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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:27 PM Sep 2015

LA Times: Hillary Clinton's big donors in California have found all sorts of reasons to be nervous

Hillary Clinton's big donors in California have found all sorts of reasons to be nervous

Lately, it’s been tough. Rival Bernie Sanders – a self-described socialist – is ahead in New Hampshire. The threat of the charming and formidable Vice President Joe Biden crashing the nominating contest looms. The FBI is investigating Clinton’s email server. It’s all amounted to a lot of nail-biting and hand-wringing in the cocktail lounges of Beverly Hills and beach houses of Malibu.

“It is something everyone is talking about,” said one prolific Clinton fundraiser, who asked to remain unnamed for fear of antagonizing the campaign. “Is she going to lose? What is going on? Is Biden running? Is she in trouble? Why is the campaign doing this or that?”

That’s not to say the big donors he represents wouldn’t run the campaign differently. They want Clinton to shift her focus to the main super PAC supporting her, Priorities USA, which can raise unlimited amounts, so long as it doesn’t coordinate with the official campaign. Clinton has avoided private meetings with potential donors to the organization, opting instead to attend fundraisers for the official campaign, which can only legally raise $2,700 from each donor.

Priorities had a lackluster first quarter, raising just $15 million, a big chunk of it coming from Californians such as Katzenberg, Spielberg, San Francisco philanthropist Herbert Sandler, entertainment tycoon Haim Saban and his wife, Cheryl, all of whom gave $1 million each. Right to Rise, the super PAC backing Republican heavyweight Jeb Bush, eclipsed Priorities that quarter, raising $103 million.

“If Joe gets in the race, and if questions continue to swirl about Hillary’s management practices at the State Department, there will of course be people who gravitate to him,” Stein said. “But until she is in real, palpable trouble discernible to voters and donors, there will not be major defections. The Clinton network is loyal and durable and will not collapse without just cause.”

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. Is there a backer in the entire nation of anyone who
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:48 PM
Sep 2015

isn't nervous at this point?

What people don't realize is that HRC's ratings at this point are just about where they were expected to be before the campaign ever began, and her endorsements, fund-raising, and organization still excellent. If Biden gets in, then nervousness will proceed to decision-making one way or the other.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
5. Well, yes, there is one candidate who doesn't have any big Donor backers so no need for anyone to be
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 05:10 PM
Sep 2015

nervous in his case. Maybe Hillary should do as he is doing and dump the backers and just be herself for a change. It must be really hard on politicians to know they are merely a product to bet on. So cold and calculating aside from anything else. Those big money backers will leave her in a flash the minute they feel they have a better 'product' to bet on.

I've met some of them, through my work. Not the kind of people you count on as friends. Just make sure to be a 'marketable product' if you want them to hang around, because they do want something in return on their investments and if you look like they won't get much return, you will get the cold shoulder where you once got warm, if phony, embraces.

What a horrible system.

I'd rather lose with dignity than participate in it in any way.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. So many good people feel that way, Sabrina, that it is in itself
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 05:25 PM
Sep 2015

one of our nation's biggest problems. The decks are cleared for the cynical careerists running for office as a first step to lots and lots of money.

Not all feel as you do, though. Some, wanting to live meaningful, worthwhile lives through public service, have managed to find enough satisfaction to keep them going. Pope Francis, who is riding his popemobile through Central Park right now, made a point of pointing out that politics is a good and important calling.

Not to push an unwanted candidate at you, but HRC has a very long and well documented history. She is not among the first group and is among the second.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
13. And some, and from his remarks a few weeks ago, I believe Biden is one of them now, who thought you
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 08:11 PM
Sep 2015

could do some good even if you had to take their tainted money, realizes that no, it simply cannot be done. Others, like Sanders, KNEW you could never allow yourself to be beholden to people who were willing to PAY for your job. I would think most intelligent people know that when millions of dollars are being handed to you, there is a price to pay.

This is now one of the biggest issues of this campaign, and pretty much for the first time.

