Two people I dearly love are supporting a different Dem for our candidate than I am...

[CTyankee]

We are all passionate about our candidate. I am hoping it doesn't get too maddening.

My husband and older daughter are totally in for HRC. I am voting for Bernie in the CT primary. I am in passionate agreement with his views.

Both say it is time for a woman to be president. I can agree with that, having supported Elizabeth Warren before she broke my heart and decided not to run (I know, I had to suck it up...).

My view is that we are all Dems, at the end of the day. It is a long campaign season, folks. Let's all be good to each other...please...

[PoliticAverse]

1. I trust you'll all come together in a group hug at the end of primary season. n/t

[CTyankee]

2. Oh, yes. As it turned out, I voted for Hillary in our CT primary back last time around.

Husband and older daughter did also. The reason I voted for her in the primary is because my candidate (who I will not name, as he turned out to be such a sham and I felt led astray) had dropped out by that time. And I wanted to at long last vote for a woman for president, even if it was in a primary. My two other kids supported BHO all along.

And we all were thrilled and did our happy dances when he was elected...

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

3. Anybody tells me it's time for a woman to be President

I tell em it's time for a Jew to be President too.

So just maybe we should skip over choosing our President based on genitalia or religion and judge them on policies.

[antigop]

4. +1000 nt

[CTyankee]

5. I agree with that! My husband is a convert to Judaism and my daughter's kids are being

raised as Reform Jews (they were all bas mitzvahed). My stepdaughter is a Reform Rabbi in AZ. I went to her ordination and just cried it was so beautiful...

[SonderWoman]

6. Gender and religion are completely different.

Its weird that this would even need to be pointed out. Jewish rights in America aren't under constant assault by any political party in America the way women's rights are.

[sabrina 1]

7. That wasn't the point, nor did I see anyone even remotely claim that religion

and gender are the same.

Policies on Issues are what matter in elections. Not the gender or religion of the candidate to the point of being blind to their policy positions.

War doesn't help advance women in this world, does it? I won't support anyone who views war as the answer, one of the REASONS being what it does to women, on all sides of these wars.

[SonderWoman]

10. COOL

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/252270-sanders-i-wouldnt-end-drone-program

[sabrina 1]

13. Sanders wouldn't end the Military either, which doesn't mean he would USE it

indiscriminately as it has been used over the past decades, which he has been very clear about AND we have his record on war votes to prove he isn't just talking.

Same thing with drones, of course he wouldn't end the 'program'. What does that have to do with using them indiscriminately as they are currently being used mostly killing innocent people?

[artislife]

22. Sabrina!!

Such a breath of fresh air!

[R B Garr]

16. Yes, and again we see that context only matters if it's anti-Hillary, as you can see

from the responses you got to the link about BS using drones.

Same as with BS's "war" votes. BS supporters only see the black and white votes for or against -- no context needed, but now that drones are okay with BS, war is still an option and the military is okay, then we all have to understand the context.

[sabrina 1]

36. Wrong, we don't just have Sanders' vote against, eg, the Iraq War. We have the speech

he gave as to why he would not vote for that disastrous invasion which was clearly being lied about.

There is plenty of context provided by Sanders before that vote. And in that speech he correctly predicted the horrific outcome, as did so many of us. Though neither he nor many of us, little as we thought of the liars who were leading us into this war, ever thought that we, the US, would legalize horrific human rights violations, torture eg, and indefinite detention eg.

But we are asked to support politicians who could not see what ordinary people saw, that Cheney/Bush were LYING. It wasn't difficult to Google, if you didn't have the access that members of our government had to the intel itself, to find out that Iraq could not be involved with Al Queda and had zero to do with 9/11 OR that it would ever be a threat to this country.

Sanders, like us, did not believe the lies. We are impressed by that, but really NO ONE should have believed them.

So what you mean by 'black and white' reactions, I do not know.

What I do know is that when I watched on that fateful day as our Representatives cast their votes to give such enormous power to someone who we KNEW was an illegitimate occupant of the WH AND that his 'team' of crooks were liars and deceivers, Bernie Sanders spoke for ME and millions of others around the world.

And it was at least a comfort to know that there were still some Representatives of the People who actually cared about the truth and about the lives that would be lost, including our troops and the many innocent people of Iraq.

I expected all Democrats to do and say what Sanders said that night. Still naive enough at the time to believe that our party at least, would try to stop the war criminals.

And then I heard Hillary's speech and I was shocked, yes, shocked. Because I had been such an admirer of hers and such a defender. And I didn't understand it.

And no, people will not forget that vote. Nor should they. How can anyone forget the over one million lives lost? For anyone to even ask that we forget who contributed to that historical tragedy, shows such a lack of respect for human life, I simply cannot understand it. And for political advantage, which is imo, totally reprehensible.

