2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTwo days later, Sanders draws five times as many people as Clinton to event at same university in N.
Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders drew an estimated 3,000 people to a boisterous rally here Sunday night at the University of New Hampshire, about five times as many people as Democratic rival Hillary Rodham Clinton attracted to an event two days ago at the same campus.
You may not know this, but what youre part of tonight is the largest turnout for any presidential candidate in New Hampshire, Sanders said at the outset of his rally, referring to the 2016 cycle.
Most of the audience members in the universitys fieldhouse were college students, a group Sanders said had a reputation for being apathetic. It sounds to me like you are ready to transform America, he said to loud applause.
When Clinton appeared on campus here two days earlier, about 600 people came to see her at a forum about college affordability. About 300 people were seated in a room at the student union while nearly 300 watched from an overflow room during the event Friday morning, according to figures provided by Clinton's campaign.
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the large disparity in crowd sizes highlights an enthusiasm gap among younger voters in the early nominating states. Recent polls from Iowa and New Hampshire have shown Sanders with sizable leads over Clinton among voters younger than 30.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/20/two-days-later-sanders-draws-five-times-as-many-people-as-clinton-to-event-at-same-university-in-n-h/
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)That was probably the intent.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)Anyone have independent confirmation of those numbers? Anyone?
Anyone?
Bueller?
Crickets!
The article linked in the OP has a very nice picture of the crowd of students attending Bernie's rally.
Also in the article, a whining excuse from Clinton's aides:
While Clinton's event was open to the public, aides said that it was not meant to draw a rally-sized crowd and that Clinton was focused on holding a thoughtful discussion.
OK, "Clinton aides" - where's a video of ANY "discussion" between Hillary and the alleged 300 students. And what about photos of her mingling afterward with the alleged additional 300 in the overflow area. We know that's what Bernie does - even after his energetic, impassioned speech to crowds at rallies, he goes to overflow areas to personally thank those crowds, lets people take selfies with him without charging them $2700 per photo, and GASP!, actually answers questions.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)uponit7771
(90,370 posts)... gets the nomination she'll pull these crowd sizes and bigger.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)I keep hearing how many Super Delegates have "pledged" to Hillary. Yeah, right! It may come as a shock to the Clinton camp, but a Super Delegate pledge does not constitute any kind of binding legal contract. Nor is it even a religious or morally binding promise like a marriage vow, i.e., when Bill pledged his troth to cling only unto Hillary, forsaking all others till death do they part. Here's the real deal, and it ain't good news for Hill.
Superdelegates have to consider how to use their votes carefully. They may:
Vote in step with how the voters in the majority of states voted
Vote in line with Democratic voters nationwide
Vote in favor of the candidate with the most pledged delegates, even if it is just a slim majority.
A superdelegate can also choose to vote his or her "conscience." This is one way of saying that a superdelegate may not vote the way the majority of voters do, but on the candidate he or she feels is best. "Superdelegates are supposed to vote their conscience and supposed to vote for person they think would make the best candidate and the best president," Howard Wolfson of Hillary Clinton's campaign said in February 2008 . This is what California Congressman Dennis Cordoza did when he officially switched his pledge from Clinton to Obama the following May, citing her "contentious primary campaign" .
Cordoza illustrated another characteristic unique to superdelegates -- they're allowed to switch their pledges from one candidate to another. They can also pledge and switch long before the national convention. Most commonly, a superdelegate rescinds his or her pledge based on his or her constituency. In the 2008 primaries, Georgia Rep. David Scott changed his pledge from Sen. Hillary Clinton to Sen. Barack Obama. Around 80 percent of the Democratic voters in Scott's district voted for Obama, and Scott changed his pledge .
Ohlemacher, Stephen. Superdelegates are flocking to Obama. Associated Press. February 23, 2008. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080223/D8V007M80.html
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)... matters instead of constantly saying Americas government sucks...
That was RayGuns stick... he did well with it though
jeff47
(26,549 posts)You should probably think more about your posts before writing them.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)... I could be wrong, if so do you have any sources?
tia
jeff47
(26,549 posts)It's not a good position for a congressperson to vote against the majority of their district's Democrats. So many early pledges to Clinton switched to Obama. A smaller number of Obama pledges switched to Clinton.
Clinton released her delegates in 2008, so they were "free" to switch. It's difficult to say how many in the end switched because of that, because their district went "the other way", or because they really changed their mind.
There is nothing in the DNC rules that make superdelegate pledges binding. They're free to change their mind up until they actually vote.
There was no "en mass" switch during the primaries, so you aren't going to find coverage of en mass switching, there's only individual stories. Probably the one that got the most attention was John Lewis http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/us/politics/15clinton.html?pagewanted=all
mythology
(9,527 posts)In 2008 the Clinton campaign didn't focus on those delegates, particularly in caucuses. In this campaign they are trying to focus on those. It obviously remains to be seen if that will be successful.
But even though super delegates can switch, getting them on your side early gains access to their networks and contacts. That isn't a bad thing to have.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Hillary's campaign is in a zombie state. It is the campaign that just won't die. Few people want her now. Her own party is trying its best to find a palatable alternative.
Her time was 8 years ago when she lost to a relatively unknown, junior senator from Illinois.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,513 posts)Thanks for the thread, Jesus Malverde.