quite a few Hillary supporters have told me she'll beat him in

[cali]

Vermont, that virtually every important democrat in the state has endorsed him. And with the exception of Congressman Peter Welsh, that's true. But as I've written here a half dozen times, not a chance. Not only is Bernie extremely well liked by voters here who identify as democrats, Hillary isn't. Just after Bernie's formal announcement, Governor Shumlin, former Governor Kunin, Mayor Weinberger and several other prominent democrats, held a well publicized meet up for Hillary. Only a handful of people showed up. I don't know why Clinton isn't liked by dems here, but she isn't. Now a poll confirms Bernie's overwhelming support in his home state:

<snip>

When asked who they hope to see elected president in 2016, Vermont Democrats overwhelmingly support Sanders at 65 percent. Hillary Clinton gets 14 percent support.

<snip>

http://www.wcax.com/story/30064232/poll-bernie-sanders-popular-in-vt-even-among-republicans

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

1. On TRMS last night she reported that Bernie is in a 3 way tie for first place with Carson and Trump

in a poll of REPUBLICANS in VT, Ms Clinton was back of the pack in single digits with Paul, Cruz and Bush

In the same poll of Democrats Bernie is well over 65%.

Stick a fork in Hillary in VT and NH she is done already.

[LuvNewcastle]

2. Bernie has been winning races in Vermont

for many years -- statewide races since he's been in the Senate -- so it's weird that Hillary supporters think he would lose badly to her. Cali, why do you think Hillary is picking up so many endorsements from Vermont politicians, though? I'm guessing it's because they don't think Bernie would 'reward' them for their support, but maybe I'm missing something.

[cali]

4. well, Shumlin is looking for a job and he's placing his best with Hillary

As for Kunin, I think it's definitely gender related. And honestly, I don't think they believe Bernie can win either the primary or the general

[LuvNewcastle]

8. Are you saying that you don't think

he can win the Vermont primary or the race for all the primaries combined?

[cali]

10. the.primary in general is what they don't think he can win

[roguevalley]

35. Bernie wins without ads at home. none

[artislife]

40. I was wondering your initial question as well

Thanks for discussing it Luv and Cali.

There are interesting things brewing...they better watch out for the scald.

[leftofcool]

5. Or, it might be they have worked with him in the past and don't want to continue to do so.

What you might be missing is that he may not be well liked by his peers.

[LuvNewcastle]

9. Could be.

I know nothing about his peers though, other than Leahy, so I can't say if that means anything.

[cali]

11. nope. bzzzt. And yes, I know

You know nothing about Vermont politics. I do.

[SonderWoman]

15. What is with the bzzzt thing?

Do you do that to people in real life too?

[dorkzilla]

34. What is with the even ruder responses to a response not directed at you?

Do you do that to people in real life too?

[nuxvomica]

17. I don't think so

Leahy:

Leahy said he told Clinton, a one-time Senate colleague and former secretary of State, that he would support her candidacy for president.

"And I always keep my word," Leahy said.

"I also am proud of Bernie," Leahy added. "He's been a very, very good senator, and I think he has a very strong message."
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/politics/2015/05/03/bernie-sanders-makes-pitch/26738955/

Kunin:

"He has consistently said the rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer. He hasn't changed, but circumstances have changed to emphasize what he's been saying."
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/politics/2015/05/03/bernie-sanders-makes-pitch/26738955/

Shumlin:

“Bernie and I are great friends,” Shumlin said Thursday. “I think he’s an extraordinary U.S. senator and I’m really happy that Vermont has him and I’m happy he’s running for president.”

“My belief is that the most qualified candidate running for president who’s going to fight for the middle class and who understands the challenge of foreign policy is Hillary Clinton,” Shumlin said.

"We all understand that that’s what primaries are about. It doesn’t diminish the importance of our friendships."
http://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2015/05/21/sanders-endorsees-dont-return-the-favor

Weinberger:

"I have great respect and appreciation for Bernie and what he has accomplished in his remarkable career,” Weinberger said. “Bernie was one of the most effective mayors to serve Burlington, and Vermont has been fortunate to benefit from Bernie's leadership in both the United States House and Senate. Bernie's passion and bold ideas will be good for Vermont and for our country."
http://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2015/05/21/sanders-endorsees-dont-return-the-favor

The Leahy quote is very interesting. Why the need to note that he's keeping his word if, as you suggest, he really doesn't like Sanders?

