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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sun Sep 20, 2015, 06:14 PM Sep 2015

Democrats Have A Growing Debate Problem On Their Hands



By Chris Cillizza September 20 at 5:23 PM

Democrats — and, specifically, Hillary Clinton — have a growing debate problem on their hands.

At the New Hampshire Democratic party convention — usually a rah-rah event — over the weekend, national party chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Fla.) was repeatedly interrupted during her prepared remarks by chants of “we want debates.”

Retorted Wasserman Schultz: “What’s more important, drawing a contrast with Republicans or arguing about debates?”

The answer to her (rhetorical) question was not immediately clear in the room. The New Hampshire uprising is only the latest sign of discontent — being fomented by long-shot Democratic candidate Martin O’Malley — about the party’s announced schedule, which features a total of six debates beginning next month.

As 538’s Harry Enten has pointed out, if Wasserman Schultz does stick to the six debates, it would be the fewest the party has held in a year when there wasn’t a Democratic president seeking a second term since 1980. It would also match the fewest debates Republicans have held over that same time period.

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Democrats Have A Growing Debate Problem On Their Hands (Original Post) Purveyor Sep 2015 OP
Retorted? And what is the correct answer? Rec'd for posing the question! Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #1
Why don't you want more debates? n/t cui bono Sep 2015 #3
And magic pixie fairies are standing by to draw that contrast!!! jeff47 Sep 2015 #4
It takes two to argue Fumesucker Sep 2015 #5
Don't debates help draw a contrast with Republicans? BuelahWitch Sep 2015 #9
only in the real world. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #10
When I received an email from DNC telling me to go watch the Republican debates Pope Sweet Jesus Sep 2015 #12
And....sure....we all believe you! Turned off your "spigot" of money? The DNC weeps. DU weeps. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #15
Way to show disrespect, Fred RobertEarl Sep 2015 #19
Come on, did you read the comment I responded to? On the contrary, isn't supporting such comments Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #21
Sure I read it RobertEarl Sep 2015 #22
Clipping quotes......my whole sentence is right here!....is what is shameful, and not clever at all. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #23
You're losing it Fred RobertEarl Sep 2015 #24
I think I will! It is a very nice day! Thanks for the suggestion! Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #25
we can do both, have more debates and draw a contrast with the Republicans virtualobserver Sep 2015 #2
Love the Bernie doll!! haikugal Sep 2015 #27
Our first debate is going to have a lot of viewers with this build up. Nt NCTraveler Sep 2015 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Sep 2015 #11
It better have more then 24 million or we'll never hear yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #14
Quality over quantity, debate over babble....the concern over ratings is a side issue. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #17
I personally agree with you yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #18
This is only a mediocre article regarding the debates, no mention of several dynamics Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #7
Bernie should start talking about where HE thinks Hillary is on the issues... NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #8
Ummm, in 1980 there WAS a Democratic president seeking a second term KelleyKramer Sep 2015 #13
K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #16
Run of the mill Democrats are seeing that this process is as rigged hifiguy Sep 2015 #20
as it is (with 2 candidates) each one will have 4 hours to make their points...Not enough time? Bill USA Sep 2015 #26
Last I knew there are more than just 2 candidates in the running. eom Purveyor Sep 2015 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #28

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. Retorted? And what is the correct answer? Rec'd for posing the question!
Sun Sep 20, 2015, 06:35 PM
Sep 2015

Wasserman-Shultz was right to ask the question - not "retort", as "opinionated" in the WP "report":


"Asked Wassermann Schultz: “What’s more important, drawing a contrast with Republicans or arguing about debates?”"

Answer: Drawing a contrast with Republicans is more important than arguing about (the number of) debates.

Ergo: "U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton accuses Republican counterpart Donald Trump of ''trying to bully and buy his way into the presidency''."

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
4. And magic pixie fairies are standing by to draw that contrast!!!
Sun Sep 20, 2015, 08:31 PM
Sep 2015

Lord knows we couldn't draw a contrast by, say, debating.

