Bernie Sanders Leads the Way on Major Issues. Hillary Follows His Lead!

[sabrina 1]

On Citizens United:

Bernie makes this the central issue of his campaign. Not only by TALKING about it, he is refusing to take Citizens United-provided huge donations, opting instead to go to the People to help him beat CU. Early in his campaign he states he will appoint no SC Judge who is not opposed to CU.


Hillary later announces that she opposes Citizens United. However she takes advantage of it by accepting huge donations now possible BECAUSE of Citizens United. Hillary gets on board with Bernie later to also state she will not appoint any SC who do not oppose CU.

On the Keystone Pipeline:

Bernie opposes the Keystone Pipeline from the start. He wants the US to move towards Alternative Energy, as an Environment Hawk he understands the damage this Pipeline will cause, is already causing in Canada, to our Environment.

Hillary initially says she will let her position be known to us AFTER the election on the Keystone Pipeline. However she has since changed her mind and joined Bernie stating that she too is now opposed to the Keystone Pipeline.

On the TPP:

Bernie, along with every Union in the country and a majority of Americans, opposes this Secret Deal vehemently and fights as hard as he can to stop it from passing into law.

Hillary was a proponent of this deal going back to her tenure as Secretary of State. However, just today we have heard that she is again following Bernie's example, or at least sending out signals that she is no longer 100% behind it, but will make a final determination after she sees the text.

Bernie has seen the leaks, doesn't want Global Corps writing or influencing our legislation, wants Trade Agreements that put American Workers first. Based on the secrecy of the deal, the involvement of major Global Corps who will have the power to overcome our hard fought for laws, he doesn't need to know more than that.

Hillary has moved to Bernie's longtime positions on other major issues also, Marriage Equality eg which she was still opposed to until 2013.

I've heard questions about how Bernie will work with a Congress that opposes his policies.

I think this demonstrates his Leadership. He has been able to persuade the Democratic Front Runner that her positions on some major issues are not where the American people are.

This is very good for the country. To see a real Leader begin the process of moving the country to where the majority of the PEOPLE are on major issues that affect all of our lives, LEFT.

I won't be surprised to see some of the GOP gang begin following him to the Left also on some issues because no one can win this election by supporting issues the people oppose so overwhelmingly.

However, much as I applaud people who are willing to admit when they are wrong, I want a LEADER in the White House.

Someone who got it right HIMSELF who has the judgement and the foresight to know when something is going to be bad for the country.

And because I know I can trust Bernie Sanders not to change his mind on the above mentioned issues once the elections are over.

Hillary? She has far too many Corporate Donors who will be negatively impacted financially by a Government that opposes these issues.

As Biden said recently 'the money in politics has a corrosive effect on our system' AND he pointed out, even on good people, such as even himself.

I am with the person who is NOT going to influenced by Corporate Cash and who is smart enough to see the consequences of bad legislation BEFORE he publicly opposes it and/or casts his vote for or against it .

Congratulations to Bernie for the influence he is having on this Election.

Without him in this race, most of these issues would not even be mentioned.

[Live and Learn]

1. +1 nt

[Wilms]

2. I hope she'll change her mind...

...and vote for Bernie.

[artislife]

8. With her changing from day to day, that may be a possibility!

[kenfrequed]

3. I believe Bernie

He has been absolutely consistent on these issues. My support will stay with him on all of this.

[onehandle]

4. He won't win, but I have no doubt that losers influence the winner. nt

[sabrina 1]

7. He IS winning, as soon as people get to know him, they are flocking to his campaign.

And which 'losers' do you think are influencing Bernie btw?

No, losers who are wrong on the issues influence no one.

Bernie is his own person and always been and has been consistently right on all the major issues facing this country for decades now.

[daleanime]

14. I curious, how do you think Hillary would influence Bernie....

yes, yes, I know you don't think Bernie will win. Just consider this a mental exercise.

[workinclasszero]

37. Agreed

The OP left out one little important thing.

Hillary Clinton can win a national election. Bernie can't even win one southern state!

LOLZ

[cui bono]

44. Why do you say that? n/t

[eridani]

55. Sanders appeals to the 63%. Clinton does not n/t

[rhett o rick]

53. Sadly those that gloat about the money that is behind Clinton call themselves Democrats.

Selling your soul for money isn't a Democratic principle.

[restorefreedom]

5. he is a leader, she is a follower

people want leaders.

its why he will win.

[sabrina 1]

9. And the problem with followers is you can't trust them not to follow someone else if it looks

like it will benefit them.

We so badly need strong leaders at this point. Bernie will be such a leader.

[restorefreedom]

11. her "leadership" decisions have always been based on political gain

Bernie's have been based on doing what's right. I can't imagine a clearer difference between two people.

[frylock]

6. HILLARY 2016: Me too!

[restorefreedom]

10. awesome bumper sticker!

it will fit on a T-shirt great too.