What they did all of them, was and is still an ongoing massive crime against humanity.

No way should any decent person forget that, or 'move on' from it. Especially considering that they haven't stopped, that they invaded other nations since then and are directly responsible for the horrific human tragedies that are playing out in Africa and the ME right now.

I find it hard to even process, the scale and magnitude of the crime, the suffering of so many innocent people, as they all rake in their profits and seek power in order to what, continue these crimes against humanity?

No, I will not contribute to that. It's the least I can do.

I hope that is enough context for you.

[R B Garr]

39. Unfortunate, I can't take you seriously because of the conspiracy theory angles I've seen you

engage in. Sorry. But tell you what, I'll try to look at this later and make an effort because you are usually decent so it might be worth my time.

Thanks! I've got some things going tonight, not ignoring you.

[sabrina 1]

40. The old CT attack. Always makes me think of Cass Sunstein who advised that

whenever anyone talked about things they would prefer not be talked about the way to undermine them was to call them CTs. I used to wonder where that came from as it appeared to be everywhere for a while. And then we found out.

I really don't care what your opinion of ME is. I'm not dead nor was I tortured or abused or detained in a horrific gulag for years without charge away from my home and family.

So I'm fine. I'm sure most DUers are, compared to what our country has done to so many millions of innocent people.

I care that this country did all this in OUR name, that they used our money to kill and torture and profit from it all.

Unless you can refute anything I SAID your opinion of ME has zero to do with that, but you didn't address any of that, you did the old internet driveby, ignored the content and went for the messenger.

[R B Garr]

47. I haven't even gotten to your first post and read this one, and forget it,

It's not worth my time. The conspiracy theories are just too inane, and that's why they don't take hold is because most people won't bother with trying to understand the silliness behind them.

How in the heck can anyone refute the meanderings of a conspiracy theory. They usually take root in one or two so-called truths and then turn into all-or-nothing cult-like layers of propaganda when the reality is that most things, and especially government decisions are layered with decision making that is so easily dismissed with a conspiracy theory.

I saw your threads about the Union endorsement conspiracy theories right after BS announced and just rolled my eyes so far back. Just can't go there. In fact, some of the CT's here are what made me question Sanders. If he is attracting that type of follower, then it made me look at him in a different light. Now you refute that to my liking and complete agreement, because that is what you are asking people to do with engaging in silly conspiracy theories.

And the Moralizing that goes with the conspiracy theories -- I like how you add that you love this country. Well, so do I, and you don't get to define for me what my morals are or what my reality is just because you like a certain candidate. Every party has their Moral Majority/Minority, and I that's all this comes across as. Now refute that to my complete liking.

[R B Garr]

48. Sanders is pro drones. So either you have misunderstood his positions or he has evolved.

So it's okay for Sanders to evolve, but not other candidates.

Sanders is not putting war off the table. So either you have misunderstood his positions or he has evolved.

I've seen the silly spam checklists that some of his supporters copy over and over so it's hard not to believe that you don't know what I mean by the black or white thinking in those checklists.

And you can save your moralizing. Every party has their own Moral Majority/Minority and that's really all you are doing. You don't get to impose your own failed thinking about Sanders and his drone/war/military policies on me and claim some type of moral superiority.

Just so you know how superior *I* am , I saw Bush talking about Saddam when he was running for office way back in 1999, maybe 1998. I used to watch him on Road to the Whitehouse on CSpan and he was beating those drums back then. Look at me and MY morals.

[sabrina 1]

50. Sanders is Pro National DEFENSE. He is anti the use of the military including all of our WMDs

and has VOTED accordingly, for anything OTHER THAN DEFENSE.

You can forget claiming that Sanders is pro the current use of drones in wars he opposed, because the public isn't that stupid.

He has been crystal clear on where he stands so you attempting to distort that only discredits you.

If you call facts 'moralizing' that's your choice. But it doesn't change the facts.

[R B Garr]

53. HAHA, now the weasle words start. I knew it.

You see, every candidate is pro national defense. It's UNREALISTIC and therefore not reality to expect a candidate for national office to say they are not for national defense.

I'm not distorting anything. Sanders is pro drones, so you have either misunderstood him or he has evolved. Every candidate who runs for national office has to evolve. National office is unique from voting in a safe, white, rural state like he has done from Vermont.

It's UNREALISTIC to expect that he will not evolve some of his stances, and I'm not going to hold that against him like some people do to Hillary. That's part of the process, and he has to hammer out his visions as he moves forward on a national level.

[R B Garr]

49. Post #3 is where that comparison started, sabrina.

Post #3. Hard to believe you missed that.

But at least you didn't miss a chance to impose your morals on someone with an unrelated comment. Every party has their Moral Majority/Minority and that's really all you're doing.

