Reality Check: “Working families like mine don't give a damn about Hillary's emails”

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Reality Check: “Working families like mine don't give a damn about Hillary's emails”
September 25, 2015
ANALYSIS

By Peter Daou and Tom Watson

While the media and commentariat assail Hillary Clinton’s character by seizing on abstruse details of email servers and classification disputes, there are millions of Americans who don’t give a damn about her emails and who worry about paying their bills and caring for their families. Millions of those Americans love and support Hillary.

Following are three stories from among millions that illustrate how Hillary inspires her supporters.

First, self-described Hillary Man Fergal Murphy, who sent us this moving letter:

Working families like mine don't give a damn about Hillary Clinton’s emails. We're struggling to get by. My wife lost her job with a non-profit last month when their grant funding dried up. I bust my back 40+ hours a week at a lumber yard. We’re getting by on one paycheck and we have a mortgage to pay and kids to feed. I want to hear about the ISSUES – plans to create good paying jobs with health benefits. Paid leave. Work schedules I can rely upon.

My 14 year old daughter is a great writer - clever - creative - but we have zero $$ saved for her and my son's education.

I have a bright, sweet 12 year old son who was born with developmental delays – he didn’t sit up until he was 13 months old or walk until he was 2. By the time he was 18 months old he was getting help from physical and speech therapists, and he got 3 years of special ed preschool.

There was a time when my sweet son would never have gotten a proper education. Now he’s in 7th grade and making honor roll. He’ll earn his high school diploma, maybe even go to college some day because Hillary fought to pass laws that required schools to accommodate his special needs. Thanks to Hillary, he got the early intervention that was so vital to his early development. ................

[orpupilofnature57]

1. Hillary's sycophancy to the 1% outweighs any good she has done. Period .

Working, peace loving, marginalized citizens have one alli running for POS, Bernie Sanders and his record of Voting, law passing, and being forthcoming with information useful to " Working People " , proves it .

[RBInMaine]

8. You're wrong, and much as I like him, no "Socialist" will win the American presidency. Find reality.

[daleanime]

16. Try it this way....

"These are not the droids that you seek."

[Ed Suspicious]

58. +1

[Jesus Malverde]

59. Lolol DUZY

That was classic or as they say DUZY!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. Riiiigghhht...like Obama doesn't share the same priorities as Bernie?

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[raindaddy]

40. Then why do the polls show "as much as you like him" Sanders beating the Republicans?

It's an old meme that needs to be retired. Might as well say real change is impossible so let's jump back on the train to mediocrity and continue down the tracks that have been laid by the corrupt Wall Street banks and the global corporations,

[A Simple Game]

45. And 10 years ago a black man could never be President.

Times change and even the Republicans unknowingly help in that change. They replaced socialist/communist with terrorist, so we no longer hate socialists.

Many people even admire Putin to the point of wishing our President had his strengths. The Leader of China is visiting and most don't even think of China as communist but mostly as competition for their jobs. North Korea is bad but because of their leader not because they are communist. Etc., etc. Times have changed.

Bernie will be the next President.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

47. Thanks for your carefully laid out concern post.

[orpupilofnature57]

90. Oh you again, Do you have something to say about the E-Mail Scandal or ?

[Gman]

53. What if that working person is not white?

Do POC have to use your criteria?

[Fawke Em]

74. What does that have to do with anything?

While PoC face other issues, working class PoC are falling even further behind their white counterparts when it comes to earning enough income to take care of their families.

[stonecutter357]

2. K&R!

[Warren Stupidity]

3. Sanders supporter and I agree this issue is bullshit.

However, WTF was Clinton thinking? Doesn't she know that *everything* she does is put under a microscope?

[daleanime]

23. +1

[Tom Rinaldo]

52. +1 n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

37. Hillary's lack of judgment regarding her private server is startling...just like her IWR vote. Trust in Bernie!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Dustlawyer]

42. Probably hoping to avoid FOIA requests.

[Warren Stupidity]

69. On her personal email?

Then just use two phones. It isn't complicated or difficult.

[Dustlawyer]

75. I think the issue is the work emails through the private server.

I don't think it's a big deal, but the practice of hiding emails is not new. Romney bought the whole thing, computers and all when he was Gov. and had it all destroyed. Jeb! Did the same as Hillary and I am sure that many of the politicians bitching the loudest are doing it too. It's an avoidance of accountability, that bothers me some,but it really depends on if she is hiding something substantial in her WORK emails
I am more bothered by the obligation to the huge corporate Donors that she and the others have. That is what is wrong with our system. I support Bernie because among other things, he wants Publicly Funded Elections. That alone would solve many of our current problems and go a long way to return Representative Democracy.

