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reddread

(6,896 posts)
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 06:48 PM Sep 2015

Is Biden needed just to impact Sanders at the debate?

Could his sole value (discounting his appeal/track record. face it,
he's no JFK)
be in how much time and attention he could absorb during the debate,
just to diminish Bernie Sanders potential impact?

I dont think it will work, but it seems like the real reason for this particular farce.
Im sure DWS will be very amenable to whatever happens.

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Is Biden needed just to impact Sanders at the debate? (Original Post) reddread Sep 2015 OP
As a twin to Hillary, I think is impact will be more on her. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #1
Either way, it's definitely a conspiracy. Definitely. DanTex Sep 2015 #2
crazy talk reddread Sep 2015 #3
And don't get me started about the moon landing... DanTex Sep 2015 #4
It's a bad one if so. Conspiring to lessen Bernie's impact, if true, truly would be a very bad sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #5
There's no bad conspiracy theory. I love them all. The wackier, the better. DanTex Sep 2015 #6
Regardless of the underlying reason, it's clear that Biden's inclusion in the '16 Primary discussion Maedhros Sep 2015 #7
Very true. hifiguy Oct 2015 #26
I thought he was the DLC, 3rd way, plan B when Hillary implodes???? JoePhilly Sep 2015 #8
I hope Bernie gets a chance to debate Hillary on stage without Biden HerbChestnut Sep 2015 #9
I haven't heard that he is going to be in the debate. Is jwirr Sep 2015 #10
CNN will admit him as long as he declares he's running, even if it's the day of the debate (eom) mak3cats Sep 2015 #11
I think it's more likely he'd overshadow Hillary. He is a better speaker, but Bernie is best. Fearless Sep 2015 #12
Hillary doesn't need Biden to clean bernie's clock in a debate. leftofcool Sep 2015 #13
of course not, she only needs a miracle reddread Sep 2015 #14
....and a flashlight and a map Left Ear Sep 2015 #16
GPS and a pocketful of minions reddread Sep 2015 #17
Perhaps she could wipe Bernie's clock, with a cloth Fumesucker Oct 2015 #22
I think she still has the rag she wiped the server with artislife Oct 2015 #27
Hillary needs to worry about all her evolving. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #15
You're joking, right? hifiguy Oct 2015 #28
Joe Biden is going to sound like Hillary so why bother? Todays_Illusion Sep 2015 #18
i doubt he will do it restorefreedom Oct 2015 #19
I think he will enter and drop out reddread Oct 2015 #20
hmmm. that would be interesting nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #21
I've thought about that aspect that if Biden should run it wouldn't be to win so much Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #23
usually when someone actually wants to run for president reddread Oct 2015 #25
Biden would be another voice to the party right HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #24
 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
1. As a twin to Hillary, I think is impact will be more on her.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 06:53 PM
Sep 2015

And, I think he has a good chance of forcing her out of the race....giving Bernie a better chance of getting the nomination.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
5. It's a bad one if so. Conspiring to lessen Bernie's impact, if true, truly would be a very bad
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 06:58 PM
Sep 2015

conspiracy. But we saw the Brock conspiracy to lessen Bernie's impact. So anything is possible. That one raised over one million dollars for Bernie. Talk about unintended consequences from a conspiracy gone bad.

Btw, did Medid Matters ever correctherecord on Brock's totally embarrassing effort to earn his Big Donor pay off to his 'Super (bad) Pac'? Isn't that what they do over there? Correcttherecord?

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
7. Regardless of the underlying reason, it's clear that Biden's inclusion in the '16 Primary discussion
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 07:02 PM
Sep 2015

is some tactical ploy by elements within the DNC that want to game the outcome.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
26. Very true.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:29 PM
Oct 2015

They want an alternative to jump to when HRH craters. Which she will, just like in '08.

Two hours on stage with Martin and Bernie - who give straight answers to even the tough questions - and there will be nothing left of HRH but a pair of smoking shoes and a nebulous miasma of platitudinous and meaningless Turd Way rhetoric.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
8. I thought he was the DLC, 3rd way, plan B when Hillary implodes????
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 07:04 PM
Sep 2015

Its funny how the Biden meme swings 180 degrees from day to day.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
9. I hope Bernie gets a chance to debate Hillary on stage without Biden
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 07:07 PM
Sep 2015

That will give people a chance to compare the two side by side for the first time. It might also give O'Malley a chance to gain some steam.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
10. I haven't heard that he is going to be in the debate. Is
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 09:39 PM
Sep 2015

this official?

And unless he is actually running this should not be allowed.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
12. I think it's more likely he'd overshadow Hillary. He is a better speaker, but Bernie is best.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 09:42 PM
Sep 2015

Bernie is far more engaging than both. Biden is far more engaging than Hillary. She will lose more from the debates if Biden enters.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
15. Hillary needs to worry about all her evolving.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 10:00 PM
Sep 2015

She might get tripped up on what she believes that day. We'll know when that happens when she starts that high-pitched laugh and starts speaking as though her vowels have been flattened by a Mac truck.

But, that reminds me, I need a new clock. This one will do.

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hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
28. You're joking, right?
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:34 PM
Oct 2015

She is double-plus ungood as a debater. Sanders and O'Malley are very good indeed.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
18. Joe Biden is going to sound like Hillary so why bother?
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 11:35 PM
Sep 2015

How can corporate Democratic Joe offer anything in a debate that corporate Democratic Hillary won't.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
19. i doubt he will do it
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:13 AM
Oct 2015

he and the dnc will look pretty foolish if he does the debate and them says naaahhh. and i still don't think he is running


Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
23. I've thought about that aspect that if Biden should run it wouldn't be to win so much
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:31 AM
Oct 2015

but to take attention and time away from Bernie and/or damage him in the debates via gang up.

Thanks for the thread, reddread.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
25. usually when someone actually wants to run for president
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:13 PM
Oct 2015

EVERYONE knows it.
if anyone "doesnt" know by now, they dont wanna,
and CLEARLY lack the necessary spirit for a job this big.
incredible how many willing victims to this chicanery when
they should be organizing candidates and campaigns for
their own interests and the common good.
these vultures are leaders only in the sense of Judas Goats.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
24. Biden would be another voice to the party right
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:30 AM
Oct 2015

That would shift the balance of the debate and the campaign conversation toward the right.

Biden provides a challenge and an opportunity for H>. Biden's entry takes up a share of everything, including available voters, making the dominance of H> look not dominant.

Still, Biden would provide an obvious ally against the message of the left, and an opportunity for H> to distance herself from Obama policy in that she can be openly against Biden without being openly against Obama.

The challenge is how to do the dance. Biden can't threaten Clinton presence on the national stage. Such a thing would likely unleash the sequel 'Petulance of the PUMA' and Biden's emotional endurance would be truly tested.






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