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Hillary leads Sanders by 30% in North Carolina (Original Post) twii Sep 2015 OP
Good numbers. leftofcool Sep 2015 #1
A Vote For Hillary In The Primaries Is A Vote For Trump In The General cantbeserious Sep 2015 #3
That's not true Scootaloo Sep 2015 #12
A Vote For Hillary Will Bring Out All the GOP Stoked Fears With Trump cantbeserious Sep 2015 #13
They're going to go all-out regardless. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #15
That Is Right - Best We Front Our Best Candidate - Not A Wall Street Shill cantbeserious Sep 2015 #17
Totally agreed Scootaloo Sep 2015 #23
Roger That cantbeserious Sep 2015 #25
There is no scenario that results in Trump becoming president oberliner Sep 2015 #16
Wishful Thinking cantbeserious Sep 2015 #18
Not in the slightest oberliner Sep 2015 #20
All Indications Are Otherwise Pointing cantbeserious Sep 2015 #22
Same poll. HRC beats Trump in NC. Advantage is outside MoE. Persondem Sep 2015 #21
Head To Head - Hillary Loses Due To GOP Stoked Fears Of The Clintons cantbeserious Sep 2015 #24
Bernie loses to GOP stoked fears of draft dodging, tax raising, socialist. nt. Persondem Sep 2015 #28
Not A Chance He Loses Because Of The Stronger Message And Campaign cantbeserious Sep 2015 #29
Republicans will turn out in record numbers redstateblues Sep 2015 #32
And So Will The Left If They Have A Candidate Worthy Of Their Vote cantbeserious Sep 2015 #33
No way. Hillary has broad appeal across every Democratic demographic. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #30
All Changes With The Debates Were She Will Be Exposed As A Wall Street Shill cantbeserious Sep 2015 #31
Debates don't change much and she's voted to regulate Wall Street over and over. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #34
Her DLC Third Way DWS Campaign Is Paid For By Wall Street Donations cantbeserious Sep 2015 #35
She has already won the backing of 7 unions. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #45
... SidDithers Sep 2015 #46
One can't be serious if one believes Trump will be the GOP nominee DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #42
NC Primary So Far Away - Now Meaningless cantbeserious Sep 2015 #2
After Iowa and New Hampshire is the time to check NC polls. Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #4
Go Hillary! BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #5
Away!! artislife Sep 2015 #19
He's cut her lead in half. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #6
By that logic, Sanders' lead in NH will be like 90 in a few months nt twii Sep 2015 #8
It could be. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #11
Already changing. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #10
For now. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #9
The American people are starting to wake up senz Sep 2015 #14
I wonder if Hillary Clinton can put NC into play for the general election Gothmog Sep 2015 #26
From your keyboard to Gawd's ears! leftofcool Sep 2015 #38
Thanks for this informative post. riversedge Sep 2015 #44
Bernie will not win any southern states. redstateblues Sep 2015 #27
Oh really Robbins Sep 2015 #37
Hillary will win South Carolina by a landslide, at least by a 30 point spread Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #36
HRC match ups jkbRN Sep 2015 #39
This is with Webb still sitting on his hands Recursion Sep 2015 #40
Thanks for the post riversedge Sep 2015 #43
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
12. That's not true
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:28 AM
Sep 2015

As things stand, the democrats are going to keep the white house, so long as we vote. Trump, Bush, Carson, Kasich? They really don't matter. They're a sideshow to our main event.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
13. A Vote For Hillary Will Bring Out All the GOP Stoked Fears With Trump
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:30 AM
Sep 2015

As the bearer of doom.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
15. They're going to go all-out regardless.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:40 AM
Sep 2015

You could argue that of the candidates, Clinton is most likely to "lose the left," and that could cost her. But I'm not sure how likely that scenario actually is - whether the left staying home, or Clinton losing because of it, if nominated.

I think our only possible "loser" would be Biden. He doesn't have a strong position - basically Clinton, except where he's a little worse. He would have to either run against Obama, or run as Obama's third term, both of which would be damaging to him, albeit in different ways from different people. And the unfortunate reality is that hi mouth is a big liability.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
23. Totally agreed
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:46 AM
Sep 2015

Our win is certain, if we turn out.
Sanders is simply the better candidate, in terms of policies and positions.
he guarantees the Left comes out and vote - which ripples down-ticket, too.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. There is no scenario that results in Trump becoming president
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:41 AM
Sep 2015

That is not going to happen.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. Not in the slightest
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:44 AM
Sep 2015

In fact, I think there are much more troubling Republican candidate who are actually, regrettably, in a position to possibly win the White House.

