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Related: About this forumBernie Sanders’ Refusal To Attack Hillary Clinton Isn’t Just Principled—It’s Political Genius
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In these Times: Bernie Sanders Refusal To Attack Hillary Clinton Isnt Just PrincipledIts Political GeniusBut Sanders refusal to produce attack ads has proven to be more than a matter of simple moral consistency. His pledge represented a shrewd political decision by the Sanders campaigna decision that has now paid off.
Electoral reform is central to Sanders platform for president. By swearing off attack ads against his opponents and cash from super PACs which often fund such ads, he has attempted to show that unlike his opponents, he can actually carry out the ideals he speaks so often about.
This decision actually forced Hillarys campaign into an incredibly difficult position. If she ran an attack ad, she risked coming off as desperate or a bully. But by not running attack ads, she would essentially render herself unable to combat any surge in the polls by Sanders.
On September 14, the Huffington Post received an email from one of Clintons Super PACs that intimated Sanders would begin diplomatic ties with terrorists and linked him to the socialist former President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez. In its report on the email, HuffPost concluded it was unclear whether the message would be disseminated to anyone else. If it was, however, the attack would be in the vein of what Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) said about Sanders earlier this yearthat he's unelectable, since he's a self-identified democratic socialist.
And on September 20, less than one week after the Super PAC attack first went live, Hillary promised CBS News John Dickerson on Face the Nation that she has no interest in running attack ads on Bernie.
Sanders commitment to refrain from producing attack ads paid off, allowing him to illustrate a vital contrast between himself and Clintonand raising his campaign more than a million dollars in donations in the process. Furthermore, his consistency forced Clinton to backtrack on an important issue under public scrutiny, reinforcing the notion that she is simply a politician willing to do whatever it takes to win while Sanders operates out of an ironclad commitment his progressive ideals.
By the end of the primaries, regardless of who wins, the candidate will either be a true progressive dedicated to combatting inequality, fighting systemic racism, and running a clean campaign, or someone forced to champion a number of progressive causes that she likely would have barely considered otherwise. And, unlike Hillary Clinton, thats what matters to Bernie Sandersthat someone, anyone, gets the job done.
Yep. Not attacking Mrs. Clinton and sticking to policy has not only made Mr. Sanders a superior candidate, but it's neutralized attacks by Mrs. Clinton.
Hillary Clinton Has 'No Interest' In Running Negative Ads Against Bernie Sanders
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Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Granted I havent seen ads from either, because of where I live.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)provide an opportunity for idled minds to display their creative writing skills.
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NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Bernie.
Which would mean... ... ...
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)I live in Iowa and the only ads on the Dem side are issue ads and not attack ads. We've been drowning in attack ads on the Republican side when they have enough money. I think it is funny that the local media is at a loss because they are not getting the windfall from political ads that a campaign usually brings.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)versus the enemy camp attacking each other, like the creepy animals they are, has have gone not unnoticed by the public at large.
But it is a bit early for the media to start panicking about the potential loss of billions of sweet CU and Koch Kash laundered through the 17 clown cars, two lost to their own foolishness, in the GOP train of idiots and scoundrels.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)And no, I don't believe it went over your head.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)You don't have to be a genius to see this, either. You just have to get over the fact that NOT EVERYONE is in it for the strategy of their winning so much as the vision of how we all stand to be winners
and that does not stop at the borders of the United States.
Be the person you have always been waiting for seems to be what is happening here
It's just too much for some to realize.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)David Brock's oppo research was an actual smear
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)David Brock gave an association of Bernie Sanders and Hugo Chavez for one, this is his record.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Textbook smear
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)
because I don't think I have enough time to claim who is the nastiest.
I took the time to read some groups here tonight and see that there is nasty-speak in places I'd thought were better than that.
Extend your reading. Maybe we can start a "post of the week" anti-DUzy award to deflate some of this.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)And mostly not true. Hillary supporters does not have a need to attack all the time, it I not necessary. Besides there is four more months before the first primary. Records speaks for themselves.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)Bernie's army in here can do all the dirty work of "the cause".
morningfog
(18,115 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)She leads in every poll lately. Sanders has peaked. Hillary is using the money I donated to her campaign to build her team for the general.
