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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:00 PM Sep 2015

Bernie Sanders’ Refusal To Attack Hillary Clinton Isn’t Just Principled—It’s Political Genius

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In these Times: Bernie Sanders’ Refusal To Attack Hillary Clinton Isn’t Just Principled—It’s Political Genius

But Sanders’ refusal to produce attack ads has proven to be more than a matter of simple moral consistency. His pledge represented a shrewd political decision by the Sanders campaign—a decision that has now paid off.

Electoral reform is central to Sanders’ platform for president. By swearing off attack ads against his opponents and cash from super PACs which often fund such ads, he has attempted to show that unlike his opponents, he can actually carry out the ideals he speaks so often about.

This decision actually forced Hillary’s campaign into an incredibly difficult position. If she ran an attack ad, she risked coming off as desperate or a bully. But by not running attack ads, she would essentially render herself unable to combat any surge in the polls by Sanders.

On September 14, the Huffington Post received an email from one of Clinton’s Super PACs that intimated Sanders would begin diplomatic ties with terrorists and linked him to the socialist former President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez. In its report on the email, HuffPost concluded it was unclear whether the message would be disseminated to anyone else. If it was, however, “the attack would be in the vein of what Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) said about Sanders earlier this year—that he's unelectable, since he's a self-identified democratic socialist.”

And on September 20, less than one week after the Super PAC attack first went live, Hillary promised CBS News’ John Dickerson on “Face the Nation” that she has “no interest” in running attack ads on Bernie.

Sanders’ commitment to refrain from producing attack ads paid off, allowing him to illustrate a vital contrast between himself and Clinton—and raising his campaign more than a million dollars in donations in the process. Furthermore, his consistency forced Clinton to backtrack on an important issue under public scrutiny, reinforcing the notion that she is simply a politician willing to do whatever it takes to win while Sanders operates out of an ironclad commitment his progressive ideals.

By the end of the primaries, regardless of who wins, the candidate will either be a true progressive dedicated to combatting inequality, fighting systemic racism, and running a clean campaign, or someone forced to champion a number of progressive causes that she likely would have barely considered otherwise. And, unlike Hillary Clinton, that’s what matters to Bernie Sanders—that someone, anyone, gets the job done.


Yep. Not attacking Mrs. Clinton and sticking to policy has not only made Mr. Sanders a superior candidate, but it's neutralized attacks by Mrs. Clinton.

Hillary Clinton Has 'No Interest' In Running Negative Ads Against Bernie Sanders

Video: Mrs. Clinton wouldn't have said the dishonest Sanders smear her Super PAC said on her behalf

WOW !!! - 'Bernie Sanders Raises $1.2 Million Off Of Attack By Clinton-Allied Group' - HuffPo

