how he stands on every and any issue. Besides Trump "puke", he's the only one not counting on funding or PACS, and he can't count on Trump's $ billions, either. He's done remarkably well.
I read somewhere, a while back, that O'Malley was kind of like Hillary (who I grew to distrust and dislike in 2007) so I didn't pay attention to him. But you and a couple of others have pointed out his accomplishments and achievements, and have to say, "hmmmm". Unfortunately, for now anyway, he's under the radar.
Joe has disappointed me in SEVERAL of his votes, plus just pissed me off on some other things he's done, but my belief and conviction that he's a good man, will let us know how he feels (which he's been unable to do while serving as VPOTUS) and I think some of the votes I disagree with can be explained, but I will support him if he decides to run, and if not, I'm loving Bernie.
Bottom line, I will be the first one voting for WHOEVER gets the nomination, whether I have to hold my nose or not.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I replied tho in this one:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251600064#post16
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251600064.
John the Baptist? Ya gotta love that metaphor. Or is it an analogy?
PS: Thanks Joe. That was weird that the first link returned a 404.
Uncle Joe
(58,556 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)bernie quoted from it in his speech. It's strong stuff. Amos warned the Jewish people about the danger of worshipping false gods and neglecting morality and the moral obligation to care for the poor. Matthew instructs on caring for the poor, the weak and. The suffering.
Bernie really read the spiritual and moral riot act to Liberty University's audience.
It was more a sermon than a political speech in my view.
senz
(11,945 posts)That's how I heard it too. Kept thinking, can they hear Jesus' words in this speech? If they read the synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke) they should have recognized it.
Yes, the Amos quote is the one MLK cited in one of his great speeches.
Bernie is amazing.
a2liberal
(1,524 posts)is broken because the period got included at the end
onecaliberal
(32,996 posts)Bernie will win.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)angrychair
(8,755 posts)"You don't need Jesus to know what's right, you only need the right to know what's wrong."
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I was chided at work today by our CEO while my boss can't do without me, but I'm not as young and thin and stupid as our assistant.
Sorry. Rough day.
artislife
(9,497 posts)sees how the President, Warren and thousands of others are standing with Ahmed.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/09/16/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-google-box-aaron-levie-ahmed-mohamed-clock/32510935/
I know I signed petitions. This country has enough people who want to change.
Big hugs to you, a shitty day needs a nice piece of chocolate and a good soak in the tub and a sign that love is fighting hate.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)If ya got it, flaunt it!
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Christian person.....
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But the reason is that religious people are supposed to be our enemas and we are suppose to hate them and beat them down.
Bernie has taken a different approach...to teach them about their own values and it worked.
And it is working and it upsets some.
artislife
(9,497 posts)They do clear the pipes, that's for sure!
I love how the universe will play in our daily lives...
senz
(11,945 posts)I thought it was intentional and puzzled and puzzled over it until it made a sort of sense.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)until it made a sort of sense!
:rofl!
neverforget
(9,437 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)But I will not edit it because it is ironic or something.
merrily
(45,251 posts)the one funny line.
I have mercifully forgotten most of the movie, but it was about some guy who did think enema therapy was a good thing.
beac
(9,992 posts)The film stars Anthony Hopkins as Dr. Kellogg, Matthew Broderick as William Lightbody, Bridget Fonda as his spouse Eleanor, John Cusack as Charles Ossining, Dana Carvey as the doctor's adopted son George, and Colm Meaney as Dr. Lionel Badger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_to_Wellville_(film)
merrily
(45,251 posts)John Cusack said the line, which was in all the previews for the film.
beac
(9,992 posts)Then again, it's hard to turn in a tour de force performance when your script is mostly about colonics.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)That description is just so fucking condescending, and off putting, and derogatory and not fitting.
Essentially divisive.
What I heard was Bernie Sanders explaining his sense of morality and his sense of what government should be doing for the country, and couching this explanation in a common vocabulary. In this case a religious vocabulary determined by the venue, but also a profound vocabulary.
What he said has nothing to do with putting people in their place, "teaching them about their own values", as if they were ignorant.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)You seem to view learning as something that comes from athority...Well I don't...in fact some of my greatest learning experiences came from animals and nature.
He most certainly did not go there to put people in their place and because of that he was a teacher not a preacher.
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)from the Gospel values of the early church, as adumbrated by Catholic social doctrine. Or don't you recognise that? Is that why you are so touchy?
Pope Francis has been facing virulent, rabid criticism, notably from American Catholic lay-people, precisely because he has attacked consumerism and our complacency regarding it in the West, as reflected in our affluent life-style, while 30,00 people die from hunger, each day, in the third world. But even if they were not, it is still a form of meretricious idolatry, as well as having been achieved on the backs of the poor, via so-called trickle-down economics.
delrem
(9,688 posts)and their failure to understand their own values!
