2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary leads Sanders by 30% in North Carolina
See page 4.
http://www.elon.edu/docs/e-web/elonpoll/092415_ElonPollExecSumm.pdf
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)cantbeserious
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Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)As things stand, the democrats are going to keep the white house, so long as we vote. Trump, Bush, Carson, Kasich? They really don't matter. They're a sideshow to our main event.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)As the bearer of doom.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)You could argue that of the candidates, Clinton is most likely to "lose the left," and that could cost her. But I'm not sure how likely that scenario actually is - whether the left staying home, or Clinton losing because of it, if nominated.
I think our only possible "loser" would be Biden. He doesn't have a strong position - basically Clinton, except where he's a little worse. He would have to either run against Obama, or run as Obama's third term, both of which would be damaging to him, albeit in different ways from different people. And the unfortunate reality is that hi mouth is a big liability.
cantbeserious
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Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Our win is certain, if we turn out.
Sanders is simply the better candidate, in terms of policies and positions.
he guarantees the Left comes out and vote - which ripples down-ticket, too.
cantbeserious
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oberliner
(58,724 posts)That is not going to happen.
cantbeserious
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oberliner
(58,724 posts)In fact, I think there are much more troubling Republican candidate who are actually, regrettably, in a position to possibly win the White House.
The reality is that Trump will be gone within a month or two.
cantbeserious
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Persondem
(2,101 posts)And if Hillary can beat Trump now, ... with all the stupid email crap and The Donald near the peak of his popularity, then she would beat him easily in the general.
cantbeserious
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Persondem
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redstateblues
(10,565 posts)to keep a Socialist out of the White House. Go check out some of their websites. There is great intensity about their opposition to Socialism
cantbeserious
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BlueWaveDem
(403 posts)And with the historic nature of electing our nation's first woman president, Hillary will garner massive voter turnout. Her appeal across every Democratic demographic is huge.
cantbeserious
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BlueWaveDem
(403 posts)She has already released numerous policy addressing this issue. Any rational viewer of the debates will be able to find her current policy proposals on this issue. Anyone who doesn't bother already has their mind made up. Hillary polls great among all Democratic demographics and will garner massive voter turnout in support.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Regulations - yeah right - don't wait for that to happen.
BlueWaveDem
(403 posts)And praise and endorsements from enviro organizations and women's rights groups, and congressional black caucus. All will be donating.
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SidDithers
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DemocratSinceBirth
(101,653 posts)The data suggests his support has plateaued and is beginning to crest.
cantbeserious
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Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)They can change quickly depending on the outcomes of the first two contests.
BlueWaveDem
(403 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Good, very good. In a few months he'll be tied.
twii
(88 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)He's already tied with GOP candidates for lead among republican voters in NH.
He's won Vermont with 71% of the vote.
He's futher along in polls than Obama was at this time in '07.
The campaign is doing better than they themselves had predicted, in both polls and fundraising.
The DNC is panicking, and wooing Biden as a PlanB establishment candidate.
I'd say things are looking pretty good.
cherokeeprogressive
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Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)First, there's the debates. These will do dual duty for sanders - first, it puts him in people's living rooms. Two, it lets him gets his message out there vs. Clinton's. And love her or not, the reality is that Clinton isn't the world's best debater.
And then we go into the early primaries and caucuses; Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina. You know as well as I do that the results of these contests have a heavy impact on Super Tuesday and beyond - it's why candidates spend so much time in Iowa and New Hampshire.
Tell me what the polls say on Feb. 26.
senz
(11,945 posts)which is good for Bernie AND for the people.
Gothmog
(175,238 posts)President Obama won North Carolina in 2008. The litigation on the NC voter suppression laws is before the judge right now and hopefully these laws will be ruled invalid under Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)riversedge
(79,560 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)All of you bluestaters have no idea what the electorate in the south is like. There's a lot of wishful thinking going on.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)I live In Missouri so i know plenty about being liberal democrat In Red state.
You probally would have said same thing about Obama In 2007.How did that turn out?
Keep dismissing Bernie and you will be shocked.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Hillary has the loyalty of the party regulars there and dominates the social network too.
No candidate could even make a dent in Hillary's lead in South Carolina.
Many South Carolina voters made a choice very early on they were going to be Clinton voters, before other candidates had even announced.
That's an interesting choice. I'm not sure why anyone would do that but it is their choice to make.
But it does take the suspense out of the South Carolina primary, since it is clear Hillary will win the primary by a landslide.
jkbRN
(850 posts)Clinton 42.60%
Bush 46.00%
Clinton v Carson
Clinton 40.90%
Carson 52.30%
Clinton v Trump
Clinton 47.30%
Trump 40.00%
Recursion
(56,582 posts)If he ever decides to actually start campaigning I think the polling in the south is going to look a bit different.