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Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 05:27 PM Sep 2015

with regard to number of debates for Democratic candidates.. consider you've got 2 vs 10 (GOP)

6 debates, let's say two hours long, with 10 candidates (GOP), means you've got 72 minutes per candidate.


4 debates, 2 hours long each, with two candidates figures out to 240 minutes per candidate. With 3 candidates, that's 160 minutes per candidate.


... Now, what's the problem?



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with regard to number of debates for Democratic candidates.. consider you've got 2 vs 10 (GOP) (Original Post) Bill USA Sep 2015 OP
The current events are framed by repubs currently. morningfog Sep 2015 #1
your comment is inane. There are those who say HRC's people are being unfair in Bill USA Sep 2015 #5
You are wrong RobertEarl Sep 2015 #12
Another day, another shill. What's new? morningfog Sep 2015 #16
He's a hard worker? RobertEarl Sep 2015 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Sep 2015 #19
To be fair, I don't know enough about this poster. morningfog Sep 2015 #20
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word inane. morningfog Sep 2015 #17
It takes a lot more time to substantively debate the issues, rather than just calling each other Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #2
This is the #1 thing that repugs have going for them... ion_theory Sep 2015 #4
We should have 2 debates already. Duh! RobertEarl Sep 2015 #3
as it is (with 2 candidates) she'll have 4 hours. Bill USA Sep 2015 #9
I want 50 hours RobertEarl Sep 2015 #10
Why do you keep repeating this two candidate bullshit? You KNOW there are more than two candidates. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #21
Few people are in 'favor' of fewer debates. Most of us simply don't care. randome Sep 2015 #14
Doesnt really fucking matter if no one is going to watch them. bunnies Sep 2015 #6
Ya think bernie can get his message across in 72 minutes, after all, it's the same message? leftofcool Sep 2015 #7
Good point, if the candidate wants to be noticed the DNC planned debates is a good deal. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #8
Last Republican debate was 3 hours long jfern Sep 2015 #11
There are several other candidates Bucky Sep 2015 #13
This thread begins with poor math and low information. Koinos Sep 2015 #15
The problem is one of strategy. Garrett78 Sep 2015 #22
There are currently 5 Democratic candidates... ljm2002 Sep 2015 #23
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
1. The current events are framed by repubs currently.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 05:31 PM
Sep 2015

They spend their debates framing current ever issues while Dema are left tweeting responses.

The media covers the repub positions and framing an we have nothing until mid-October.

Your question is silly. It's not per-candidate time that is the issue. It's the per-party time and the concession of framing on current events.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
5. your comment is inane. There are those who say HRC's people are being unfair in
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 05:42 PM
Sep 2015

negotiating 4 instead of 6 or some other number of debates. this is about how much time HRC's and BErnie's people think is needed to get said what each candidate wants to get said. This is strictly looking at how much time is available per candidate. As to how the M$M wants to cover the election that's an entirely different issue and not under the control of HRC's people.

HRC has to answer the insinuating questions asked of her by the GOP toadies of M$M. She can't tell them what to ask her. However, in the Dickerson interview, she tried to bring the conversation back to policies even when he wanted to just ask her about opinion polls and people's impressions.

Try to keep up.
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
12. You are wrong
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 06:52 PM
Sep 2015

Or maybe just making stuff up to protect HRC?

Bernie wants more debates and more time. Not, like you claim so wrongly:
"...how much time HRC's and BErnie's people think is needed...."

Admit you are way wrong and we can go from there. Otherwise you are just making false assumptions that should just be wiped from one's shoes.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
18. He's a hard worker?
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 08:48 PM
Sep 2015

I like a good debate, but debating manure? Just scrape it off the shoe and move on, is good advice.

Response to morningfog (Reply #16)

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
20. To be fair, I don't know enough about this poster.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:15 PM
Sep 2015

There are, without a doubt, shills here. Most are pretty obvious. And any shill who doesn't disclose their relationship with the campaign for which they work or volunteer, is a troll. It's like a Venn diagram. Trolls, shills and some are both.

