The new CNN poll shows Bernie still has a POC problem.

[DCBob]

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Bernie only captures 17% of the non-white vote.

[DCBob]

3. Can someone PPR this loser.

[valerief]

2. You mean the non-white people aged 50 OR OLDER. nt

[DCBob]

5. You still believe that bogus non-sense??

That has been debunked over and over.

[valerief]

6. You mean page 7? nt

[DCBob]

8. Yes, the infamous page 7... LOL!

Just read this..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1212426

[jkbRN]

14. Hm, maybe you didn't read it in full

They were just not displayed in the crosstabs section due to large error rate due to small sample size. The overall survey result includes them. This only impacts the crosstabs breakdown. Its a survey science thing... if the error rate is very high don't even show it because it could be misleading. They deal with the small sample size by weighting. This is a good poll.. imo.

The overall survey may include them but the fact remains that it was too small of a sample size--and this is in a national poll, so there is no excuse for not including a large enough sample to represent ALL groups.

I don't know what you are LOLing about when the facts are right in front of you and all you can do is fight them with another users comments.

Pitiful.

[DCBob]

21. Are you a survey scientist?

[jkbRN]

24. Ha, no I am a nurse

it only takes someone that knows how read to see the flaws.

Btw, I think the correct terminology you are looking for is a statistician or a data analyst, not a "survey scientist"

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

38. 538 gives them an A-

It's a solid poll.

[jkbRN]

40. Prior accuracy ratings do not define future polls

Especially when:

We last issued a major set of pollster ratings in June 2010 and made only a cursory update before the 2012 elections.

The facts still remain the same. A letter grade from 3-5 years ago is not an accurate representation of the poll released today.

Source: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-fivethirtyeight-calculates-pollster-ratings/

[jkbRN]

13. Probably why the user cropped the pic

Some subgroups represent too small a share of the national population to produce crosstabs with an acceptable sampling error. Interviews were conducted among these subgroups, but results for groups with a sampling error larger than +/-8.5 percentage points are not displayed and instead are denoted with "N/A".

There is NO excuse for this in a NATIONAL poll.

[GeorgeGist]

16. Yeah, like those under 50. LOL

The Cretin News Network.

[dsc]

46. It actually happens all the time with subsets of a national poll

For example, there are rarely enough LGBT people in a sample to get a read. Same with racial minorities (which is why there isn't a number for specific groups there). As another thread stated, about 45% of the sample was under 50.

[jkbRN]

55. How would there be 45% under fifty--

and yet that is too small of a sample to state. I'm sorry, but that's not true. Comparing LGBT and people under fifty is completely off base.

Here are the stats:

18-24: 31.5 million (9.9%)
25-34: 43.5 million (13.6%)
35-44: 40.5 million (12.7%)

http://www.marketingcharts.com/traditional/so-how-many-millennials-are-there-in-the-us-anyway-30401/

Latest estimate shows that 3.8% actually identify as LGBT

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183383/americans-greatly-overestimate-percent-gay-lesbian.aspx

Not a viable comparison, at all.

Ps, this poll, somehow, didn't have enough people UNDER 50, I am not talking about racial minorities nor sexual orientation.

[Gman]

4. Those numbers will change very little

Unless Biden doesn't run. His support would go to Hillary.

[MindfulOne]

7. There's another dollar in my Bernie Sanders donation jar.

Every new post I see pushing doom and gloom over Bernie is another buck in the jar.

Keep up the good work.

By the way, that CNN poll was of just 392 respondents. I'm not worried.

[DCBob]

10. Bernie is going to need more than a few bucks in a jar.

Save your money.

[Fred Sanders]

17. Lot of new posters either suddenly refusing to donate to Clinton or are now giving to Sanders!

And say not much else other than to stir things up...so they say.

[artislife]

25. Our perceptions give away our filters

I see a lot of new H supporters...hee

[Fred Sanders]

30. More like filters create the perceptions, but point taken. Fakery abounds.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

37. That's the same number as the last one they did...

[Cheese Sandwich]

9. How much should he be getting for it not to be a "problem"?

[DCBob]

11. More than 17%.

I would think close to 50% would qualify as decent. He wont get there.

[Cheese Sandwich]

12. He's getting 30% of the white vote and 17% of the non-white vote

Edit:

Wait according to this he's getting 30% of the white vote and 17% of the non-white vote, and you're calling that Bernie's "POC Problem"?

It doesn't seem like a huge problem to me.

He has a "voter problem" yeah. As in not enough people in general are voting for him to win.

I don't see a "POC problem". Even if people of color just split toward Hillary, that still doesn't make it a "Bernie's POC Problem". It just means people of color are splitting toward Hillary because maybe they like her for some reason.

People of color are not some prize that politicians win like a trophy.

You could just as easily look at these numbers and say look at "Bernie's White People Problem" because he's only getting 30% of the white vote.

