2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSalon: Hillary Clinton’s Bernie Sanders problem isn’t going away
Salon: Hillary Clintons Bernie Sanders problem isnt going away: She still wont acknowledge that hes no flash in the panSo far Clintons approach to Sanders and the other candidates mostly hands-off, choosing not to attack her Democratic rivals by name. But while its too soon to panic in Hillaryland, her aides are growing increasingly nervous about her unwillingness to engage Sanders more directly.
The problem with Clintons cautious strategy is that it presupposes that Sanders cant win the nomination. Thats a mistake. It will be very hard for Sanders to win, but its not at all impossible. This idea that Clinton can just sit back and wait for Sanders to implode is foolhardy at best. Sanders is talking about issues that matter deeply to liberals and progressives, and the more Clinton cedes that ground to Sanders, the more popular he gets.
Clintons benign neglect for Sanders has helped him surge in the polls so far its not clear why that should change anytime soon. But its also true that theres no easy way for Clinton to engage Sanders. To attack him too sharply is to risk alienating his supporters, who rightly regard him as the only authentic progressive in the race. There are several issues (especially on the economic front) on which Clinton could draw a contrast between herself and Sanders, but thats unlikely to improve her image amongst the Democratic base, who already find Bernie a more credible voice on these topics.
If Clinton is going to win over liberals, shell have to do it on the basis of her experience and electability and this argument isnt as convincing as it was, say, a year ago. But theres no way for her to avoid the Sanders problem. Bernie is closing the gap with Hillary because of his stances on the relevant issues. If Clinton waits until the debates or longer to engage him more directly, it may well be too late.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)"The problem with Clintons cautious strategy is that it presupposes that Sanders cant win the nomination."
arrogance and entitlement. it has plagued the clintons and is clearly not going away. and it is one of the primary reasons why she will lose.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Neo-liberalism is predicated on two things: what they want -and- what they believe will win. Sanders winning runs counter to that second predicate. I do not think he "can't win the nomination" because he can't beat Hillary. I think they believe he "can't win the nomination" because he is too far left, a self declared Democratic Socialist, etc.
They clearly believe other neo-libs could beat Hillary which is why they worked so hard to keep others from running.
So I suppose there is arrogance and entitlement on the part of neo-liberalism. They believe neo-liberalism can not lose to liberals.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)being in a beltway bubble distorts one's thinking.
because clearly some folks are not plugged in
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Bernie has moved the polls, particularly nationally, like Candidate Obama was unable to do until months later in the process. If past is prologue, the more Team Clinton frets about Bernie moving up in her rear view mirror, the more ugly her campaign's response will get. And we all know how nicely that worked out for her before.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Nice touch
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)has painted HRH into a very small corner. And it will keep getting smaller.
She can't really co-opt Bernie's positions because she has zero credibility to make any claim to being a real progressive/liberal.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)trof
(54,256 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)on your introduction to political satire.
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)They should dig up some old National Lampoons from its heyday in the '70s if they want to see examples of mean (and I say that as a fan of the old NatLamp).
For example: google "Ted Kennedy National Lampoon VW ad"
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Has registered your complaint and promptly decided it had better use checking erosion.
senz
(11,945 posts)with Bill stepping in. I love Bernie dressed all casual and thrown together with a perfectly confident smile.
Thanks!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and the fact that Brock is reportedly tailing Bernie 24/7 trying to catch him in some awkward
moment. I wouldn't be too surprised if Brock even tries to engineer some kind of set-up or
trap for Bernie.
I think the attacks will come, given Brock's reputation, and the growing desperation of Team
Hillary. After all, he's got to earn his keep.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)If he can't get dirt or a gaff by tailing Bernie, he WILL manufacture something - guaranteed. It's what he does.
We've gotten a taste if how unethical he is with the first attack on Bernie's Healthcare Plan. He won't be so careless next time when he leaks to some journalist. The next "journalist" will be as unethical as Brock and will have no qualms releasing Brock's fabrications.
Hopefully, the Interwebs is locked and loaded - ready to correct the lies. Fast.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
trof
(54,256 posts)What he's preaching resonates with a larger part of the population.
cyberpj
(10,794 posts)will need to see through false and malicious attacks, jokes and winks about Sanders' age, and the usual Foxtalk that may label them socialist pinkos if they agree with him.
I need to go look up Reagan's age at election.
Oh dear. I'm falling in hope again.
trof
(54,256 posts)xynthee
(477 posts)When will I learn??!!
Never give up.
Never surrender!
cyberpj
(10,794 posts)Well I said I was going to look it up!
From some wiki...
"69 years, 349 days
The oldest president to assume office was Ronald Reagan (age 69 years, 349 days), who was also the oldest in office (age 77 years, 349 days), ending at the inauguration of George H. W. Bush. The oldest living president is George H. W. Bush, born June 12, 1924 (aged 91 years, 107 days)."
And if we thought the first Catholic prez was a fight, well, even if Sen Sanders makes it through the age gauntlet, then there's this:
5 Faith Facts About Unabashedly Irreligious Bernie Sanders
link:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/30/bernie-sanders-faith_n_7174514.html
In our country, at this point in time, would it be possible to elect an Irreligious?
Dear God/Universe/Force/Energy, I'd love to see that too.
I'm confident there are even lots of Republican moderates (and they exist) who scratch their heads at the xenophobic, war-mongering message that seems to be more or less uniform among their party's candidates.
Sanders's message should speak to everyone seeking a voice that is historically and consistently in favor of the average voter, and that message is still gaining traction.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Government for the People, By the People.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)They're both struggling trying to get out their message, attacking the other one isn't going to help.