[Warren Stupidity]

87. Again, given what the Clintons went through

92-00, wouldn't one of her advisors have said, "no"?

[orpupilofnature57]

89. ' Citizens United ' was virtually Invented to persecute her , but entitlement has rendered her

Marie Antoinette .

[oasis]

4. Hello.

[leftofcool]

5. K&R

[Le Taz Hot]

6. Reality Check:

It's a salacious story, the MSM doesn't care.

[m-lekktor]

7. oooh, Hillarymen!

I'll save this for later since it is too early for me to be moved to tears. I remember Peter Daou though! He's the one who sued Arianna Huffington for ownership of Huffington Post!

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/arianna-huffington-settles-website-theft-704536

[TM99]

9. Reality check.

Hillarymen.com is run by former Clinton advisors and campaign supporters.

That is definitely an objective source of information!

I think you would have better traction on this at another site that is more well-suited for this type of echo-chamber like piece.

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/

[m-lekktor]

18. it's obviously embellished campaign propaganda. Peter Daou is a big muckymuck in the DEM party.

He also worked for Kerry as well. I remember the name. I am sure he is NOT struggling.

[riversedge]

49. Hitting on the messenger is a pure Rovian tactic. These stories are from

people across America and for you to mock them is shameful

[TM99]

64. Oh fuck that made me laugh!

Pretending an advertisement for a candidate is a 'real' email about the concerns Democrats may have over her increasingly very real email scandal is rich. But then to claim that factual comments revealing the truth of what the site is really about is a Rovian attack is down right precious.

The hypocrisy and irony is so strong I can barely stand it!

[riversedge]

66. Have a good day. Belittling the concerns of America's makes you laugh-that is sad.

[TM99]

70. With Hillary Clinton

it is morning again in America.

[leveymg]

10. Reality Check: HRC doesn't give a damn for working families.

She's triangulated herself into the radical center of the Democratic Party that serves the very Wall Street interests that have destroyed what's left of the traditional working class through a combination of offshoring, privatization, and defunding of public institutions such as State universities.

When I read this tragic story of one family on the edge, it illustrates how Hillary has long been part of the problem, and is NOT the solution.

[antigop]

46. +1000 (I would add h-1b's to your list). nt

[NorthCarolina]

51. ^^^THIS^^^

[jalan48]

11. Sounds like Hillary, Goldman Sachs and the rest of Wall St. hold the key to a bright future.

[Ed Suspicious]

61. YES! If only we give Goldman more power and influence the good fortune wish trickle down upon us

in glorious golden showers!

[Kilgore]

12. It what I am seeing

When my non-political friends start referring to Hillary as a liar, or untrustworthy, I know something has changed.

[artislife]

54. Yup.

I asked a friend who isn't political and didn't know at the time I supported Bernie Sanders for pres, what she thought about H.

She said she didn't trust her.


I have a more women friends on FB by a long shot. They range in ages and political flavors...not one is posting about H. When she announced, I got a lot of "Ready for Hillary" posts. Then nothing.


Nothing.

Tons of Bernie stuff now, and some from the original "Ready fors"

[MindfulOne]

13. I've no interest in the emails, it's the war-mongering and love of banks and big oil....

Mostly the love of banks and her tendency to pander to women and families on the one hand while screwing them with the other through policies and deals that benefit them (banks and Chevron) and not us.

I feel badly for the working class people who don't have time to research their candidates and who might fall for the ads.

[leftofcool]

24. Are you saying that working class people who have supported her for years can't think for themselves

Pathetic

[MindfulOne]

56. Yes you are and no, I'm saying that people have to work two jobs, long hours...

...and thanks to policies like NAFTA and outsourcing we don't all have time to research the truth behind the candidates.

We can all think for ourselves but many can only find time to get news from a corrupt media, many only have name recognition to go on, and advertising and the media are owned by the one percent.

Odd that I should have to explain that to someone who spends so much time on the Internet.

[leftofcool]

80. I am retired and I have worked two jobs.

I have earned my right at 65 to spend as much time on the internet as I please.

[MoveIt]

62. Bring on the Primary please

So you can purge everyone here to the left of your version of cool.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

38. Well said!

[Cartoonist]

14. People of conscience do give a damn

And the email issue is only part of her problems.
Working families will elect a socialist over a corporatist every day.

