So only 3% of Marylands supported O'Malley for President?

[Skwmom]

Last edited Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:35 PM - Edit history (2)

This was last October but still you would think that it would be higher. Any more recent polls?

Clinton is the choice for president for 63 percent of Maryland Democrats, according to the poll, while O’Malley draws the support of only 3 percent, no better than Bernard Sanders, the independent socialist senator from Vermont. Vice President Biden also fares better in Maryland than O’Malley, and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) draws similar support.

Moreover, more than 6-in-10 registered Democratic voters say their governor — who has served in Annapolis since 2007 — would not make a good president. O’Malley, who is in Iowa this weekend and declined to comment for this article, has said he is likely to decide whether to move forward with a White House bid before his term as governor ends in late January.

Why such low approval?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/as-omalleys-approval-rating-falls-md-voters-not-confident-in-his-presidential-bid/2014/10/11/e48aebd2-5096-11e4-8c24-487e92bc997b_story.html

This is a serious question. He has a lot of supporters on this board so I thought they would be able to explain.

I asked this question b/c I figured his supporters would be able to explain. Obviously not.

There was a poll about who you would pick second. I didn't know. So in looking at O'Malley I thought let me look at a poll of his home state. I was surprised by the results and thought his supporters would be able to explain. I pointed out it was taken last October but that is the only one I found.

[Kang Colby]

1. Rain tax....n/t

[Renew Deal]

2. He should consider packing it in

His presence in the campaign has become absurd. Especially when you consider that Biden can walk in tomorrow with 20%.

[Koinos]

7. Renew Deal, your statement is absurd. The primary season is only in its initial stages.

We have months to go until the first vote. And why should anyone quit before the first debate? My candidate O'Malley will shine in that debate.

I look forward to the debates which will give him the attention he deserves and which the media have been so eager to deny him.

Low information members of DU have counted him out because they are too busy chanting for their preferred candidate.

Every day O'Malley works hard doing old-fashioned retail campaigning in Iowa and producing detailed policies based on his experience.

Too hard for people to read that much text, I suppose. They want easy short answers.

And he was brought up with the same Catholic social justice values that Pope Francis has shown us.

Much of O'Malley's problem is that he doesn't have the funding and big-money backing to "buy" nationwide recognition.

Incidentally, if you do your homework, you will discover the majority of O'Malley's support and donations comes from Marylanders like myself. We like him a whole heck of a lot more than the other candidates.

And I like calling presidential candidates and presidents by their last names. I don't much care for the "Hillary" and "Bernie" stuff. That is a pet peeve of mine.

[elleng]

13. Right, Koinos,

Low information members of DU have counted him out because they are too busy chanting for their preferred candidate.

Every day O'Malley works hard doing old-fashioned retail campaigning in Iowa and producing detailed policies based on his experience.

Too hard for people to read that much text, I suppose. They want easy short answers.

And he was brought up with the same Catholic social justice values that Pope Francis has shown us.

[Hortensis]

18. Nice to read your post, Koinos. I like O'Malley too. Including "rain tax."

[Koinos]

20. The "rain tax" mantra was a Republican campaign talking point.

Republicans oppose taxes that help protect the environment.

In fact, Republicans oppose all taxes that contribute to the common good.

If we ever got real single payer universal health care in this country, our taxes would go up.

Of course, our health insurance premiums would disappear, but the Republicans would omit that "inconvenient truth" from their argument.

The wealthiest 14% of Marylanders had their state income tax raised.

Hopefully, O'Malley will be able to raise taxes on the rich as president.

Most of Sanders' goals depend on that same sort of tax hike, in order to redistribute wealth.

Frankly, the only way to reduce economic inequality is to take from those that have and to give to those that have not. That is called progressive taxation.

[Hortensis]

23. Yes, I know. We had to asphalt the steepest portion of our gravel

driveway because so many torrential rains were tearing it up. We kept the entire top parking area in gravel, though, to the paver's bemusement ("Now are you sure?" a few times), and diverted as much driveway runoff off to the sides and down into the woods as possible. The latter cost us a one-time bulldozer fee.

Do you have a preferred term for the supposedly negative "rain tax?" I like it in spite of its obvious intend to defame. Obamacare was supposed to be a slur too.

As for taxing the billionaire class right out of existence -- as soon as possible. Would any responsible people in their right mind decide their democratic republic should cannibalize itself to create an uber class?

[elleng]

25. 'stormwater management fee'

[Hortensis]

26. So...bureaucratic though, Elleng. I sort of like Rainfall Rescue.

Dump "fee." Instead of focusing only on stopping pollution running off into the bay (dirty, yucky old water), it could also emphasize creating a welcoming home for life-giving rainfall right on people's properties.

As you can tell, I'm quite fond of rain. I'm from Southern California and have been permanently traumatized by severe, recurrent droughts.

[elleng]

28. Yes, I like Rainfall Rescue.

The 'fee' thing is what it's called in the legislation. I am NOT creative!

So sorry about the droughts. I'm in southern MD, a few miles from the Chesapeake Bay (and a few feet from one of it's tributaries,) and rain expected here later this week. (We my miss seeing full moon and lunar eclipse.)

'My' rain will run right into the Patuxent River, and is NOT dirty and yucky; just me here, with birds and fish and deer and bunnies! (Neighbor does grow soy and corn, as well as tomatoes, peppers and eggplant for kitchen garden.)

[elleng]

3. Boloney, and last October!!!

and those who still call 'rain tax' are still ignorant. It was a US EPA mandate.