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Bernie Sanders’ Refusal To Attack Hillary Clinton Isn’t Just Principled—It’s Political Genius (Original Post) portlander23 Sep 2015 OP
How do you "neutralize" something that does not exist? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #1
I was curious about that as well. NoJusticeNoPeace Sep 2015 #2
Because no ads exist. The Sanders versus Clinton mudslinging match is a myth, but it sure does Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Sep 2015 #5
It is almost as if the opposition to HIllary, in many cases, really has nothing to do with NoJusticeNoPeace Sep 2015 #8
Yup. Skidmore Sep 2015 #9
Interesting you would mention all that. The fact there has been zero internal party attack ads Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #18
Uh, that's kinda the entire point of the article. jeff47 Sep 2015 #19
prevented would have been a better word. nt magical thyme Sep 2015 #24
My thoughts, exactly... MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #44
What is the difference in the super pac attacks and the endless smears on DU against Hillary? Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #3
I've seen an examination of Hillary's actual record....I haven't seen any smears virtualobserver Sep 2015 #28
Perhaps you have not read some of the posts I have, yes there are smears. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #32
Brock tried to turn Bernie's attempt to help poor Vermonters into a bad thing virtualobserver Sep 2015 #40
Do you read every single post? MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #45
Well said. Hillary does a good job of smearing herself. Bernie is smart to just let Hillary keep diggin the hole deeper for herself. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #36
Bernie hasn't been an angel but you dont see the constant barrage of talking points over and over Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #46
Fair enough; let the best candidate win. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #63
No shit .... ronnykmarshall Sep 2015 #30
A lot. Campaign coordination, money, etc. morningfog Sep 2015 #43
Hillary doesn't need to attack Bernie upaloopa Sep 2015 #6
Keeping an eye on the real prize and on the real enemy is what she is doing. It is only logical. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #7
Bernie 49; Hillary 36 in NH without Biden. Bernie up 13; not within moe magical thyme Sep 2015 #23
One state does not determine the delegate count. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #33
There are 50 states upaloopa Sep 2015 #58
and IA and UT magical thyme Sep 2015 #59
Hillary leads in IA and a win there for her may be upaloopa Sep 2015 #60
Bernie's doing quite well with his fundraising magical thyme Sep 2015 #61
Right, because the Super PACS will do it for her demwing Sep 2015 #54
Hillary uses surrogate drones to attack Bernie. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #10
Article is about television Attack Ads, which saturate the airwaves emulatorloo Sep 2015 #12
Still it's on TV for widespread public consumption. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #13
The ads are running during Judge Judy. That's widespread. emulatorloo Sep 2015 #14
Okay. Not the same but similar effect. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #16
Lanny Davis has about as much effect against Bernie LuvLoogie Sep 2015 #20
Hillary pays travel & expenses for her surrogates so, yes, the surrogate trash-talking of Bernie AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #22
Do you have a link? Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #34
yes, I do AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #51
It does not matter where the attacks come, yes, Joaquin Castro has had travel expense in going to Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #56
Nonetheless I think that crowd is ineffectual emulatorloo Sep 2015 #25
It is misleading to assert Hillary isn't attacking Bernie. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #52
Surrogates are nothing new. Bernie can handle it. emulatorloo Sep 2015 #57
Keep trying! zappaman Sep 2015 #27
Those fucking fascists! ronnykmarshall Sep 2015 #31
K&R. PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #11
Clinton's campaign hasn't produced any attack ads, either! George II Sep 2015 #15
Yes. It says as such in the article. Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #26
She can't because it will make her look bad, that is the point of the article virtualobserver Sep 2015 #29
Bernie aint no Obama Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #35
He isn't Obama. He is a great man in his own right. virtualobserver Sep 2015 #38
Hillary is a great woman in her own right. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #39
I never said that she wasn't virtualobserver Sep 2015 #41
Such a contrast between Sanders style - sticking to policy, not personality, No Vested Interest Sep 2015 #17
I quite agree--brilliant (as well as decent) strategy! DFW Sep 2015 #21
Another: Clinton will adopt his platform and do it. That's as likely as h*** freezing over. Skwmom Sep 2015 #37
When Hillary talked about voter suppression, then Bernie did also. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #42
Bernie showed up at the CBC meeting on the stolen votes in Florida. Skwmom Sep 2015 #49
Just unveiled her plan, let's see, it was August 13 2013. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #50
She just unveiled her prescription plan. Skwmom Sep 2015 #53
Bernie drew a line in the sand Mnpaul Sep 2015 #47
Actually, it's simply the right thing to do. cyberswede Sep 2015 #48
"a shrewd political decision by the Sanders campaign..." demwing Sep 2015 #55
Not to worry. We haven't seen the last of David Brock's slime machine. in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #62
It is brilliant. However I disagree with one thing the author said. He said that being forced into sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #64

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. Because no ads exist. The Sanders versus Clinton mudslinging match is a myth, but it sure does
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:17 PM
Sep 2015

provide an opportunity for idled minds to display their creative writing skills.

Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #4)

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
8. It is almost as if the opposition to HIllary, in many cases, really has nothing to do with
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:39 PM
Sep 2015

Bernie.

Which would mean... ... ...

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
9. Yup.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:42 PM
Sep 2015

I live in Iowa and the only ads on the Dem side are issue ads and not attack ads. We've been drowning in attack ads on the Republican side when they have enough money. I think it is funny that the local media is at a loss because they are not getting the windfall from political ads that a campaign usually brings.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
18. Interesting you would mention all that. The fact there has been zero internal party attack ads
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:51 PM
Sep 2015

versus the enemy camp attacking each other, like the creepy animals they are, has have gone not unnoticed by the public at large.