[leftofcool]

21. So you are saying that the majority of Democrats have no conscience?

How nice.

[Cartoonist]

27. The majority of Democrats will go Bernie

Because they have a conscience.
Polls mean nothing. Let's see how the actual voting goes before you claim that Hillary has the majority support of Democrats. Prepare to be dissapointed.

[leftofcool]

32. That is not what you said and you know it.

You accused the majority of Democrats as having no conscience because the majority of Democrats do indeed support Hillary. You can backtrack and spin all you want to but it won't work here and certainly won't work with Democrats.

[Cartoonist]

41. You made the empty claim

Saying that the majority of Democrats support Hillary is unfounded. Let's see how the actual voting goes before you crown her. I believe that people of conscience will look at Bernie and Hillary, and then vote Bernie. Feel free to ask for an apology from me if it doesn't go down that way.

[Bradical79]

55. Most don't know what is going on

The reporting on this has been so exceptionally poor that I think the vast majority of people who have even bothered to pay attention to this have no real idea why they should, or should not, be upset. While I think it does some small damage to Clinton, I think the real goal is to find something embarassing/damning in the emails themselves that will be easier for the public to understand.

[jopacaco]

15. What did Hillary do for special education services?

I have spent my career as a special educator and I am trying to think what Hillary did for students with special needs. PL 94-142 (requiring education for all students) was passed around 1975, long before Hillary. I have no problem giving credit where it is deserved but I am missing this one.

[leftofcool]

20. See Hillary and The Children's Defense Fund

[Geronimoe]

17. My Democratic friends

They have Clinton fatigue and will not vote for her.

[leftofcool]

26. Then when she wins the Primary and they don't vote, they can't complain.

[LostOne4Ever]

19. Totally 100% agree. The Email scandal is bullshit (nt)

[mcar]

22. K&R

Media just wants a scandal.

[striegl]

25. How do you feel about her vote to go to war?

That alone disqualifies her.

[leftofcool]

30. Bernie's vote against the Brady Bill disqualifies him

See how that works?

[striegl]

92. Yes I do

Thanks for proving that the emails matter.

[99Forever]

28. This working family "gives a damn" about Presidential contenders with REALLY poor judgment.

And furthermore I don't recollect having appointed these clowns to speak for me and mine.

Another Camp Weathervane fail.

[dougolat]

29. NOBODY gives a damn - except the RW , who have a fake football they want to score with

(nevermind that the Bush/Cheney Administration hid MILLIONs),
(nevermind that "Official" system wouldn't work for globe-trotting Sec. of State duties),
and the RW media are getting maximum mileage out of that "fake-football" in their pit-bull grip: "Benghazi-The Movie-Part II"
It wouldn't work if they had to own-up to their past, which they won"t.
Because, perhaps, "I'll show you mine when you show me yours!" sounds too childish or suggestive? ....Hardly!
Well, Frack-em! Frack the evil bastards!
If 35,000 is so bad, a few million is so much worse.

Why must we play with "fake footballs"?
The Planned Parenthood "Scandal" and the Russian "Menace" are two more;

Did they kill the Ref? Or are they holding him hostage? Steal his mike?
2,000,000 at least 2,000,000

[HereSince1628]

31. IMO, it's gone off the emails per se and turned onto her character

For potential primary voters it's not the content of those emails it's the way that problem was created (she did that to herself) and how it was and is being handled (also done by herself to herself).

We've got here a pointer flashing in the above story that is just at the email, but the event has also resulted in publication and national discussion that includes descriptors of personal features such as 'exceptionalist', 'poor judgement', 'obfuscator' etc. Not the sort of thing that's good for your campaign when the public perceives trustworthiness problems.

That's quite unfortunate. But that's how people's minds work. They are attracted to something, but even as they may become bored with that, they notice what's going on around the general direction of their attention. In this case that general direction includes H> responses and handling of the mistake.

Mistakes are mistakes; everyone makes them. Mistakes often come out in the wash. What is indelible is personality. The email unscandal has turned from being a mistake to a personality issue.

IMO, HRC is better off with attention directly on and limited to the emails, because when attention slips off the emails it notices her.

We've seen a lot of posts that basically say the emails themselves are nothing. That's likely not completely an accident. It is very probably the best defense.