He criticized REPUBLICANS. Not Liberty University students and faculty.
He described his own sense of ethics in terms that students at Liberty University use daily and understand - just as he said he would do at the start. He was not up there self-righteously trying to "teach them about their own values". Of all the condescending claptrap! On the contrary, he began his speech by acknowledging that there are some issues where there is and will be continuing disagreement - abortion, same-sex marriage in particular - but that there are large areas where he believes there is or should be considerable agreement on particular very important issues, important to THEM. Then he went down the list - not in a condescending way at all! Not to "teach them their own values", but to explain how he SHARED THEIR VALUES, in the way that he described, through biblical references and so on.
Now I've said enough. I obviously listened to a totally different speech and Q&A session than you and zeemike. In my opinion I listened to a much better and more embracing speech.
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)extraordinary underpinning of socialist ideology by Judaeo-Christianity. He is too wise to fall into the trap of most atheists and agnostics to pillory the church for its significant drift from the Gospel values preached by Christ, seemingly, either consciously or unconsciously aware that personal prayer and sacrifice are the necessary fuel for the fulfilment of the best-laid plans of men: the proper invocation of God's blessing.
It is why Pope Francis, while understanding the need for structural change in the economic ideology of the West, and the necessary political involvement of Catholics in government, disparages ideologies as the cure-alls the World touts them to be. Without prayer and sacrifice invoking God's continuous blessing, we can achieve nothing of value that will last. (Ozymandias has spoken...)
The author of the article, however, like Pope Francis, believes, as should we all, surely, that it is past the time to return to those values, at least to make a purposeful start in that direction. Knowing the role of grace, as he evidently does, his strictures on the subject are surely not out of place. It's neither man's fault that some DU readers of an agnostic or atheist persuasion take a harsher, less nuanced interpretation of Bernie's speech and the words of the author, wielding them with political intent against the church.
Enthusiast
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cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Catherina
(35,568 posts)under different titles. So, combined it did get 300+ recs. I apologize to anyone who posted it before me for not having seen their threads until afterwards. I even saw it in GD after I posted those, the last place where I was expecting it! Of course I rec'd them all
Love you Manny.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Of course, I meant for people to click through to your post, but that didn't work. Theain thing is that more people see what Bernie done.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)South Florida Pastors' Perspective airs Thursday, September 17th, 2015 - 11:00 AM (EST).
A round table of evangelical pastors from different backgrounds who discuss current hot button issues from a biblical and pastoral perspective
http://globalpresence.org/live/item/184-south-florida-pastors-discuss-bernie-sanders-speech-at-liberty-university
From a ripple to tidal wave
SCantiGOP
(13,878 posts)There may be a reason that most people didn't see this as important. On election day, a group of students who are taught that they will consign their immortal soul to hell if they vote for a candidate who supports abortion rights are not going to vote for Sanders. The few - very few- like the speaker above are such a <1% minority that it isn't noteworthy.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and that is to give a rousing speech to a large crowd that had significant differences on issues they hold very dear without pandering. He stuck to his principles and I think the crowd respected that. On election day, these students get to vote via secret ballot. Who knows what they will do?
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)doesn't mean they aren't siding with Bernie in their hearts. And as mentioned above, your ballot is secret.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)people which suits those desperately trying to hang on to power. Just as the LU students have been taught that the Left is the enemy, the Left has been taught that THEY are the enemy.
This has kept the voters divided for decades, making it impossible for the PEOPLE to control their government.
Every election they bring up a few issues, the ones Bernie pointed out as differences he has with those people.
That's ALL they talk about, distracting from the larger issues that affect ALL the people.
I saw it today on CNN AGAIN, we now have them focusing on ONE issue, AGAIN, with Hillary 'coming out strong' as they say, on THAT issue, a safe position for any DEM, while no one asks her about The Keystone Pipeline, an issue that will harm this country for decades to come.
Bernie exposed this tactic, going past those few issues reserved for every election, then of course nothing is done about until they can be used again in the next election. And he got them thinking about it, and as we see, some of them ARE thinking about.
And not just this Pastoral Adviser, in the Reddit thread there are others who are currently students there who are also now aware of the tactics.
And they will tell others and soon those in power will find that their old tactics are not working anymore.
Because the people care about the issues they DON'T want to talk about.
But we ARE going to talk about them, because we know that the when the people are united their government will have to represent THEM, not a few obscenely wealthy Corporations.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)elana i am
(814 posts)here is an example of someone who kinda is seeing sanders as some kind of savior. at least that's the flavor i'm getting from it. i like to think we are supporters of sanders' policies as humanist in nature and straight up common sense, not as "fans" of some flowery dogma.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)not just that it is dogma.
If Bernie, or whomever, wants to quote their own oft-overlooked dogma back at them to make his humanist, common sense point I'm fine with that.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Go Bernie!