[jeff47]

12. HILLARY 2016: I support whatever Sanders said. (nt)

[sabrina 1]

16. There's a problem even with this. In Cheese Sandwiche's OP she points out that Hillary

unlike Sanders, doesn't oppose the main Principles involved in the TPP. Giving power to Global Corps to overcome Sovereign Govt's laws. She is a proponent of this horrible policy. Carefully choosing her words but not mentioning this, doesn't translate to 'I oppose the TPP' She doesn't, we know this.

[jeff47]

17. HILLARY 2016: For the moment, I support whatever Sanders said. (nt)

[Armstead]

24. Exactly -- It's a complex issue but also straightforward

They love to bury the overall context below a pile of minuscule debris that confuses and misleads as to the larger intent an impact.

[Fawke Em]

20. #ThingsBernieSaidFirst

[MissDeeds]

21. Ouch!

But spot on

[cui bono]

45. Or longer ago...

Spot on though.

And... she will change her tune if she gets elected. Just like Bill and Barack.

[erronis]

13. "Without him in this race, most of these issues would not even be mentioned." Perfect!

Without Bernie bringing the important issues to the front time and again, we'd just have the normal media circu$ of sound bites about trivia.

[sabrina 1]

23. It would be all infotainment all the time. Hillary V Trump exchanging barbs unrelated to issues.

Iow, political theater because we know they are friends, who have atteneded each others' family gatherings, Trump donating to Hillary etc.

!

[Fawke Em]

49. Or Hillary and Jeb! exchanging barbs on Twitter.

Like that isn't scripted.

Their families are close and anyone with half a brain knows it.

Like I really believe they or their staff would engage in a Twitter war.

Here's Carson on social media trying to engage, well, someone:

[99th_Monkey]

15. Big K&R - The ever-evolving Hillary: The Dem's "Me Too!" candidate. nt

[sabrina 1]

19. And the question for the people is 'is this just campaign rhetoric which will be forgotten should

she win the election'.

With Bernie we don't have to worry about that. We know his record.

[99th_Monkey]

22. It's not called "Camp Weathervane" for nothing

Personally I have not one whit of confidence that Hilary will keep any campaign promise
that is at variance with her corporate masters..

Her ties to Wall St; big pharma, private prison industry, MIC, et. al. are so obvious and
so well-documented that I don't know how anyone can take her seriously as some kind
of last-minute "populist champion of the people" against the very interests that have given
her million$ upon million$ of hand-per-fist money for her campaign coffers.

Even her stated "opposition" to TPP is so tepidly worded, with several caveates the size
of Manhatten, that it could mean anything, or nothing. But never-mind all that, Hillary gets
breathless headline coverage announcing "Hillary Clinton Opposed To TPP".

For me this changes absolutely NOTHING but she'll probably fool some of the people some
of the time.

[sabrina 1]

36. I agree and polls even those who still have her in the lead, reflect that lack of trust, which makes

no sense to me. Why would you support a candidate you don't trust? Anyhow, all these announcements coming out just days before the debates, tells me her campaign is just talking, this is a 'strategy' not a policy.

She knows the TPP will come up so they rushed this out so she can claim she too 'opposes it'.

They really do think we are stupid. I am hoping that most people are not and will see right through these games.

[WillyT]

18. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[SoapBox]

25. The Camp Weathervane seems to stop spinning on the,

Me too! Me too! option.

And all this stuff makes me trust her even less.

[sadoldgirl]

26. So true!

I am waiting for her "attacks" on the big banks, also just
before the debate!

The problem is that she stays so vague in her
Commitments that she can claim as a nominee
that she had just been thinking about it.

[merrily]

27. Agree and am underscoring: Hillary DOES not oppose TPP; Bernie does oppose TPP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128059879

As to Citizen's United, as a practical matter, neither of them can do anything about it, other than appoint anti-CU justices if and when there are vacancies on the SCOTUS. Initially, Hillary said something like "even if requires a Constitutional amendment," but she has since walked that back.

As far as working with Congress, Sanders has been far more effective at that than Hillary was when she was a Senator. More meaningfull legislation (including amendments) that he wrote because law. With Hillary, most of the bills that she wrote that became law were ceremonial, like commemorating the 225th anniversary of the revolution or some such.

[sabrina 1]

28. Absolutely agree with you re what they can do. Btw, the Clintons are apparently walking forward

again on the Constitutional Amendment. See my new OP here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251657137

There is one thing they ALL can do, Dems I mean, REFUSE TO TAKE THAT MONEY, then SLAM Repubs who are doing so especially considering it is now a top issue with over 80% of voters.

But so far, Hillary is helping to strengthen CU by accepting the unlimited amounts of money flowing into Super Pacs, made possible by what she now says she opposes.

Talk is cheap.

Bernie isn't just talking, he is doing his part to negate the effects of this awful legislation.

