2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumImplied electability odds from betting markets.
http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016presidentPredictwise has the betting odds for candidates to win both the nomination and the general election. By dividing the GE probability by the primary probability, we can compute the probability of winning the general conditional on first winning the primary. It comes out like this
Hillary: 68 primary, 42 general, conditional probability is 42/68 = 62%
Biden: 19 primary, 13 general, conditional probability 13/19 = 68%
Bernie: 12 primary, 6 general, conditional probability 6/12 = 50%
For the GOP leaders we get
Bush: 13/34 = 38%
Rubio: 9/25 = 36%
Trump: 6/12 = 50%
Fiorina: 3/8 = 38%
One note of caution, in cases where the numbers are low, rounding error could have a big influence. For example, Trump and Bernie are at 6/12 which comes to 50%, but if the 6 and 12 are actually 6.49 and 11.51, this would come out to 56%, and it could also go as low as 44% if the rounding worked out the other way.
Anyway, I find these numbers interesting. On the Dem side, it's no surprise that Bernie has the lowest electability, though 50% is respectable, and personally I think his chances of beating the GOP are lower than that. Biden comes out on top, which makes some sense, and Hillary is looking good too.
On the GOP side, the big surprise is that the most electable is Trump, and the mainstream candidates Bush and Rubio have horrible electability percentages, below 40. It is possible that some of Trump's GE odds are coming from a possible 3rd party candidacy, but I think that the odds of him running as a third party and actually winning are tiny.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)by the GOPers.
It's nice to be opposed to nuclear weapons, but if the other side has a nuclear bomb and all you have is a slingshot, good luck.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)On a number of levels.
The influence on money on elections is obscene.
But there is also a point of critical mass in which ads become neutered and/or counterproductive. "Not another goddamn Romney ad!"
Support and grassroots organizing is also a factor.
And if you want to talk money -- if Big Donors and the Democratic Establishment were to bail on funding in the General Election because it's Sanders.......Well it shows what they were expecting for their investments. And that's a big part of the problem.
It is also possible for Sanders to raise money in more small contributions. Say, being very conservative, as a baseline 10 million were convinced to donate $10, that's $100 million alone. And that can be expanded by more people and make larger donations.
Getting so tired of the about trying anything different.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)$100 million will not get the job done. That is reality.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Read the whole post, assume that many donations will be larger, and that perhaps more that 10 million people might kick in.
Once again, I am simply saying that -- while the campaign finance system is obscene -- we can't always base everything on of th big bad GOP and the wealthy.
That's how they keep winning.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Ron Green
(9,823 posts)old crap (polls, pundits, attack ads, focus groups, marketing, big money), then Clinton is your candidate.
However, if we're going to seize the opportunity to transform the system, that's another story.
artislife
(9,497 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)The Great All Seeing Miasmo predicts a Clinton win (at contract bridge, checkers, and Words with Friends).
And if you buy that I've got fantastic bridge to sell you.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)that makes Bernie look look less than infallible. Anyone knows those betting predictors are third way, corporatist, centrist republican lite types.
LettuceSea
(337 posts)Got him at 4.5 to 1 to win the minor league nomination.
Based on Oh P's calculations are those terrible odds?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)So if you bet on him at 4.5-to-1, that's a good price.