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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 06:59 PM Sep 2015

Wow, a couple polls is all it took for the poll trutherism to hit Dick Morris levels.

That thing about how CNN supposedly only polled people over 50 was downright hilarious.

Here's a tip to my friends in the Bernie camp. Polls come and go, numbers go up and down. Just hang in there, pretty soon there'll be a poll you like. No need to lose your heads over this.

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Wow, a couple polls is all it took for the poll trutherism to hit Dick Morris levels. (Original Post) DanTex Sep 2015 OP
Agreed, Hillary will be up at the proper time. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #1
How long before Bernie supporters create their own "unskewed" polls? nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #2
never but thanks for the concern. roguevalley Sep 2015 #36
Some of the poll conspiracies remind me of the Romney people in 2012. Renew Deal Sep 2015 #3
Oh that is so gawd damn funny! leftofcool Sep 2015 #4
It appears they were convinced Bernie was going to just continue rising in the polls.. DCBob Sep 2015 #5
one poorly designed poll out of many. He still leads in NH and Iowa. Those are the roguevalley Sep 2015 #37
The CNN poll only surveyed 392 Democrats and Democratically-leaning independents. MindfulOne Sep 2015 #6
Yeah, about the same as the other polls. Margin of error for a sample that size is about 5%. DanTex Sep 2015 #11
Statistically that number is fine. Gman Sep 2015 #29
No need to write a post so condescending. jkbRN Sep 2015 #7
Sure it is. That's what he does. jeff47 Sep 2015 #15
Um, jkbRN Sep 2015 #26
You're operating under the assumption that they actually want to jeff47 Sep 2015 #27
Haha, touché sir!! jkbRN Sep 2015 #33
It is hilarious the lengths they will go, to hide the fact that Bernie is the choice of young voters reformist2 Sep 2015 #8
What we need are debates, more of them and NOW. I am confident that either Bernie randys1 Sep 2015 #9
patronizing superiority and condescension virtualobserver Sep 2015 #10
Huh, I must have missed the 90-rec post where a Hillary supporter falsely tried to pretend DanTex Sep 2015 #12
you weren't on the poll debunking team that day virtualobserver Sep 2015 #14
Thanks for the link! I'll check it out. DanTex Sep 2015 #16
I discovered long ago that "proving" things to Hillary evangelists was a complete waste of time virtualobserver Sep 2015 #30
Yes, given that there are no facts behind your rhetoric, it is indeed a waste of time. DanTex Sep 2015 #31
no, the way that it works is that you ignore the fact and move on to your next talking point virtualobserver Sep 2015 #32
Funny. Anyway, thanks for the link. Always great when people back their rhetoric with evidence. DanTex Sep 2015 #34
Not funny, Just True. virtualobserver Sep 2015 #35
No Dan, one poll. jeff47 Sep 2015 #13
You must missed the 90-plus recs for the OP pretending that CNN didn't poll under 50. DanTex Sep 2015 #17
Glad you admitted it was one poll. You should edit your OP. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #18
That was the one that Bernie fans freaked out about, hilariously. DanTex Sep 2015 #19
So, lying in your OP is OK? jeff47 Sep 2015 #20
Huh? I'm not lying, Bernie Sanders fans did, in fact, freak out about that poll. DanTex Sep 2015 #21
Do you need me to link the definition of "couple" for you? jeff47 Sep 2015 #22
You're right, it's more than just two, the last week or so has been pretty good poll-wise for HRC. DanTex Sep 2015 #23
If you mean "good" as "dropping slower", then yes. jeff47 Sep 2015 #24
I mean the the gap has widened. Hence the hilarious poll-trutherism. DanTex Sep 2015 #25
The equivalent of JackInGreen Sep 2015 #28
Actually, the Clinton people got to the poll trutherism first. Jim Lane Sep 2015 #38

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
5. It appears they were convinced Bernie was going to just continue rising in the polls..
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:07 PM
Sep 2015

until he surpassed Hillary. The CNN poll crushed all that.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
37. one poorly designed poll out of many. He still leads in NH and Iowa. Those are the
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 08:51 PM
Sep 2015

polls that count right now, not CNN.