Moral Compass
(1,531 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)and they neither like nor trust you. And, for as many good reasons.
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)in line with the customary perception of Americans, that they didn't 'do' or understand irony, but now it's got to the stage where I associate it with Americans!
leveymg
(36,418 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Please reconsider, thanks.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)I wanna know just WHEN some debate moderator is gonna read this passage:
" Blessed are you, for you cared for me, for I was naked and you clothed me; I was sick, and you cared for me; I was hungry, and you fed me; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was in prison, and you came to visit me; I was homeless, and you gave me shelter. And the disciples said, Jesus, when did we do any of those things for you? And he said, If you have done it for the least of these, you have done it for me.
.... and then ask each of the GOP hopefuls to give THEIR interpretation of it - point by point. I'll bet even ol' Huckadolt would be flummoxed to answer it as plainly as I (an atheist) could. Talk about your wheat and chaff seperatin' moment! There'd be a bunch of squirming butts in the audience as well.
A disciple of Bernie
7962
(11,841 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Flying pigs are no joke ..
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Manny...you are right. We will win with Bernie; however, all Bernie supporters have to get off their Fannies and get out there and spread the word and counteract the lies. It is the 50-State Strategy all over again, but with Dean on the wrong side!
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)I dunno, this religious stuff should be left to individuals afaic. They have been playing up this mythology way too much in my not so humble opinion.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)criminals elected. No Dem has even tried to talk to them before, afaik. Every vote counts. Whether we like it or not, there are literally millions of people who claim to be Christians in this country.
What Bernie did at LU was unprecedented. He reminded them of what their Leader actually was all about. Whether anyone believes in Jesus or not, isn't so much the issue. The issue is that Fundamentalists who CLAIM to believe in him, have been bamboozled for decades by the Right into voting AGAINST the very principles Jesus preached about.
Bernie succeeded in causing some of them to think about that. Jesus was all about the poor, his only angry moments came when the threw the 'money lenders' out of the temple. Yet, many of these people vote FOR the 'money lender'.
The Pastoral adviser who has stated that he intends to vote for Bernie and has a right to do so, is remarkable. What it demonstrates is that Sanders, who is not a Christian, in fact he epitomizes everything they have been taught to despise, was actually able to reach some of them and cause them to rethink who they have been supporting for all these years.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)and a lot of them don't even realize that their Jesus was a Jew who was a carpenter.
They surely don't know that Bernie was a carpenter!
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,346 posts)Faux pas
(14,713 posts)markpkessinger
(8,409 posts)NonMetro
(631 posts)Do they make a sound? Sheesch....!!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)was such a cynical and disgraceful bit of political tomfoolery, it took my breath away.
You have Darragh Murphy donating $500 to John McCain in 2000, establishing the PUMApac in 2007-8, and then going on to support Mitt Romney in 2011-2012.
It was just gross, and those were Hillary supporters.
Bernie Sanders, and Martin O'Malley for that matter, would call them out on the carpet and give them a blessing out that could be heard on Mars.
It stuns me how soon people forget.
I'm all for forgiving trespasses, but if you are taking a machete to my garden and cutting up the food I'm growing, my patience for you being in my yard or wheelhouse comes to an abrupt end.
StandingInLeftField
(972 posts)and made it 300!
(Also rec'd the other post too!)
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)On your's anyway.
We all need a trip to the woodshed, now an then.
TacoD
(581 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Which makes me a little grumpy.
I'm guessing that people think "meh, the other post will be more of the same, I'll just rec this one and not bother going there". One day I should try only having a link without a description.
But at least more folks got exposed to the info, so that's good.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)and me getting as many toys as I can before I die. Whoever dies with the most toys wins! Nobody really cares about all that do unto others peace, love, and kindness doodoo.
I could never vote for that wild haired populist Jewish fellow. He doesn't get it. It's dog eat dog out there! Feed the hungry? Help the homeless? Universal single payer healthcare? Why? There's no money in it! If they're not productive, let them die! More for me.
Listen up. If we nominate my candidate, we can institute boondoggles social programs that really only help a few people, while we bleed everyone else but the very wealthy dry, and giant corporations make billions in extra profit, and the super rich never have to pay any more in taxes!
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/19/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-education/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/21/unitedhealth-results-idUSL4N0V03X120150121
The system works!
The Business of America is Business! And we all know that war is the cash cow of big business.
Yeah, I know, I know; I'm just a down on my luck should be billionaire, but soon, I swear like any day now, I'm gonna be in the hi-fidelity first class traveling set, and I'm gonna buy me a LEAR JET!!!
My candidate is the business candidate, My candidate knows the score. My candidate knows that all that golden rule fluff is for the suckers and fools those of us in the know fleece money out of.
Forget that ridiculous golden rule, save the whales, stop the wars drivel. You need to get with the program, and realize what's really important in life.
Business.
Money.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251495072
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)post about the issues.