[karynnj]

33. I heard many of his then peers on the left praise the things that Bernie pushed for in ACA

I suspect that on many issues, he is to the left of almost all of them. However, what seems clear is that he had the ability to work to get small pieces in bills that did the types of things he thought important. One important piece was money for community health centers.

[Chan790]

52. In terms of being sympatico with peers...

I'd consider getting along with, liking and working well with Hillary to be not a ringing endorsement. I don't want to be represented by or vote for people that have good working relationships with Hillary Clinton because I believe that she's a fake progressive, a bad Democrat and someone who sells Democratic constituencies out to further her own ambitions. I think having a good working relationship with Clinton is a black-mark against any Democrat.

See, that particular knife cuts both ways. Not getting along with Sanders is, to me, often the mark of the kind of Democrats I want us to elect more of.

[tblue37]

66. I have read a couple of articles that say he is well liked by both R and D members

of congress because they know he can be trusted to do what he promises to do, whereas even people on their own side can suddenly switch positions and go back on promises out of fear or simply to get a better deal for themselves.

[Human101948]

3. They're whistling past the graveyard....

They are so scared in the HRC group that they banned me when I made this comment about the endorsements--


"The establishment reacts to tamp down rebellion against the status quo...

to make sure that those pesky populists don't upset the apple cart."

[leftofcool]

6. Why would we be scared?

If Bernie was getting those "establishment Dem" endorsements, there would be 100 posts for each endorsement praising it.

[Human101948]

12. And why would that group react so strongly to such a mild statement?

It seems they cannot deal with any criticism. That's a sign of weakness and fear.

[restorefreedom]

21. perhaps not.....

the whole crux of bernie's message is that he wants to represent the people against the billionaire class and fight the status quo business as usual. if the establishment endorsements came from people who represented non progressive dems or the "status quo," i am not sure bernie supporters would be dancing a jig over it. i know for myself, it does not bother me that bernie is not getting the support of the establishment dems. in fact, it reinforces for me that he is on the right track with the people and is probably apporpriately pissing off some in power who don't want to give it up.

just my opinion though. other bernie supporters may completely disagree

[senz]

41. Well if the HRC group keeps banning contrary opinions

there won't be any left, will there? Then you can say you've got unanimous agreement.

[Enthusiast]

7. Jeez. That was pretty innocuous.

[artislife]

44. I think you are on to a valid point!

Counter to the other response.

Why are they scared? All the backroom deals they have made along the way in the pursuit of gaining power. That is time, sweat and parts of souls that have been used to pay for it. What if they don't get it? When they look in the mirror, what will they see? What if the public finds out the truth, how will it react? These are people who speak of Legacy all the time. This matters.

I am of the belief that the pursuit of Legacy is a self obessesed path cloaked as altruistic one. And in the scheme of Time, fruitless because all of this will disappear and show up scattered in some other part of the universe eventually anyway! Heh.

[DCBob]

13. I think Bernie will win Vermont but that could be his only win.

Maybe NH also.

[Betty Karlson]

16. Iowa is a definite possibility, South Carolina is beginning to come into play...

and the primaries are still many months away, giving him time to increase his name recognition.

DWS may try what she will, but Sanders gains voters every time he gains name recognition, and he'll gain it with or without her acquiescence.

[DCBob]

19. Iowa maybe.. but SC no way.

Until Bernie can connect with African American voters he doesn't have a chance there or any other similar state.

Did you see the racial breakdown from latest SC poll?



Bernie gets 4% of black vote. Can't win with that.

[Betty Karlson]

22. His numbers have gone up: more then double the score he had last time.

It's the trendline that bodes well for him: he has a lot of ground to make up, that is true, but he's got the time to do so and the momentum really is on his side. As I said: if he's not first choice, it's mainly because voters haven't heard of him. Then they hear of him, and next they vote for him.