[virtualobserver]

18. Bernie is rising monthly with POC

Like most Americans, they still haven't heard of him

[artislife]

26. I follow The Root on FB

Their website articles don't get a lot of comments, but when it is brought to FB there are plenty.
https://www.facebook.com/theRoot?fref=ts
If you scroll down to Sept 19th you will see an article on Sanders needing the Black vote. Read the comments. They are are skewing pro Bernie, but I know that if there was a Hillary piece, the same could happen. But I am looking at this and feeling a little happiness brewing.

[virtualobserver]

31. Bernie isn't going to appeal to everyone but most people can see that he is totally straight

Members of the Hillary crowd act as if Bernie is well known but the reality is, even now, a huge percentage of people have not really been exposed to him. As they are exposed, a large percentage will be attracted to him.

People are just people and most of us can spot authenticity.

After a couple of debates we will see the true state of this race.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

36. That's the standard answer, but when those PoC do know him his favs are negative.

[virtualobserver]

39. not from what I've seen

[frylock]

15. oh noes!

[romanic]

19. Is there a speicific percentage to where it's not a "problem"?

If so please do tell for us who are "Non-White" that do support Bernie - since apparently were like unicorns now or something.

[108vcd]

20. he doesn't have a POC problem

he has a name recognition problem with a voting block that for various obvious reasons, doesn't pay as much attention to politics

part of white privilege is having the time to pay attention at this point in time

[uponit7771]

28. "Doesn't pay attention to politics" is condescending at best you know that right? Maybe Sanders

... hasn't paid any attention to creating a long term relationship with PoC?!?

tia

[TM99]

44. Many in our community

are as uneducated and as misinformed as poor white's are. They are focused on survival and not on Tumblr reading about micro-aggressions.

Sanders has an understated and quite long relational history with PoC from his civil rights days in the 1960's to his support of Jackson for president in the 1980's to his work with Black Caucus members like Barbara Lee with whom he co-founded the Progressive Caucus.

Stop the damned lies!

[uponit7771]

45. A relationship with a community involves more than being an activist for its causes. I think.....

... the big disconnect here is the "I'm for you therefore I know you" and that's not true.

I'm for Obama, I'm not a cheer leader but I'm for him and the imperfect that he's done so far

That doesn't mean he knows me from Adam

The "damn lie" is the expectation of blacks to know someone who hasn't spent the time like Clinton has knowing us

[TM99]

48. I keep hearing from all of her supporters about how

the Clintons know us and our community.

In what ways? Their policies which during the 1990's increased the harm to the black and brown communities? Saying all lives matter at a church outside Ferguson?

I am sorry but from where I sit in the community it is just smoke and mirrors. It is a hand-shake, a photo op, and a speech. It is shallow and superficial like saying Bill Clinton was the first black president because he ate barbecue in Arkansas and played the saxophone on the Arsenio Hall show.

The damned lie is falling for this and believing that a neoliberal corporatist is going to push economic AND social justice issues to the forefront once elected.

[uponit7771]

62. I don't believe Hillary is Satan spawn, I'll leave that up to wingers so there's really nothing in..

... her past that she hasn't evolved on that moves me to the "can't support her" column.

Sanders can talk about all we're supposed to do but I don't see him leading a 30r0w0ee million person march through Washington for single payer with multiple signing statements to go around them.

He didn't do that in the 30 years he has been in congress

aint happening... there's nothing he's said so far that indicates it can.

If Sanders gets the nom I'm all in for any of them

[TM99]

63. I never said she was Satan's spawn, so that

is an odd thing to add.

Sanders walks the talk. He has in the past and is doing so in the present. There are recent examples from an NAACP march in VA to joining a strike on the picket line. Obama promised to put on his soft shoes. It was rhetoric said to get progressives to vote for him. Sanders will do those things as we are already seeing.

Will he organize a march for single payer with 30 million people? Who knows. I wouldn't put it past him though.

[uponit7771]

64. I don't think she has less character than Sanders or Obama or etc on the dem side. That's not a ...

... tilting factor for me.

Sanders can have all the good intentions he wants but as far as getting anything done he'll be in the same situation Obama is in and he'll do maybe a little better as far as who he's tied to but not that much... we're not talking night an day there.

... and yes,

The way Sanders has critiqued others he as president needs to lead 30 million people marches through Washington and sign signing statements around congress to get what he wants done.

He basically, on video, blames Obama for "leaving his support" (sic) as if Obama is supposed to be a civil rights coordinator while being president at the same time.

I don't see him doing any of that, he hasn't done that so far

[TM99]

66. We will just have to disagree.

Yes, Obama had the support of the people. Had he tapped that between 2008 and 2010 before he lost Democratic majority in the congress, imagine what he could have accomplished for progressive issues.

But you see, Obama isn't a progressive. He is a Reagan New Dem. He admits it. Many were duped. Some were not like myself.

Sanders' history shows that he will do something different. His criticism is valid. Yes, he will fight the same GOP obstructionistic Congress as Obama has. He won't be willing to be bi-partisan like Obama has focused on as part of his 'legacy'.

