Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 01:47 PM Sep 2015

"Hard working Americans, white Anericans"

Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”

Whose racist comment was this?


13 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Hillary Clinton
13 (100%)
Show usernames
Disclaimer: This is an Internet poll
20 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
"Hard working Americans, white Anericans" (Original Post) Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 OP
Yeah, but she's "evolved" since then RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #1
context: radio interview w/USA today magical thyme Sep 2015 #7
Nasty stuff..... nc4bo Sep 2015 #14
Yup. That's how she rolls. RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #16
Context: USA today article, 5/8/2008 yodermon Sep 2015 #2
right, she was paraphrasing "working-class white voters" thesquanderer Sep 2015 #15
She was claiming electability over Obama because she would get the "white vote". Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #18
She cited an article about a poll showing Obama's (then) weakness among working class whites. thesquanderer Sep 2015 #20
That's not a poll. But you knew that. MineralMan Sep 2015 #3
Perhaps you should change your username to PointOfOrder RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #4
No. I think I'll just keep my current screen name, thanks. MineralMan Sep 2015 #5
Mineral Man is a paragon of virtue. His behavior is never anything less than exemplary./nt DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #6
You're far too kind. MineralMan Sep 2015 #8
Your kind, temperate, and generous spirit is like a light in a sea of darkness. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #9
does Obama's naming her SoS put this in perspective? 6chars Sep 2015 #10
The context of 'Hold your friends close, and your enemies closer'? nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #11
I don't see how. ieoeja Sep 2015 #12
I don't think so RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #13
interesting 6chars Sep 2015 #17
Sanders has never intimated anything about White Working Class Americans?! !!?1? wow.. wingerish uponit7771 Sep 2015 #19

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
1. Yeah, but she's "evolved" since then
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 02:03 PM
Sep 2015

Blame it on youthful indiscretion.

Of course, during that same period, Andrew Cuomo, who was sort of Hillary's Claire McCaskill back then, said of Obama, "You can't shuck and jive at a press conference."

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
16. Yup. That's how she rolls.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 03:33 PM
Sep 2015

Who can forget this little gem?

"I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say," she said. "He's never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."


And with that classic demonstration of Clinton's general "scorched earth" policy, McCain had a wonderful talking point.

I find it more than a little ironic that some people cry "hater!" when we criticize Hillary Clinton's record and policies, suggesting that -- intentionally or not -- we are doing the work for the Republicans. Back in 2008, given the anti-Obama fodder she supplied them, Clinton might as well have been on the Republican payroll.

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
2. Context: USA today article, 5/8/2008
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 02:08 PM
Sep 2015
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-05-07-clintoninterview_N.htm

Clinton makes case for wide appeal
Hillary Rodham Clinton vowed Wednesday to continue her quest for the Democratic nomination, arguing she would be the stronger nominee because she appeals to a wider coalition of voters — including whites who have not supported Barack Obama in recent contests.

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.


I cannot find the Associated Press article that Clinton was citing, does anyone have a link for that?

This article: ( http://mije.org/richardprince/hard-working-white-americans ) cites this link ( http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5giZDjUrVk9p4HpVouqLhFbdtXTYAD90GG3U00 ) but gives me a 404.

Thanks.

ON edit: found it via wayback machine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080516085405/http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5giZDjUrVk9p4HpVouqLhFbdtXTYAD90GG3U00
Nowhere in that article is the phrase "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans", so that is HER own paraphrase.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
15. right, she was paraphrasing "working-class white voters"
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 03:31 PM
Sep 2015

That was the phrase in the AP article, "working-class white voters." She was speaking unscripted and paraphrased "working class" as "hard-working" - So?

I'm a Bernie fan, but I think this kind of nit-picking is silliness, from either side. Nobody really believes Hillary is going to endorse racist policies. Nobody really thinks that about Bernie either. I can't believe that people are expending any energy trying to cast either of these people as enemies of PoC.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
18. She was claiming electability over Obama because she would get the "white vote".
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 07:41 AM
Sep 2015

You really want to defend that?

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
20. She cited an article about a poll showing Obama's (then) weakness among working class whites.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 10:13 AM
Sep 2015

You can argue that maybe it wasn't politically correct to point it out, but it was a fact, and a relevant answer to the question asked, and does not indicate that she is racist.

Here's an article that shows that HRC's support among men has weakened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-men-polls_560b0815e4b0768126ffb0c2

Is it misogynistic for anyone to ever mention that poll?

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
4. Perhaps you should change your username to PointOfOrder
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 02:13 PM
Sep 2015

I'm impressed by how quickly you swoop down to contest what you perceive to be an affront or infraction.

MineralMan

(146,298 posts)
5. No. I think I'll just keep my current screen name, thanks.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 02:15 PM
Sep 2015

Thanks for taking the time to reply to my reply.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
12. I don't see how.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 02:40 PM
Sep 2015

We've all heard that story a hundred times. She demanded SoS in exchange for her and Bill's support in the General Election. He agreed to give it to her, but only after stripping it of its most volatile responsibility. Special Envoy to the Middle East would report directly to White House staff during her tenure at State. It reverted to State control after Kerry was confirmed.

Worse yet, during her tenure the White House had to distance itself from her statements on multiple occasions. She thought nothing about disagreeing with Obama in public while working for him.

I would say the details of her State experience reinforces the OP if anything.


RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
13. I don't think so
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 02:41 PM
Sep 2015

That is, if you are suggesting that Obama's appointment of Clinton to SoS meant the two had buried the hatchet

JFK reportedly disliked LBJ pretty intensely. The same applied to Reagan and Bush.
And, of course, Dwight Eisenhower let his true feelings about Richard Nixon leak out when asked about Nixon's input in the Eisenhower administration:

Asked at a news conference in 1960, when Nixon was the Republican presidential nominee, to cite a "major idea" of his that Eisenhower had adopted, Ike famously answered, half-joking, "If you give me a week, I might think of one. I don't remember."


So, the point is that Presidents frequently bring their enemies into the fold. Or, as Lyndon Johnson famously put it.

“It's probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in.”


6chars

(3,967 posts)
17. interesting
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 04:33 PM
Sep 2015

I had the impression they had buried the hatchet, but maybe not so much. That Eisenhower quote is hilarious -what a slam.

uponit7771

(90,336 posts)
19. Sanders has never intimated anything about White Working Class Americans?! !!?1? wow.. wingerish
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 08:36 AM
Sep 2015

... Hillary hate

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»"Hard working Americ...