The media understands that this is between Hillary and who ever ends up driving the clown car.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)And Sanders is doing the exact same, as they both have urged their most passionate supporters to do.
To little avail it seems, so far.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and the last time I looked, elections are held state-by-state, not nationally.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)NH will not matter
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)so 3 states. one at a time. just one at a time.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/battleground-tracker-sanders-surges-in-ia-nh-clinton-up-in-sc/
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)the end of Bernie's campaign due to inability to raise funds just like Walker.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)looking forward to the coming announcement.
And one poll putting Clinton ahead doesn't undo 2 polls showing Sanders ahead in IA.
demwing
(16,916 posts)They just won't "coordinate" the smears.
Riiight...
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Luis Gutierrez
Claire McCaskill
Carlos Danger
Joaquin Castro
Lanny Davis
etc.
emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)Not appearances by D-listers who get their 5 secs of fame on cable news shows hardly anybody sees.
I am in Iowa like the poster above. The ads on television are positive.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)"Lanny Davis" is appearing on shows for a handful of political junkies. I barely remember who the fuck he is.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Traffic to cable TV picks up exponentially during presidential election season. The surrogates are given lots of air time. It is noteworthy.
LuvLoogie
(7,003 posts)as you do against Hillary, although you try harder.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)... is directly connected to her campaign. She did the same to Obama in 2007/08.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)latino groups and campaigning for Hillary. Would you go on your own expenses? Hillary is under attack many times, this is not coming from her supporters. As the campaign goes on there will be more attack on all the candidates, expect it.
emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)It's more a sin of omission.
She personally isn't attacking him.
The commercials in Iowa and NH from what you relate are positive.
But she's been sending out her drones to attack him in the media, on TV, radio, and in print, she's paying their expenses, so they are directly connected to her campaign.
That's the whole truth.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-2016-proxies-attack-bernie-sanders-213359
emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)They should be shot!
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)she ran slimy attack ads against Obama, so we know that she believes in them.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)but your statement "Bernie aint no Obama" did not sound complimentary
No Vested Interest
(5,166 posts)and Trump's no-policy, only personal and personality-driven drivel.
DFW
(54,378 posts)Although I'm a little lost as to exactly which attacks by Clinton this is supposed to have neutralized. I get the impression that Hillary is playing by pretty much the same book. As Sanders noted in the TIME article, some of his supporters have crossed the line, and there will things he will "have to disavow," but this will undoubtedly apply to the Clinton campaign sooner or later as well. No national campaign will ever be immune to that.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)I've lost track of the number of ways this has been presented. All of the stupid talk of she'll be pushed to the left (in rhetoric not in action).
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)When Hillary talked about high drug prices, Bernie introduced a bill in the Senate. Hillary is adopting her own platform.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)The only white person in congress to do so. She just unveiled her plan. Bernie and Cummings introduced a bill on Sept 10 (and I'm sure it took a while for it to be written).
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)will any Democratic candidate cross it? It is a very smart move.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Any resemblance to a "shrewd political decision" is just a side effect. He's always done this.
If every candidate were to eschew attack ads, the political discourse in this country would be elevated exponentially.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Nonsense. It's not "a shrewd political decision" - it's just Bernie being Bernie, but the political animals of the dense DC jungles have to mash his actions into a conceptual box that they can understand.
Reminds me of this bit by Bill Hicks...
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in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)His next attack will be fed to an avowed Clinton supporter with zero morals. The Clinton machine isn't going down without a shitstorm of garbage slung at Bernie. Guaranteed.
We'll be ready for it - just like we were the first time the LIES flew.
She can't beat Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, Progressive news sites /blogs. Bernie has MILLIONS of online supporters.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)not running negative ads would 'render Hillary unable to combat a Bernie surge in the polls'. I could not disagree more. She COULD combat any candidate IF she was good on the issues and had the record to back it up. It isn't about negative ads, it is about a candidate who cannot fight back ON the issues because her record on so many important issues is so bad. Gay Rights, Welfare Reform, Forever War, even on torture I will never forget her response that she opposed it of course, but in case of a 'ticking clock' scenario she would want to have the option. If I hadn't already been thoroughly disappointed in her due to her Iraq War vote, that finished it for me.