 

MindfulOne

(227 posts)
6. The CNN poll only surveyed 392 Democrats and Democratically-leaning independents.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:09 PM
Sep 2015

That's not a particularly useful number if you want reliable data.

No sleep lost here, there will be other polls and, in the end, the only one that matters is on election day.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
29. Statistically that number is fine.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 08:16 PM
Sep 2015

Statistically you could have as few as (IIRC from statistics 20 years ago) 30 to be significant. There's a large error margin, but it would still be a bell curve.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
15. Sure it is. That's what he does.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:25 PM
Sep 2015

Also, if this same poll said Sanders was ahead, he'd be on the "no under 50" bandwagon.

Heads, Dan wins. Tails, Dan wins.

jkbRN

(850 posts)
26. Um,
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 08:08 PM
Sep 2015

just letting you know that your statement "sure it is. that's what he does" puts you on the same level.

Childish.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
27. You're operating under the assumption that they actually want to
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 08:14 PM
Sep 2015

elevate the level of discussion here. That doesn't serve their goals. Childish is all we will have here until after the 2016 general election.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
9. What we need are debates, more of them and NOW. I am confident that either Bernie
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:12 PM
Sep 2015

or Hillary can win this election as long as we dont sit back and let the terrorists create a false narrative.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
10. patronizing superiority and condescension
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:13 PM
Sep 2015

paint such a beautiful picture of Hillary supporters

Funny, since I've seen Hillary supporters denigrating particular polls when they don't like the outcome.



DanTex

(20,709 posts)
12. Huh, I must have missed the 90-rec post where a Hillary supporter falsely tried to pretend
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:23 PM
Sep 2015

that a poll didn't survey people of certain ages. I guess I'll have to take your word for it...

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
32. no, the way that it works is that you ignore the fact and move on to your next talking point
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 08:36 PM
Sep 2015

so what is the point, really.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
17. You must missed the 90-plus recs for the OP pretending that CNN didn't poll under 50.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:37 PM
Sep 2015

Too bad, because it was truly hilarious. Maybe you can still find it.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
19. That was the one that Bernie fans freaked out about, hilariously.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:49 PM
Sep 2015

Though I'm sure it won't be the last.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
20. So, lying in your OP is OK?
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:50 PM
Sep 2015

Can I link to this anytime you complain about accuracy in a pro-Sanders post?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
22. Do you need me to link the definition of "couple" for you?
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:56 PM
Sep 2015

Or do you want to keep counting the "CBS Poll" that was reporting on the CNN poll?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
23. You're right, it's more than just two, the last week or so has been pretty good poll-wise for HRC.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:57 PM
Sep 2015

So, OK, I plead guilty for using the word "couple" to mean "a few".

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
24. If you mean "good" as "dropping slower", then yes.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:58 PM
Sep 2015

But hey, truthiness is more important, right?

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
38. Actually, the Clinton people got to the poll trutherism first.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 12:11 AM
Sep 2015

You may remember all the pronouncements, including DU posts, about Clinton's huge lead in the polls. I don't know if any of them actually used the word "inevitable", but there was definitely a strain of thought that said or implied that the polls showed she would be the nominee and that any criticism of her was therefore giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Well, that lasted until polls started showing Sanders moving up, with one key breakthrough coming when he took the lead in New Hampshire. When that happened, we promptly had this post in (of course) the Hillary Clinton Group, with the highlight:

"Although the polls say otherwise right now, I think Hillary will win the primary," a New Hampshire Democrat said. "It is still early, she retooled her campaign to better reflect her authenticity, trustworthiness and exceptional qualifications. Polls have been proven wrong, especially in NH!"....


A sterling example of poll trutherism, IMO.

If this week's polls are better for Clinton, then I assume that the assessment of their accuracy (at least in certain quarters) will go up -- for now.
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