Two months ago, nobody gave Sanders a chance in Iowa. Now he's ahead of Clinton by double digits.

Three months ago, New Hampshire was supposedly out of his league. Now: out of hers.

[DCBob]

23. He can't win with 4% of AA voters.

[Betty Karlson]

24. That's because he has 4 % name recognition among PoC.

Once more: the momentum is on his side. The poll means very little in itself, because the primaries are still so far away.

[DCBob]

25. I don't think so.

Bernie does have a name reco problem wtih all groups but I believe with AA voters he simply doesn't connect.

I think its something like this..

"How can a old white Jewish guy from a pearly white Yankee state know anything about my problems as a black person here in South Carolina?"

[Betty Karlson]

26. Kindly ask that question to an actual Person of Colour.

It's rather patronising to think for them.

Or ask the question to Sanders' press secretary. She'll be glad to answer it.

[DCBob]

27. Patronizing?? Its just my opinion.

Feel free to disagree if you like but I suspect I am correct.

[roguevalley]

36. time will tell and it isn't hillary friend

[Betty Karlson]

56. Well said, sir/ madam.

People of Colour don't need focus groups and political pundits to make up their minds.

[artislife]

47. At this point in the race, Obama couldn't win the AA vote in SC.

I get it, they have a lot to lose if some types of people get in the federal government. They are risk adversed for a very good reason.

But be careful on relying on a static state, dynamic forces are at work.

[Rilgin]

53. exactly right

Reliance on polls that show hrc ahead at a single point of time is just propaganda given trend lines showing support dropping over months. It ignores looking at the context and three dimensional aspects of an election.

Perhaps a good metaphor would be a New Orleans pol giving a statement (in the second hour of Katrina) that totally ignores the rising waters since the levees were still holding.

Both this pol and the posting HRC supporter are saying the equivalent of "what problem" the levees are holding now.

[pinebox]

29. He already has

See "Bernie Sanders: The Only White Guy to Show Up" http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/18/1422450/-Bernie-Sanders-The-Only-White-Guy-to-Show-Up

[DCBob]

30. He's going to need alot more of that to have any chance at all there.

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I doubt he can do it.

[pinebox]

31. I don't

And Hillary isn't exactly a shoe-in either with black support.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/black-voters-become-focus-clinton-sanders-maybe-biden-n430176

But when people actually cast their ballots, Clinton received less than 20 percent of the black vote in primaries in the South, preventing her from winning those states. Seeing Obama's deep support in the black community, some of Clinton's supporters, such as Georgia U.S. Rep. John Lewis, switched to the then-Illinois senator.

Obviously, in 2016, Clinton will not be running against a candidate who could become the first black president. But the results of 2008 suggest Clinton's early advantage with blacks is not ironclad.

[Bluenorthwest]

18. He leads in Oregon as well. If you are building opinions based on DU, you are being fed bullpucky

In my real and very diverse circle of friends and associates Bernie is very popular. Popular with gay people, straight people, old people, trans people, Latino people, Black people, young people, white people. He's just popular.
DU has of late been extremely dishonest and by indulging in that level of bullshit is demonstrating a basic community bigotry and making itself redundant in the process

[DCBob]

20. I base nothing on DU.

This is for entertainment purposes only.

[LeftOfWest]

57. okay n/t.

[pinebox]

28. Colorado

will probably go for Bernie too and I don't see a lot of the NE going for HRC either, sorry I just don't. I think Bernie will also take Iowa. I also think he could get Washington and Oregon. Cali is a toss up probably although when it comes to votes, it very well could go Bernie. Hillary's recent comments on immigration sure haven't helped her there.

[Le Taz Hot]

45. California's is not until June.

By then, California will easily be Bernie's but he HAS TO STAY IN IT! ALL states are important and, since he doesn't depend on corporate donors, there's no reason for him to opt out early. If he loses some of the Super Tuesday states, as I'm sure he will (but not ALL) he needs to stay in long enough for other parts of the country, particularly the West, to help him over the top in the delegate count.