The reality is that Trump will be gone within a month or two.

Persondem

(2,101 posts)
21. Same poll. HRC beats Trump in NC. Advantage is outside MoE.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:45 AM
Sep 2015

And if Hillary can beat Trump now, ... with all the stupid email crap and The Donald near the peak of his popularity, then she would beat him easily in the general.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
32. Republicans will turn out in record numbers
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:58 AM
Sep 2015

to keep a Socialist out of the White House. Go check out some of their websites. There is great intensity about their opposition to Socialism

 

BlueWaveDem

(403 posts)
30. No way. Hillary has broad appeal across every Democratic demographic.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:53 AM
Sep 2015

And with the historic nature of electing our nation's first woman president, Hillary will garner massive voter turnout. Her appeal across every Democratic demographic is huge.

 

BlueWaveDem

(403 posts)
34. Debates don't change much and she's voted to regulate Wall Street over and over.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:02 PM
Sep 2015

She has already released numerous policy addressing this issue. Any rational viewer of the debates will be able to find her current policy proposals on this issue. Anyone who doesn't bother already has their mind made up. Hillary polls great among all Democratic demographics and will garner massive voter turnout in support.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
35. Her DLC Third Way DWS Campaign Is Paid For By Wall Street Donations
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:11 PM
Sep 2015

Regulations - yeah right - don't wait for that to happen.

 

BlueWaveDem

(403 posts)
41. She has already won the backing of 7 unions.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:53 PM
Sep 2015

And praise and endorsements from enviro organizations and women's rights groups, and congressional black caucus. All will be donating.

Response to BlueWaveDem (Reply #30)

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,653 posts)
42. One can't be serious if one believes Trump will be the GOP nominee
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 01:09 PM
Sep 2015

The data suggests his support has plateaued and is beginning to crest.


 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
4. After Iowa and New Hampshire is the time to check NC polls.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:00 AM
Sep 2015

They can change quickly depending on the outcomes of the first two contests.



 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
11. It could be.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:27 AM
Sep 2015

He's already tied with GOP candidates for lead among republican voters in NH.
He's won Vermont with 71% of the vote.
He's futher along in polls than Obama was at this time in '07.
The campaign is doing better than they themselves had predicted, in both polls and fundraising.
The DNC is panicking, and wooing Biden as a PlanB establishment candidate.
I'd say things are looking pretty good.

Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #7)

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
9. For now.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:23 AM
Sep 2015

First, there's the debates. These will do dual duty for sanders - first, it puts him in people's living rooms. Two, it lets him gets his message out there vs. Clinton's. And love her or not, the reality is that Clinton isn't the world's best debater.

And then we go into the early primaries and caucuses; Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina. You know as well as I do that the results of these contests have a heavy impact on Super Tuesday and beyond - it's why candidates spend so much time in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Tell me what the polls say on Feb. 26.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
14. The American people are starting to wake up
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:31 AM
Sep 2015

which is good for Bernie AND for the people.

Gothmog

(175,238 posts)
26. I wonder if Hillary Clinton can put NC into play for the general election
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:49 AM
Sep 2015

President Obama won North Carolina in 2008. The litigation on the NC voter suppression laws is before the judge right now and hopefully these laws will be ruled invalid under Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
27. Bernie will not win any southern states.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:49 AM
Sep 2015

All of you bluestaters have no idea what the electorate in the south is like. There's a lot of wishful thinking going on.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
37. Oh really
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:14 PM
Sep 2015

I live In Missouri so i know plenty about being liberal democrat In Red state.

You probally would have said same thing about Obama In 2007.How did that turn out?

Keep dismissing Bernie and you will be shocked.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
36. Hillary will win South Carolina by a landslide, at least by a 30 point spread
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:13 PM
Sep 2015

Hillary has the loyalty of the party regulars there and dominates the social network too.

No candidate could even make a dent in Hillary's lead in South Carolina.

Many South Carolina voters made a choice very early on they were going to be Clinton voters, before other candidates had even announced.

That's an interesting choice. I'm not sure why anyone would do that but it is their choice to make.

But it does take the suspense out of the South Carolina primary, since it is clear Hillary will win the primary by a landslide.

jkbRN

(850 posts)
39. HRC match ups
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:23 PM
Sep 2015
Clinton v Bush
Clinton 42.60%
Bush 46.00%


Clinton v Carson
Clinton 40.90%
Carson 52.30%

Clinton v Trump
Clinton 47.30%
Trump 40.00%

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
40. This is with Webb still sitting on his hands
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:46 PM
Sep 2015

If he ever decides to actually start campaigning I think the polling in the south is going to look a bit different.

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