2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPolitico: Bernie Sanders says the pope's agenda is just like his
Bernie Sanders says the pope's agenda is just like his"He is looking in the eyes of the wealthiest people in this country who make billions of dollars. And he is saying, you know what? You cannot continue to ignore the needs of the poor. You cannot continue to ignore the needs of the sick," the senator continued, remarking that his economic message is one that "many of our Republican colleagues do not want to hear."
"He doesn't have to do this thing, right? He could play it a lot easier. But he is saying the planet is at stake, fossil fuel is contributing significantly to climate change. We have got to address it," Sanders said. "That's what I admire about him, his audacity and his courage."
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and the madness of predatory capitalism that is a very fair statement. And those are the two most imperative issues of our time.
And if Naomi Klein, one of the very best and brightest of the Left, can make common cause with Pope Frank on those issues why can't the rest of us?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)This whole Family Meeting he's here for has banned all the LGBT friendly Catholic groups and they invited Rick Warren. That is not common ground for me, but for an affluent married straight lady like Klein it's just another cozy media event with her friend Francis.
Do you endorse banning some minority groups from various events? If so, which minorities and which events?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It seems that people could qualify their gushing praise of him if they wish to retain the trust of LGBT and pro choice voters. How hard could it be?
portlander23
(2,078 posts)Take what you like, ignore the rest.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)This man is a political activist who opposes equality and reproductive choice. He is being promoted on DU politically.
portlander23
(2,078 posts)I think Report1212 got it right. People aren't promoting the pope as much as they're promoting things the pope is saying that they agree with. I agree that the pope is wrong on a ton of stuff, but I will give him kudos for speaking out on inequality and global warming.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)And that's the problem with this legitimization of a conservative bigot.
portlander23
(2,078 posts)I'll agree with that. It would be better if while praising the pope on things we agree with, we could also point out where he's lacking.
Report1212
(661 posts)You dont have to agree with someone 100% to find some of their ideas commendable thats how you live in a pluralistic society
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)the other area of disagreement? I don't think that you would. So what's your point exactly? Why is it that people can't qualify their drooling over a bigot by saying 'I do not agree with the bigotry'?
Do you think that the Pope calling LGBT persons disordered and our rights from the devil is good for a pluralistic society? Why is that not your concern? You stand not with the people but with powers, that's why.
Report1212
(661 posts)eom
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)There actually no rules about who can become pope. It is not impossible for a Jew from Brooklyn to end up as the landlord in Vatican City. After all it was a Jew in Israel who started the whole thing.
Needless to say, its a lot more likely he could be elected POTUS than POPE.
These are, as the Chinese curse has it, interesting times.
portlander23
(2,078 posts)It sounds like the outlines of an Adam Sandler movie.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Or "King Ralph."
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The pope thinks we should be forced to give birth and that lgbt people shouldn't be allowed to get married or have children.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)They share the same concern for economic disparity and the environment but couldn't be farther apart on women's and LGBT rights.
The Pope is an important voice on the issues where they align however and I welcome his voice on those issues.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)is climate change. if the predictions are as dire as they seem, and if we don't get our collective asses in gear, it wont matter who married who or how much is in anybodys bank account
cuz we'll all be dead.
if the planet dies, we die-----paul watson