A stormwater management fee was established via House Bill 987 (April 2012) and signed into law by then-governor Martin O'Malley, affecting the largest urban jurisdictions in Maryland (nine counties and the City of Baltimore) in order to meet the requirements of the federal Clean Water Act as it concerns the Chesapeake Bay watershed. The Tax Foundation states House Bill 987 "was passed in response to a decree by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) formally known as the Chesapeake Bay Total Maximum Daily Load, which identified mandatory reductions in nitrogen, phosphorus, and sediment that damage the Chesapeake Bay." This mandate from the EPA was mandated to the states of Maryland, New York, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and the District of Columbia. Maryland is the only state that has levied a tax to meet the EPA’s standards.[2] According to the Chesapeake Bay Foundation, the fastest-growing source of bay water pollution from Maryland is currently stormwater runoff.[3][4] This tax, of course, does not tax rain but has been implmented in varying ways at the county level, such as a flat fee per property owner, or based on impervious surface square footage.

The law specifies that accrued funds must be used for specified stormwater pollution-related purposes.[5]

This law was modified in 2015 to make the county-assessed fees optional rather than mandatory while still holding the counties responsible for making progress on managing polluted runoff.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_tax

P.S. I live in Maryland. and it's no coincidence, imo, that Dem ptb are short-cutting Democratic primary debates; someones do NOT want to provide a national forum for Governor O'Malley.

[JustAnotherGen]

4. Mic drop this one!

Remember this - all the back and forth? This is the best they've got.

[elleng]

5. Yes Gen,

[restorefreedom]

8. tptb are only interested

in one voice. and its not om or bernie.

so who hates him for trying to deal with pollution?

never mind,...the question answered itself....the "job creators" and the 1%, am i right?

[elleng]

10. Right, and Dunno,

'cause I don't run into them.

[restorefreedom]

11. lucky you.. :) nt

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

6. Thanks for the concern n/m

[FSogol]

9. Spreading around more tripe from Michael Steele?

O'Malley would still be governor today if Maryland didn't have term limits.

[Koinos]

15. He would be reelected in a New York minute.

I wish Hogan a complete recovery from his cancer. But he is a disaster as a governor. Maryland prospered under O'Malley, who raised taxes on the rich just as Sanders wishes to do nationwide.

[Koinos]

12. The poll you cite...

was fed to the Washington Post on behalf of the Hogan campaign. That is old and discredited.

Find a believable recent presidential primary poll of Maryland voters, if you can.

[FSogol]

14. Plus, he must be doing better if the attacks are heading his way now too?

[JustAnotherGen]

16. I'm here for this

[Koinos]

17. Somebody at the DNC is worried about him.

He is the perfect candidate in many ways. They are thinking, "If we can just keep him hidden until Clinton wins all the marbles and Sanders is forced to throw his support to her."

For whatever reason, the DNC does not feel threatened by Sanders; but it does worry about O'Malley. That perplexes me. O'Malley's willingness to confront the DNC over debates showed he is not afraid of the DNC establishment.

Sanders supports more debates, but he is unwilling to alienate the DNC more than he has to. He wants to make sure that the DNC doesn't block his appearance on any state ballots.

Meanwhile, Clinton steals ideas from O'Malley and markets them as if they were her own. She gets away with it because so few people have bothered to listen to O'Malley and read what he has written about many issues.

I know O'Malley must feel frustrated sometimes, but he is not a quitter. He has more stubborn courage than I have seen anywhere else in this primary.

[elleng]

19. More than one are worried about him, I think,

and pretty easy to figure out who the 2+ would be, those WITH tp.

He must feel SO frustrated, but he has huge stubborn courage as you say, Koinos.

[Koinos]

21. As he often says, he isn't driven by polls. He is driven by principle.

I am getting a bit tired of polls. I am especially weary of DU internal polling.

I listen to O'Malley and he says and acts like he really doesn't give a damn (my word) about the polls.

What I marvel at is that he really means it when he says that.

Seneca said, "A great pilot sails even when his canvas is torn."

Why can't and don't more people see what O'Malley is made of?

Pretty strong timber, if you ask me.

[elleng]

22. I pay no attention to polls,

and surely not DU internal polling. Pretty clear 'smart' DUers aren't so much, as they've not paid attention to what he's made of, and actually decide whom to support based on polls!

[bigtree]

24. Marylands

...it's 'Marylanders,' btw.

[Trajan]

27. Well - you are the first Sanders supporter I'm putting on ignore

This was a low blow ... O'Malley is a decent human being, and there are obvious reasons why he would poll low last October ...

I have tons of rabid Hillary supporters on ignore fire posting specious claims in DU ... And now, one Sanders supporter ..

[kelliekat44]

29. Because we know him better then most voters. nt

[Koinos]

30. I think I know him pretty well, and I disagree with you.

Every hard-working executive makes both friends and enemies.

Easier for US senators to make speeches and propose legislation that goes nowhere.

Action that attempts to make things better rather than worse has both positive and negative consequences.

O'Malley tried to make things better rather than worse, and the acclaim he has gotten from many is testimony to his success.

Yes, O'Malley does have harsh critics in Maryland,

And he also has loyal and devoted supporters.

I'll take Maryland under O'Malley over Maryland under Hogan any day.

Western Maryland wanted to secede under O'Malley. I guess they prefer Hogan. Or perhaps they liked Ehrlich who preceded O'Malley.

Maryland is a very mixed bag politically.

O'Malley is flawed, as all of the candidates are. If we concentrate on their flaws, we can find reasons to dislike any one of them.

To believe one's candidate is perfect is to engage in delusion.

[Skwmom]

31. After surfing the web and making a call, I now understand.

What a politician.