[restorefreedom]

8. actually, they are

jews, as non christians, are under the same threat of being oppressed by the GOP evangelical "if you're not a Christian it doesn't matter" attitude that's becoming stronger. it may not bequite as transparent as the GOP is going after women's rights, but it still there not just with Jews but with every other non-Christian group. Not to even mention the anti-Semitism that exists within large swaths of the Republican birther wingnut base. basicslly, anyone not a white herero christian need not apply in gop crazyland.

[SonderWoman]

11. Show me the legislation.

Because we all know about the anti-women legislation.

[restorefreedom]

14. legislation is not the only way to attack

discrimination exists in all facets of life, whether race, gender, religion, orientation, or anything else.

but i know i don't have to tell you that.....

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. As a Latina Jewish woman I can tell you it exists

My best example was the challenge of my right to vote in oh so blue California in 2004.

There are others far less obvious. And as the daughter of a holocaust survivor there is a definite rise in quite open anti semitism. Don't get me started with anti immigrant views.

It is not just legislation. Oh and the evangelicals want us Jews to go to Israel to prepare the way for the second coming. That incidentally includes a holocaust.

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. Exactly, nadin.

". Oh and the evangelicals want us Jews to go to Israel to prepare the way for the second coming. That incident"

THAT is the ONLY reason the religious right supports Israel. They want to get their Rapture on. I asked my son's Hebrew teacher if Israel understood the vociferous RW Israeli support (she's from Israel) and she said, "Of course they do, but they don't care because they need support from anyone who will give it." An interesting take on it I thought.

And I agree. Discrimination against Jews is just as rampant as it's always been. When Synagogues have to hire police to stand guard at their doors during High Holy days, something is wrong. That happens every year at our Temple. The shit my son was called at school when he was little was not because there's no Jewish discrimination in this country. Hate groups are on the rise in this country. That's not because there's no discrimination against Jews.

What an absolutely absurd thing to say - Jews aren't discriminated against like women are? Sheesh.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Belated shana tova and may you be inscribed in the book

some people just want to deny it. We even had some if the code here but two weeks ago...them pesky Jews who are loyal to Israel first and serve in our congress posts.

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. Thank you

L'shanah tovah

Yes, there a lot if those dog whistles on DU and I expect more of them since Bernie is Jewish - even though he's a non-practicing Jew. It doesn't matter to some.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. Those whistles were a preview of coming attractions

Hell, my minority status (on several counts) has been denied by a few here already. I almost expect to read stuff right out of the protocols, and be allowed by juries...mostly it already has.

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. Three strikes, girl!

POC, Jewish and female. You don't have a chance!

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. We joke about it here

And in my back country we keep a low profile. Mostly the lovely confederate and blood flags...

[zappaman]

25. You were challenged at the polls in CA because you're Jewish?

I find that hard to believe.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Nope, I was challenged because I am a person of color

Which some idiots here keep telling me I am not. You did miss the LATINA part of the post, on purpose of course.

But if nothing else you are damn predictable.

Have the last word, make sure to tell me how many ways to Sunday I am not a minority by the way.

[zappaman]

33. Uh huh.

Sure.


Thanks for the last word.

[Major Hogwash]

45. Since you are in California, I was wonderng . . .

. . . if people in your state go to the polls to cast their votes, do they have to have an ID to be able to vote?

The last time I went to the polls the people handing out the ballots were asking for IDs.
It was weird.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. No and the Legislature just sent to the Governor a critical piece of legislation

that will register eligible voters when They get their licenses, like Oregon.

http://reportingsandiego.com/2015/09/12/california-new-motor-voter-act-heads-to-governor/

They are also working hard on expanding vote by mail to the point, where the ultimate goal I suppose will be an exclusive vote by mail. For the moment those special elections that have 6, 7 percent voter turnout will automatically have mail in ballots as a pilot program in San Diego County. I suppose they will expand that statewide after they show it works here.

In 2004 the lady challenged me since I have a very thick accent, I produced a passport, demanded to see the super, called the County and she has not worked a precinct ever since. She was black listed. It is not because they are nice, but the liability exposure, my county registrar is not precisely that responsive.

But since I did threaten a lawyer...

The other day when we went to the NAACP event I shared that experience with Andre J Branch Ph.D, local President of the NAACP, who was told a few years back by a while woman that he could not vote at his precinct. That was in La Mesa and he has voted there forever, He also fought back. He was not surprised. It was one of those rare moments when a reporter and an interviewee share a very common experience. They don't happen often, but they do.

[still_one]

52. Actually, I have some posts here who believe that "Jews have too much power and influence". Ann

Coulter had no problem classifying American Jews as effectively "worthless", "“How many f---ing Jews do these people think there are in the United States?”

Though I do agree gender and religion are completely different, and gender is much more inclusive than religion, because it covers involves all demographics.