[artislife]

48. I believe in WA

Only because I drive up and down 405 and 1-5 which is where the bulk of the voting population is, and haven't seen one H bumper sticker....I have benn seeing more and more Bernie Sanders ones.

King county basically dictates the rest of the state's elections, to the chagrin of Eastern Washington and beyond.

[Pope Sweet Jesus]

51. I also agree with your assessment regarding Colorado

I'm not just seeing the love for Hillary Clinton. When I walk by with my FeeltheBern tshirt, i get a lot of smiles and nods. I work a lot in downtown Denver, so I have a pretty good grasp.

My own neighborhood is solidly Bernie.

[senz]

42. Then you better hope more people don't get to know him

because when they do, they like him a whole lot better than the "untrustworthy" candidate.

[SonderWoman]

14. Can we get a link to anyone who made that claim?

Just one link.

[jeff47]

54. Google is really hard to find.

I mean, it's all the way in the top-right corner of the page. So far...ugh...damnit, I can only get the mouse pointer to reach "My Posts".

[SonderWoman]

55. So you got nothing, huh?

[jeff47]

58. No, I got plenty. 'Cause I can actually hit that search button.

Try it sometime. Your posts will appear much less petulant.

[TheFarS1de]

59. You should change your handle ....

to "Cant use Google" . Every time you demand a link . LOOK FOR YOURSELF . Or better yet find something to refute it , other than smears about paedophilia etc .

[SonderWoman]

60. If I accuse you of murder, should you have to prove you're not?

Or should I have to prove you are?

People can't just go around making baseless claims.

you should change your handle to: Still got nothing.

[TheFarS1de]

61. Murder?

We are talking about internet links . Try not overstretching your comparisons and focus on the topic at hand .

So other than smears on Sanders what have you yourself posted that is relevant ?

No need to answer , your posts speak for themselves . Enjoy your Strawman building and make sure to get that smear in every corner you can find

[SonderWoman]

62. Still got nothing, huh?

Don't worry, neither does the op.

[TheFarS1de]

64. Got a link to back that up ?

Keep up the good ..... whatever it is you do . Anymore RW smear pieces out there ? I am sure you will find them

[BuelahWitch]

65. Cali's got a link in her OP

Did you not see it? Just in case you have unablis clickadis, it takes you to a page titled "Poll: Bernie Sanders popular in Vt., even among Republicans"

[CanadaexPat]

32. and now you see the power of endorsements

[roguevalley]

37. which is really none. I would vote for the other guy with

Our politicians

[Le Taz Hot]

46. Absolutely!

They just don't get that the old ways don't work anymore. Social media has changed everything!

[dsc]

38. whomever is tell you that is wrong

Heck Dean, who was clearly out of the race by the time Vermont voted beat Kerry. I would imagine that Vermont would likewise support Bernie. Bernie might win Iowa, he is likely to win NH, but after that he will have major problems in South Carolina, Nevada, and on Super Tuesday unless his numbers with people of color pick up which so far there is no evidence of happening.

[DanTex]

39. Quite a few, huh? LOL. Sanders will win his home state, don't know who these "few" are but they're

wrong. Unless, of course, Sanders concedes before the Vermont primary. But if he's still running, he'll win. Not very many other states, but Vermont, yes.

[pinebox]

43. A reality check!

Almost Every Major Poll Shows Bernie Sanders Challenging or Defeating Clinton and Republicans. Here's Why
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/almost-every-major-poll-shows-bernie-sanders_b_7937906.html

Ole!

[artislife]

49. That was a fun read, the comments, too nt

[MisterP]

50. they also said NAFTA would give us 2 vigintillion jobs and that Obama would abolish the GOP

and usher in a new reign where the very laws of physics were changed

this also hampered the Quebecois and Scots referenda (that whole "scientifically impossible promise" affair)

[cui bono]

63. The people don't care that the establishment endorses the establishment candidate.

Welcome to the revolution!!!

Does Sanders always say that? I heard it at the end of one of his rallies I watched snippets of today.

FEEL THE BERN!!!

SANDERSTORM IS COMING TO YOUR TOWN!!!