I definitely disagree with regards to Clinton's character. Obama and Sanders are miles beyond her on that accord. She lies. She manipulates. She is passive aggressive using surrogates to run dirty campaigns. She wants to be president more than she ought to be president.

[NanceGreggs]

29. Oh, do tell ...

... what those "various obvious reasons" are.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

51. I notice you only have 73 posts.

Are you an agent provocateur or just dumb?

[SonderWoman]

22. If Biden doesn't run, Hillary with women and non-white will skyrocket.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

35. You betcha.

The only real chance Bernie has is if Biden comes in. Otherwise he's a footnote.

[AtomicKitten]

41. Hillary lost 29 pts support in 8 weeks from Democratic women.

Clinton's support erodes sharply among Democratic women.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-sharp-erosion-in-clinton-support-among-democratic-women/2015/09/14/6406e2a0-58c3-11e5-b8c9-944725fcd3b9_story.html

[TheCowsCameHome]

23. So who exactly has the problem?

[RiverLover]

27. I've read that 80% of blacks have never heard of him before. /nt

[AtomicKitten]

43. That's the problem and the reason the debates are delayed and so few.

It is Camp Weathervane's intention to try to wrap this up before a single vote is cast. Her campaign is smoke & mirrors with over half of her Twitter followers being fake/inactive and over 65% of her Facebook likes purchased from countries like Myanmar and Bangladesh.

[dsc]

47. and you read wrong

the actual number who haven't heard of his is less than 50%.

[TM99]

49. You have a link to prove this right?

[TheKentuckian]

32. Thanks for that thrilling report, Bob! Now here is Brock with the scores.

[JI7]

33. Sanders doesn't have a POC Problem, it's more about Hillary having Strong Support among POC

it's more about how popular HIllary is among many of them .

the lack of support for Sanders isn't a rejection of SAnders himself. it's more about support for someone who is already well liked by them.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

34. No kidding and it hasn't moved at all. Super Tuesday is going to be a day of mourning around here.

[Samantha]

42. Bernie said to Colbert that 40 percent of the American people do not even know his name

Obviously, if 40 percent do not even know his name, they do not know his positions on issues. Sanders said his organization is starting to gear up for Super Tuesday, and by that time I am thinking that there will be a huge positive swing in his direction.

Sam

[Capt. Obvious]

50. Good job striking the iron while it's hot

[Admiral Loinpresser]

52. The race card didn't work in 2008.

Thank Goddess it won't work this time either.

[Bobbie Jo]

54. Just an observation...

People in the Bernie camp keep throwing around terms like "race card," (among others) and continue to wonder why they can't seem to get any traction with the AfAm community.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

56. I disagree on two counts.

First, Bernie is making good progress among all PoC and his numbers will continue to rise in all demographics, imo.

Second, I use the term "race card," because the Clintons have been playing that since 1992. Their austerity measures directed at the poor and their policy of mass incarceration, private prisons, etc., are well documented. The Clintons' awful use of race in 2008 is also well documented. Now in this cycle we see a Clinton meme which is meant, once again to divide us along racial lines, imo.

I believe there are many people of good will who back HRC, but I believe my attacks on her record on racial justice and exploiting race for political gain are justified, based on her record, not her recent rhetoric. I will not back any candidate who uses race for political gain or engages in institutional racism. I think we need a political discourse and campaigns that attempts to unite people, not divide them.

You may have reasons to disagree with my interpretation of her record. Either way, I wish you well.

[Bobbie Jo]

57. Okay

then carry on...

Like I said, it was just an observation.

Take care.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

58. Amendment, with apology.

On reflection, my response to your post "talked past you" in this sense. If I understand you correctly, your point was a response based on your personal reaction to my use of a phrase. Talking past people is a huge problem on this board.

Based on all the ugliness and craziness which has occurred on DU, I believe your reaction is well founded and I respect it. So, I should have thought more and typed less quickly in my initial response to you. I was so eager to justify my original post that I did not think enough about trying to listen. For that, I am sorry.

[Bobbie Jo]

60. Understood.

Thank you for the very classy response.

Yes, it was a personal reaction to the phrase. RW'ers have thrown it out so frequently and dismissively that it has become an abject insult.

I understand where you're coming from as there are no clean hands in this debate. I just wish we could avoid using their language entirely.

I appreciate your post and the spirit in which it was delivered.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

61. I hadn't considered the RW angle.

I will switch to decaf and contemplate that, sister.

[Thinkingabout]

53. The Clintons has a long history in the minority population, it looks like having a long history is

the best way to prove a candidate will continue to work for them.

[DCBob]

59. Yes, I think that's basically it.

Bernie just doesn't have that type of connection and I doubt he can develop that in a few months before voting start.

[Vattel]

65. It takes a while to overcome the smearing done by Hillary supporters.

[twii]

67. seaking of polls a new Texas poll is out

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/politics/article/Poll-Hillary-Clinton-favorite-of-Texas-Democrats-6524924.php

[arely staircase]

68. K&R nt