Biden told a group of young people a few weeks ago, that 'getting the money out of politics MUST BE the #1 priority of this campaign because, he said, 'even if you like ME eg, money has a corrosive effect on our system'.

He also told another group of Sanders supporters to 'vote for Bernie, he's a good man'. Biden probably learned the hard way that once he took their money, he was unable to do much good for the people. Look at his voting record, on war, on SC justices, on so many issues. I always felt he would have liked to vote differently, the he knew better, but as he said now himself, 'money is corrosive' in our system.

Yes, there are people who want to serve and are willing to 'play the money game' hoping they can. But look at where things stand to day and say with a straight face that compromising like that has done any good for the American people.

But as I said, one man did not play that game. Yet he was elected over and over again with increasing majorities.

I know that we got to a point here where standing on principles was MOCKED. So sad, but having been tempted by money myself in my own career, I always refused in the end. Because I always knew that there ARE strings attacked to that kind of money.

You never lose when you abide by your principles. I got the feeling listening to that speech from Biden that he has many regrets.

And I am very familiar with Hillary's record. It is a terrible record of making wrong decisions, even if she thought, as she says, at the time that they were sound decisions. They had such a terrible effect on millions of people and it's way too late years after the fact to have to keep saying 'I'm sorry'. On Gay Rights, on War on Welfare and now on GMOs which I'm sure we'll get an apology for years from now also, again too late.

I've not been impressed with her record since 2003. She has had to apologize and evolve on too many important issues too often showing a lack of good judgement and foresight necessary in a good leader.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. I'm afraid I agree with you more than I care to, Sabrina. But Bernie's
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 08:36 PM
Sep 2015

not going to win the primary, which is a good thing because he couldn't win the general. I think a person like Pope Francis, also disruptive Bernie type but far more talented, might just have what it would take to sweep an entire nation into following him without big money, but we don't have one of those this time around.

In the meantime, the first critical step to changing the law to get money out of politics is to do EVERYTHING we can to keep any of the GOP candidates from winning. If we fail, there will be no campaign reform in the foreseeable future. Worse, the next President will be appointing as many as 4 SUPREME COURT JUSTICES. Even a couple could mean money would remain in politics for another generation at least.

National moods and political change have cycles. They come in waves, rise and recede, and have timelines. Blow the chance today's demands for change offer, and the next opportunity might be a long time coming. Remember Hillary failed to pass healthcare reform when she was First Lady? She started with 78% in FAVOR, but the GOP and Big Money defeated it with big money. It took another 17 years to make it happen, in spite of overwhelming national need.

I have my own bones with Hillary. But those are scarcely on my list of priorities given what is at stake.









Qutzupalotl

(14,311 posts)
3. "who asked to remain unnamed for fear of antagonizing the campaign"
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 04:50 PM
Sep 2015

That kind of vindictiveness gives me pause. It is cult-like behavior. It makes me wary of Clinton as a candidate.

I'll vote for her if she's the nominee, but I really hope she isn't.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
4. I agree.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 05:03 PM
Sep 2015

“Is she going to lose? What is going on? Is Biden running? Is she in trouble? Why is the campaign doing this or that?”

Yes.
Same as '08.
No.
Yes.
Focus-group said so.




Qutzupalotl

(14,311 posts)
8. The campaign is vindictive.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 05:25 PM
Sep 2015

That's why the fundraiser doesn't want to give his or her name: fear of retribution.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Why, though? If payback is proportional and appropriate? Nothing in life is
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 06:30 PM
Sep 2015

really free, after all. Everything requires at least some trade-off or cost. Why should betrayal be the exception? Would that be in society's interest?

Qutzupalotl

(14,311 posts)
12. A government without a Nixon-style enemies list would be in society's interest.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 07:39 PM
Sep 2015

Forgiveness goes a long way towards building the bridges needed to eventually govern.

This fundraiser is quaking in his boots not to have his name associated with what amounts to simply telling the truth. That is chilling.

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