The rest of us are folks arguing at the pub.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. It takes a lot more time to substantively debate the issues, rather than just calling each other
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 05:35 PM
Sep 2015

sleepy poopyheads.

ion_theory

(235 posts)
4. This is the #1 thing that repugs have going for them...
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 05:39 PM
Sep 2015

Most, if not all, of their positions can be written on a bumper sticker and require no nuance at all. That is the opposite of how issues should be discussed and is making our country dumber.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
3. We should have 2 debates already. Duh!
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 05:38 PM
Sep 2015

I am flabbergasted that anyone on DU is posting in support of less debates. That's like eating your shoe before walking in sandspurs.

The reason we have fewer debates is so Hillary can have her coronation with no fuss. Screw that. Make Hillary stand before us and explain herself!

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
10. I want 50 hours
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 06:36 PM
Sep 2015

Why is she hiding? Is she afraid of being on national TV under the Democratic banner?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
14. Few people are in 'favor' of fewer debates. Most of us simply don't care.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:11 PM
Sep 2015

Face it, your mind is already made up, isn't it? Most people's are. That's not intended as a sleight, it's just the way things are.

I'd prefer Sanders to Clinton but math says it's going to be Clinton and I'm okay with that. My adherence to Democratic debates will be to read what people say on DU the day after.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)
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bunnies

(15,859 posts)
6. Doesnt really fucking matter if no one is going to watch them.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 05:44 PM
Sep 2015

Does it? What genius puts NH's debate the weekend before Christmas?!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
8. Good point, if the candidate wants to be noticed the DNC planned debates is a good deal.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 05:54 PM
Sep 2015

If the candidates and moderators are wise in talking about policy rather than rift raft then lots of policy and the candidates stand on the issues will be much more productive.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
11. Last Republican debate was 3 hours long
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 06:43 PM
Sep 2015

And the Democratic debate will have 5 or 6, depending on whether Biden attends.
Also there are about twice as many Republican debates scheduled, and their field narrows.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
15. This thread begins with poor math and low information.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:40 PM
Sep 2015

Debates will include Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley, Chafee, and Webb. If Biden enters the race, that will be six, not two.

Another argument for having more debates: Let all the candidates be heard, not just Sanders and Clinton.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
22. The problem is one of strategy.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:45 PM
Sep 2015

I'm far less concerned with the number of debates than with the fact that Democrats didn't have a debate within a day or two of the Republican debates. Debates amount to massive free advertising for the party message, and the Democratic Party lost a golden opportunity to demonstrate the contrast between ideologies, seriousness (please no nonsense about Secret Service code names) and temperament.

Will Rogers was right to say that he didn't belong to an organized (or competent) political party--he was a Democrat.

Is the eventual Democratic nominee doomed? Of course not. But allowing the Republicans to dominate the airwaves and frame the discussion, the Democratic Party is making an easily avoidable mistake.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
23. There are currently 5 Democratic candidates...
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:50 PM
Sep 2015

...and all of them deserve a chance to present their ideas to the voters / caucus-goers of the Democratic party -- preferably before the primaries in most of the states.

The scheduling of the debates is laughable, or maybe more accurately, cryable, as they allow the Republicans to frame the issues. And for those who say people aren't interested in debates, then why are the Republican debates scoring 20 million viewers or so? Not having our own debates is helping the GOP.

The real corker is the exclusivity clause that was put in place for the first time ever: none of our candidates can debate in any non-DNC-sanctioned event or they will be excluded from participation in the sanctioned debates.

It is really pretty outrageous. I wish Debbie Wasserman Schultz would change her mind on this, at the very least on the issue of the exclusivity rule. That way we could get our candidates' ideas out there earlier, and we could frame issues from our side rather than ceding all to the Republicans in these early stages.

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