[Doctor_J]

35. no kidding. What if it ends up carly versus Bernie?

That is a really dangerous attitude

[Kilgore]

51. Bravo!!

[McCamy Taylor]

9. I have a divided family, too. Immediate is for HRC, cousins are for Sanders.

Huge Catholic Irish family. Gonna have lots of differences of opinions. But at the end of the day, we will all come together.

[ibegurpard]

12. Several people I dearly love

Are rabid right wing Republicans. We don't talk about politics. This, however, is a political message board where people are choosing to participate. Hurt feelings and relationships are not the primary considerations here.

[CTyankee]

15. well, if you equate support for another Dem candidate with "rabid, right wing Republicans"

I strongly disagree. Nowhere near the same comparison.

[oldandhappy]

17. Please be OK

It is a little early to be so passionately committed. I am trying to read about everyone at this point. Yes, Bernie and Hillary are both great. My primary is not until June 2016 so I do not have the energy to make the kind of commitments you have already made. If I were in Iowa I might be more inclined to get to work! Our local Dem club has already had a fund-raiser for 2016 races and I support all of that preparedness stuff. Maybe you can have a family day off each week where you do not talk candidates, smile. My neighbors and I are just enjoying laughing at the Repub circus and being positively interested in the Dem group.

[CTyankee]

18. Oh, nobody's upset. Everybody's good.

at least we're all Dems. No repubs in the clubhouse...

[NCTraveler]

20. Sounds to me like....

Sounds to me like your immediate family is more contentious and educated in politics that millions and millions in this country. I have immediate family who will be voting republican. This is a very positive aspect of your household. Congratulations and there is still a lot of time for you to gently win one or both of them over to your candidate before voting begins. They have that same opportunity. Either way, better than so many.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. I cover this shit

As press. I deal with facts. I cannot and will not speak to my BIL and sister on this. They made it clear. They are HRC peeps, we are not for anybody, but gasp, covered the launch rally in San Diego for Sanders, so of course we are biased. Which is funny as shit.

It gets funny when they do ask, I open my yap, and they immediately say we don't agree and turn. So why even ask for an opinion? So if they want to grow even more distant over a fucking election, by all means, be my fracking guests.

I just pointed out we cover the news. It's not my fault Sanders had a rally in North Park with 500 plus people (the national launch campaign) and HRC had a fund raiser in La Jolla at $2700 a person breakfast very close to each other, like iirc one was on Wednesday, the other that same Friday, or the coming Monday at worst

She is the one creating those contrasts. We just point them out. Facts. And if she had a rally at oh the Q I would be there. Present dynamics, Sanders will fill it, she won't.

[PowerToThePeople]

23. divorce and foster care are options

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. LOL...

That would tempt me if I were in her shoes! Luckily, I'm surrounded by Bernie supporters.

[CTyankee]

34. nah, we are good...

[PoliticAverse]

56. If they're old enough to vote they're old enough to lock out of the house. n/t

[Uncle Joe]

37. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for sharing, CTyankee.

[bobbobbins01]

38. My wife just converted from Hillary to Bernie, thank goodness.

Hillary bullshitting about not knowing what wiping a server means was the last straw for her. She had the same thoughts, that it is time for a woman to be president, but after that, her exact quote was "I don't mind if she is involved in a few dirty dealings, but she's supposed to be smarter than that."

I think its great that she made the switch, I just wish it was for more substantive reasons, like the issues and candidates past records. I really don't understand how people can vote just based on superficial impressions.

[elleng]

41. Daughter texted me tonight, yank:

"Get on board with Bernie; seriously, he stands for everything we believe in." Thought you'd like to see this. I told her some of my friends are saying the same thing.

[Pope Sweet Jesus]

43. Bernie is a great choice

Your daughter is very smart, even though I know you're a diehard O'Malley supporter - you should be proud of her.

[elleng]

44. I am proud of her,

and hope she conveys her interest to her kiddies, one almost 2 years old, and one to be born in about 3 weeks!

[CTyankee]

46. yes, and a girl! You said they had a name for her...

[elleng]

55. Yes, they have a name for her, yank,

it's a 'secret,' maybe among the few they were tossing around some time ago, but I FORGET those names!

[Snotcicles]

57. If either one of your wishes come true, we are in pretty good shape. IMO nt

[elleng]

58. Yes I think so!

[Pope Sweet Jesus]

42. Are they willing to listen to the debates?

I know for a fact that about 40-60% of the voters will decide/commit after the first debates are done.

DWS is just being an ass about delaying the debates and telling us to watch the Republican Party debates. If I wanted to do something like that, I'd rather watch paint dry. Just about as exciting. I want to see Bernie debate and show America who really should be the Democratic nominee.

People should have already heard of Bernie, and should be curious to learn why the socialist is getting popular by the second.