Much better to let only the Republicans talk, and await the pixie contrast delivery.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
5. It takes two to argue
Sun Sep 20, 2015, 08:43 PM
Sep 2015

DWS is acting as if she has no agency in the matter when she has more agency than anyone else, she is the one in the drivers seat and is at least as much a part of any argument over debates as anyone else is.

 

Pope Sweet Jesus

(62 posts)
12. When I received an email from DNC telling me to go watch the Republican debates
Sun Sep 20, 2015, 10:42 PM
Sep 2015

I said "What for? If I wanted to see clowns on parade, I'd buy a ticket to the circus" and replied as such. I then turned off the money spigot for the DNC - totally tone deaf and certainly not for the people.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
15. And....sure....we all believe you! Turned off your "spigot" of money? The DNC weeps. DU weeps.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 08:47 AM
Sep 2015

My morning chuckle...thanks!

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
21. Come on, did you read the comment I responded to? On the contrary, isn't supporting such comments
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 06:13 PM
Sep 2015

from new posters, 60 posts, deserving of disrespect?

Or will any anti-Hillary comment do? Which is why some wonder why Sanders supporters are not "well-liked" on DU...some are less Sanders supporters than they are here at DU, and elsewhere I would wager, to hate on Hillary........open your eyes.

Or not, whatever, knock yourself out pretending otherwise.

And, yes, I admit it!

I have "new poster bias"....I will talk to my shrink about it.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
22. Sure I read it
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 06:20 PM
Sep 2015

You should read it again, apparently for the first time. It was showing displeasure only at the DNC, and not, as you twisted it "hate on Hillary"

Look at your reply about showing even more dis-respect for new posters.
To whit: "... isn't supporting such comments from new posters deserving of disrespect? "

Shameful exposition, Fred.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
2. we can do both, have more debates and draw a contrast with the Republicans
Sun Sep 20, 2015, 07:17 PM
Sep 2015

Debates would be the perfect place to draw that contrast.

Response to NCTraveler (Reply #6)

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
14. It better have more then 24 million or we'll never hear
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:50 AM
Sep 2015

the end of it. We need to beat those Repugs in viewers. Our biggest viewers was 5.6 million viewers between Clinton and Obama. We have to do better then that.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
17. Quality over quantity, debate over babble....the concern over ratings is a side issue.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 02:33 PM
Sep 2015

The CNN and Fox GOP Clown Debates is nothing that anyone should want to set any standard by.

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
7. This is only a mediocre article regarding the debates, no mention of several dynamics
Sun Sep 20, 2015, 08:51 PM
Sep 2015

1. Bernie Sanders.

2. Expired state registration dates in some states ie: New York, before the debates even begin.

3. Sanctions against candidates for participating in non-approved debates.

4. Scheduling debates on weekends instead of weekdays when they would most likely be viewed.

5. Scheduling a debate opposite of a prime time NFL game between the Dallas Cowboys and New York Jets.

Thanks for the thread, Purveyor.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
8. Bernie should start talking about where HE thinks Hillary is on the issues...
Sun Sep 20, 2015, 09:01 PM
Sep 2015

since she is not detailing her positions beyond vague generalities, and given that there will be limited debates on inconvenient times/dates.

For instance, he can speak to his position on Social Security, and then state that while Hillary has not made her positions clear, it is safe to assume that she, like her establishment Democrat peers, support cutting benefits through means such as chained CPI, means testing, and raising the retirement age.

That would pretty much size up the truth. Then it would be on Hillary to own up to it, or to refute them all...on the record.

KelleyKramer

(8,958 posts)
13. Ummm, in 1980 there WAS a Democratic president seeking a second term
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 12:33 AM
Sep 2015


So are they trying to say it's the fewest since 1984? 1976?
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
20. Run of the mill Democrats are seeing that this process is as rigged
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 06:13 PM
Sep 2015

as a 3-card monte game and they are royally pissed about it.

People do not want a shotgun wedding to HRH as the Democratic nominee.

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