But it is a bit early for the media to start panicking about the potential loss of billions of sweet CU and Koch Kash laundered through the 17 clown cars, two lost to their own foolishness, in the GOP train of idiots and scoundrels.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
44. My thoughts, exactly...
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:11 PM
Sep 2015

You don't have to be a genius to see this, either. You just have to get over the fact that NOT EVERYONE is in it for the strategy of their winning so much as the vision of how we all stand to be winners… and that does not stop at the borders of the United States.

Be the person you have always been waiting for seems to be what is happening here… It's just too much for some to realize.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
28. I've seen an examination of Hillary's actual record....I haven't seen any smears
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 08:53 PM
Sep 2015

David Brock's oppo research was an actual smear

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
32. Perhaps you have not read some of the posts I have, yes there are smears.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 09:00 PM
Sep 2015

David Brock gave an association of Bernie Sanders and Hugo Chavez for one, this is his record.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
45. Do you read every single post?
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:14 PM
Sep 2015

… because I don't think I have enough time to claim who is the nastiest.

I took the time to read some groups here tonight and see that there is nasty-speak in places I'd thought were better than that.

Extend your reading. Maybe we can start a "post of the week" anti-DUzy award to deflate some of this.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
36. Well said. Hillary does a good job of smearing herself. Bernie is smart to just let Hillary keep diggin the hole deeper for herself.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 09:12 PM
Sep 2015

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
46. Bernie hasn't been an angel but you dont see the constant barrage of talking points over and over
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:15 PM
Sep 2015

And mostly not true. Hillary supporters does not have a need to attack all the time, it I not necessary. Besides there is four more months before the first primary. Records speaks for themselves.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
6. Hillary doesn't need to attack Bernie
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:18 PM
Sep 2015

She leads in every poll lately. Sanders has peaked. Hillary is using the money I donated to her campaign to build her team for the general.
The media understands that this is between Hillary and who ever ends up driving the clown car.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. Keeping an eye on the real prize and on the real enemy is what she is doing. It is only logical.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:20 PM
Sep 2015

And Sanders is doing the exact same, as they both have urged their most passionate supporters to do.

To little avail it seems, so far.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
23. Bernie 49; Hillary 36 in NH without Biden. Bernie up 13; not within moe
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 08:08 PM
Sep 2015

and the last time I looked, elections are held state-by-state, not nationally.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
60. Hillary leads in IA and a win there for her may be
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 06:26 PM
Sep 2015

the end of Bernie's campaign due to inability to raise funds just like Walker.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
61. Bernie's doing quite well with his fundraising
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 07:02 PM
Sep 2015

looking forward to the coming announcement.

And one poll putting Clinton ahead doesn't undo 2 polls showing Sanders ahead in IA.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
54. Right, because the Super PACS will do it for her
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 08:15 AM
Sep 2015

They just won't "coordinate" the smears.

Riiight...

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
10. Hillary uses surrogate drones to attack Bernie.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:43 PM
Sep 2015

Luis Gutierrez
Claire McCaskill
Carlos Danger
Joaquin Castro
Lanny Davis
etc.

emulatorloo

(44,121 posts)
12. Article is about television Attack Ads, which saturate the airwaves
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:19 PM
Sep 2015

Not appearances by D-listers who get their 5 secs of fame on cable news shows hardly anybody sees.

I am in Iowa like the poster above. The ads on television are positive.

emulatorloo

(44,121 posts)
14. The ads are running during Judge Judy. That's widespread.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:32 PM
Sep 2015

"Lanny Davis" is appearing on shows for a handful of political junkies. I barely remember who the fuck he is.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
16. Okay. Not the same but similar effect.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:36 PM
Sep 2015

Traffic to cable TV picks up exponentially during presidential election season. The surrogates are given lots of air time. It is noteworthy.