[merrily]

31. That is bs and both Clintons know that.

And, yes, when Bernie talked about a constitutional amendment, I said the same thing. However, I found this OP of mine on the subject first.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12776799

[sabrina 1]

43. I just kicked that up as it's worth reading again now in today's context.

[cui bono]

46. And I just rec'd it since I missed it the first time around.

[sabrina 1]

48. I had rec'd it back in April, but it's very relevant now.

[HooptieWagon]

29. Bernie gets it right the first time...the sign of a leader.

Hillary gets it right after checking with her consultants and focus groups, and 'evolving'...the sign of a panderer.

[Uncle Joe]

30. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, sabrina.

[99Forever]

32. Hillary's bigger problem is....

....no one with a functioning brain actually buys her new found populst bullshit.

I love the smell of a neoliberals credibility BERNing in the morning.

[sorechasm]

33. 'If the people will Lead, the Leaders will Follow'

My favorite bumper sticker.

Hillary's cabinet will include the Secretary of Bernie to develop any policy currently unfavored by MSM or Wall Street. The rest of the Cabinet does 'Market Testing'.

[sabrina 1]

34. Yes, I like and believe that quote also. We have a chance to put it into action by electing

a candidate who represents the PEOPLE first, for the first time in a long time.

We'll see if the people decide to take the lead or fall for the expected campaign propaganda, once again.

[NorthCarolina]

35. She cannot adopt Bernie's policy at this point and still seem credible. I think this

is a mistake for the Clinton campaign. She will alienate the core Clinton supporters with her recent "Socialist" epiphany, as they clearly despise Bernie's brand of Democratic Socialism. As Claire McCaskill, Third-Way Senator Supreme and Clinton BFF, has warned America "He's a Socialist for Gods Sake!!!"

Hillary will not pull any Bernie supporters either by suddenly adopting his philosophy, as there is a complete lack of "trust" in opportunistic last minute political transformations. A phoenix from the ashes she is not.

[sabrina 1]

38. I agree, this sudden populism doesn't gel with her lifelong neoliberal policies so no, no Bernie

supporter will flocking to her campaign as a result of this apparent change of heart on some of these issues.

I agree it will probably harm her with many of her own supporters. After all they have been DEFENDING her positions on these issues.

I personally have been informed that she is 'thoughtful and unlike Bernie has EXPERIENCE that informs her 'judgement' on these issues.

I notice a lack of response to this thread eg, by any of her normally very vocal supporters in some of my threads. Which I always welcome because you just know that she will let them down if she sees that what they are defending her for, will harm her chances to win.

I know the feeling, I defended her too for many years only to have to acknowledge that I was defending someone who would not defend me and who ended up BFF with the very people we were defending her from.

Fool me once etc, to quote one of her now BFF and according to his mother, Babs, 'part of the family'

[KoKo]

40. Recommend...and,

I know the feeling, too. A sad, from experience

I know the feeling, I defended her too for many years only to have to acknowledge that I was defending someone who would not defend me and who ended up BFF with the very people we were defending her from.

[stillwaiting]

58. Being a socialist for God's sake makes perfect sense to me.

And, she says that like it's a bad thing.

Better than being a conservative for Satan's I'd say.


Bernie: A Socialist for God's Sake. I like it.

[aspirant]

39. With all of HRC's experience,

it now comes down to realizing she is Bernie's Student.

[sabrina 1]

47. Yes, you know, I would have more respect for someone if they stood by their long held beliefs

and defended them rather than 'evolving' each time it appears that their policy positions might not be popular enough to help them win an election.

At least you know where you stand with someone who actually believes in their positions.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

41. She follows......at a safely triangulated distance.

[dixiegrrrrl]

52. subject to changing her mind at any time, tho.

I cannot trust her.
Just watching her in 2008 was more than enough info for me.

[senz]

42. K&R -- excellent analysis, very good points. Thanks, sabrina!

[mak3cats]

50. K & R!! (eom)

[cantbeserious]

51. HRC - Always Moving Right For The Wrong Reasons

eom

[rhett o rick]

54. Fracking. As Sec of State she used the power of our government to work with Chevron to strongly

coerce foreign governments to allow fracking while the people's were protesting in the streets for clean drinking water.

Now she is backing off that position, but only very slightly.

Clinton supporters are terrified to speak to this issue. Oil profits over clean drinking water is not very Democratic.

[sabrina 1]

59. Well, this is why Bernie is gaining so much support. People are sick and tired of politicians who

cannot be trusted to remain true to their principles.

The consistency of Bernie Sanders on major issues compared to the political opportunism we see from most politicians is a breath of fresh air.

If you are afraid to speak out on something as important as the threat of fracking to our environment because of who you support, it's time to support someone else imo.

[raouldukelives]

56. K&R nt

[Segami]

57. K&R!