[Kang Colby]

33. Working families need jobs and a healthy economy. Hillary understands this.

[frylock]

82. Find this on FR?

[raindaddy]

34. The media always seems avoid the issues working families give a damn about.

Ironically that's my problem with Hillary Clinton. Let's at least be honest with ourselves. Why would a institution like the Clinton's who have amassed a 60 million dollar fortune "serving the public" in a corrupt economic system they helped create want to address any issue that fundamentally changes that system? Her campaign is being funded by the Wall Street banks and global corporations that spend billions to keep our current corrupt economic in place.

If you like the current system fine, vote for Hillary. But if you're tired of the economic class war being waged on the poor and middle class stop believing in fairytales. There is no chance in hell Hillary Rodham Clinton is going to betray the system and the people who made her millions of dollars...

[Oilwellian]

93. Exactly

Very well said.

[Broward]

36. Hillary does not care about working families.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is not paying attention.

[riversedge]

48. Obviously you are one that that is not paying attention-

or you have blinders on.

[Stellar]

39. Her email and Benghazi, as far as I'm concerned, is a right wing talking point and

I don't understand why Democrats are concerned with it.

[Frustratedlady]

43. The problem with busy people and issues is that they absorb some of the soundbytes...

or headlines and that's as far as they go.

We all know how dramatic the headlines can be and it only takes a second to grab an impression from those poison words. So the public (majority) are being fed propaganda 24/7 just so they don't miss a chance to be programmed by the GOP machine.

I have to give them credit, they took over the media and now spew that crap out every single day. Until recently, the Democrats didn't fight back. The one saving grace will be if/when the general public gets so sick of the lies, they automatically turn off any talk of politics and it backfires on the GOP.

Good luck to your family and to the children.

[Android3.14]

44. More important is her corporate owners, sense of arrogant entitlement, and weak policy tripe

I could care less about the emails. She's just a weak leader announcing bland policy that is too little far too late and who actually represents monied interests over the urgent needs of regular folks, our energy infrastructure and the environment.

[Autumn]

50. Me neither. Working families like mine do give a damn about Hillary's policies though

[jomin41]

57. E-mail stuff is overblown, HRC is tough and capable BUT

I'm still FEELIN' THE BERN!!

[ismnotwasm]

60. Indeed

Love #HillaryMen!

[barbtries]

63. I think it's a manufactured scandal

just like most of them having to do with Hillary Clinton. an example of republican hypocrisy always accompanies.

[askew]

65. Lordy, when you are resorting to using arguments from these two, you've reached

the bottom.

Poll after poll shows the majority of the country doesn't trust Hillary and that she did something wrong with the emails.

[stage left]

67. I don't give a damn about the emails either.

That and Benghazi are right wing talking points. Though I support Bernie Sanders, I believe Hillary Clinton to be a better choice for president than any of the Republicans on offer. If she is the Democratic nominee, I will vote for her. I've said that in the past and I haven't changed my mind. However, my vote, coming from the SC district that has the "esteemed" Trey Gowdy as representative to Congress, isn't likely to matter. I look forward to a day when it is no longer symbolic.

[Fawke Em]

68. They will when it's revealed the Chinese and/or Russians

know our national security secrets because she couldn't be bothered to protect the server very well.

[EEO]

71. I don't either. I take issue with her record and "experience."

She is not a progressive. Hillary has said that herself.

[nenagh]

72. The emails matter a hell of a lot to me...as a single parent raising a family...

I kept my job by following every rule and regulation... and as the regulations changed over time..you followed those new rules as well..

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

73. I don't give a damn about her emails either. But, I still won't vote for her.

[riversedge]

85. Glad to hear that her emails are crap 'news'

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

86. Yes...but.

Perception is everything in politics. She's perceived by many people to be dishonest and untrustworthy. For some of those people it's because of the emails. For others it's for other reasons.

[lunamagica]

76. K&R. Thank you for posting this

I have faith that Hillary will be our nominee and win the GE

[leftofcool]

79. Fucked it up according to the right wing.

[ismnotwasm]

81. Right?

Tired of RW memes.

[redstateblues]

78. It's just been something the media/Republicans kept alive

to have something to talk about during a newsless summer. It makes me dislike both even more.

[Juicy_Bellows]

88. Any way you slice that email bread you can't make a sandwich with it.

It was a bad decision, legs or not, she should have known that this could come back and bite her. She did it anyway, why? It didn't have to be done, there was no reason to do so except subterfuge or laziness/ease of use? Try as I might, I can't come up with a good reason for her actions.

Personally, I think it reflects poorly on her decision making skills - no need to wade into the weeds to see that much.

[Warren DeMontague]

91. i thought they were "everyday Americans"

oh yeah, that stopped poll-testing very well.