LuvLoogie

(7,003 posts)
20. Lanny Davis has about as much effect against Bernie
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 07:27 PM
Sep 2015

as you do against Hillary, although you try harder.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
22. Hillary pays travel & expenses for her surrogates so, yes, the surrogate trash-talking of Bernie
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 07:52 PM
Sep 2015

... is directly connected to her campaign. She did the same to Obama in 2007/08.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
56. It does not matter where the attacks come, yes, Joaquin Castro has had travel expense in going to
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:24 AM
Sep 2015

latino groups and campaigning for Hillary. Would you go on your own expenses? Hillary is under attack many times, this is not coming from her supporters. As the campaign goes on there will be more attack on all the candidates, expect it.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
52. It is misleading to assert Hillary isn't attacking Bernie.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 06:36 AM
Sep 2015

It's more a sin of omission.

She personally isn't attacking him.

The commercials in Iowa and NH from what you relate are positive.

But she's been sending out her drones to attack him in the media, on TV, radio, and in print, she's paying their expenses, so they are directly connected to her campaign.

That's the whole truth.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-2016-proxies-attack-bernie-sanders-213359

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
29. She can't because it will make her look bad, that is the point of the article
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 08:56 PM
Sep 2015

she ran slimy attack ads against Obama, so we know that she believes in them.

No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
17. Such a contrast between Sanders style - sticking to policy, not personality,
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:42 PM
Sep 2015

and Trump's no-policy, only personal and personality-driven drivel.

DFW

(54,378 posts)
21. I quite agree--brilliant (as well as decent) strategy!
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 07:27 PM
Sep 2015

Although I'm a little lost as to exactly which attacks by Clinton this is supposed to have neutralized. I get the impression that Hillary is playing by pretty much the same book. As Sanders noted in the TIME article, some of his supporters have crossed the line, and there will things he will "have to disavow," but this will undoubtedly apply to the Clinton campaign sooner or later as well. No national campaign will ever be immune to that.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
37. Another: Clinton will adopt his platform and do it. That's as likely as h*** freezing over.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 09:25 PM
Sep 2015

I've lost track of the number of ways this has been presented. All of the stupid talk of she'll be pushed to the left (in rhetoric not in action).

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
42. When Hillary talked about voter suppression, then Bernie did also.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 09:53 PM
Sep 2015

When Hillary talked about high drug prices, Bernie introduced a bill in the Senate. Hillary is adopting her own platform.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
49. Bernie showed up at the CBC meeting on the stolen votes in Florida.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:43 PM
Sep 2015

The only white person in congress to do so. She just unveiled her plan. Bernie and Cummings introduced a bill on Sept 10 (and I'm sure it took a while for it to be written).

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
48. Actually, it's simply the right thing to do.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:31 PM
Sep 2015

Any resemblance to a "shrewd political decision" is just a side effect. He's always done this.

If every candidate were to eschew attack ads, the political discourse in this country would be elevated exponentially.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
55. "a shrewd political decision by the Sanders campaign..."
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 08:34 AM
Sep 2015

Nonsense. It's not "a shrewd political decision" - it's just Bernie being Bernie, but the political animals of the dense DC jungles have to mash his actions into a conceptual box that they can understand.

Reminds me of this bit by Bill Hicks...

https://m.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
62. Not to worry. We haven't seen the last of David Brock's slime machine.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 07:17 PM
Sep 2015

His next attack will be fed to an avowed Clinton supporter with zero morals. The Clinton machine isn't going down without a shitstorm of garbage slung at Bernie. Guaranteed.

We'll be ready for it - just like we were the first time the LIES flew.

She can't beat Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, Progressive news sites /blogs. Bernie has MILLIONS of online supporters.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
64. It is brilliant. However I disagree with one thing the author said. He said that being forced into
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:47 PM
Sep 2015

not running negative ads would 'render Hillary unable to combat a Bernie surge in the polls'. I could not disagree more. She COULD combat any candidate IF she was good on the issues and had the record to back it up. It isn't about negative ads, it is about a candidate who cannot fight back ON the issues because her record on so many important issues is so bad. Gay Rights, Welfare Reform, Forever War, even on torture I will never forget her response that she opposed it of course, but in case of a 'ticking clock' scenario she would want to have the option. If I hadn't already been thoroughly disappointed in her due to her Iraq War vote, that finished it for me.

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