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Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:12 AM Aug 2012

Veep Beat: Paul Ryan’s Rising Momentum

RYAN RISING: There has been a surge in mentions about Rep. Paul Ryan as Mitt Romney’s potential running mate in recent days, and, as National Review Online’s Robert Costa writes, the chatter about a Romney-Ryan ticket could just be true. “These days, you hear it everywhere – from Republican donors and veteran operatives, and at Capitol Hill watering holes. A few weeks ago, it was a wishful rumor floating in the Beltway ether. Now, sources close to the Romney campaign say it’s for real, that the taciturn former Massachusetts governor is quietly warming to the idea.


PARTY INSIDERS SPLIT ON RYAN:
The prospect of Rep. Paul Ryan joining the GOP ticket excites one side of the Republican Party wishing Romney would be more forthcoming with the policy change he’d bring to Washington while at the same time, spurs hesitancy among others who are concerned Democrats would slash away at a Romney-Ryan ticket based on the Wisconsin representative’s budget plan, Politico’s Jonathan Martin, Jake Sherman and Maggie Haberman reprort. “As Mitt Romney’s vice presidential selection nears and buzz about Rep. Paul Ryan’s prospects builds, a split is emerging among Republicans about whether the choice of the House Budget chairman and architect of the party’s controversial tax and spending plan would be a daring plus for the ticket or a miscalculation that would turn a close election into a referendum on Medicare,” Martin, Sherman and Haberman wrote. “Ryan advocates, including some of his colleagues and high-profile conservative elites, believe Romney will lose if he doesn’t make a more assertive case for his candidacy and that selecting the 42-year-old wonky golden boy would sound a clarion call to the electorate about the sort of reforms the presumptive GOP nominee wants to bring to Washington. Call them the ‘go bold’ crowd. Their opposites, pragmatic-minded Republican strategists and elected officials, believe that to select Ryan is to hand President Barack Obama’s campaign a twin-edged blade, letting the incumbent slash Romney on the Wisconsin congressman’s Medicare proposal and carve in the challenger a scarlet ‘C’ for the unpopular Congress. This is the cautious corner. Romney and his high command have kept a close hold on the vice presidential selection process, but sources familiar with the candidate’s thinking say Ryan remains under consideration. The two men, both consumers of weighty tomes and papers, have bonded over policy and developed an easy professional rapport this year. Ryan told colleagues in Washington last week, before the House escaped for a month-long recess, that he hadn’t spoken with top Romney aides in about a month though he had submitted paperwork for vice presidential vetting, according to a source close to the Budget chair.”

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Veep Beat: Paul Ryan’s Rising Momentum (Original Post) Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 OP
My political vibe tells me that the Ryan thing is being put out there as a decoy CTyankee Aug 2012 #1
Yeah, I agree. Major Hogwash Aug 2012 #4
Could be Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2012 #7
He's from Ohio and "some" think he would help carry the state for Mitt. CTyankee Aug 2012 #11
It would just reinforce the notion (advanced, ironically, by the Romney campaign) Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2012 #12
and Pawlenty has tax return issues and that "unfortunate" incident with that bridge falling down CTyankee Aug 2012 #15
Christie would definitely add some "heft" to the campaign for sure Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2012 #18
well, his Jersey accent and angry demeanor might just turn off some voters as typical of CTyankee Aug 2012 #19
Not many remember he was Bush's budget director. gkhouston Aug 2012 #20
True Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2012 #21
The Obama camp would be happy with Ryan. JaneQPublic Aug 2012 #2
Romney will probably pick a gay black woman and think he has trumped Obama-Biden. Major Hogwash Aug 2012 #3
I think that Ryan is a viable candidate WI_DEM Aug 2012 #5
I agree Robbins Aug 2012 #17
Please pick Ryan alcibiades_mystery Aug 2012 #6
Maybe this is the "something dramatic" that Mitt was talking about the other day Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2012 #8
I would like it to be Ryan but seriously doubt it will happen. LiberalFighter Aug 2012 #9
At this point they'll go with a safe choice of Portman or fallback Pawlenty. Cognitive_Resonance Aug 2012 #10
It's Portman. The Corporate Media can go to hell with their attempts to blind us. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2012 #13
Portman is dull as paint. He is a former lobbyist for dictators. Yep.. perfect match! :) n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #14
...and Dumbya's Point Man on the budget. Yep...perfect match indeed!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2012 #22
I count 38 edits on his Wiki page yesterday...... hedgehog Aug 2012 #16

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
1. My political vibe tells me that the Ryan thing is being put out there as a decoy
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:19 AM
Aug 2012

to deflect our attention away from Rob Portman. Don't get me wrong; I would LOVE it if Ryan were the candidate. He's too extreme and would scare the beejesus out of the older voters.

I could be wrong but my experience through MANY prez campaigns going back as far as JFK tells me this just doesn't have the ring of authenticity...

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
4. Yeah, I agree.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:31 AM
Aug 2012

"Excellent, Smithers. You're a genius for putting this plan into motion."

"Thank you, Mr Burns."

"Are you still here? Get back to work!"

"Yes, sir."

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
11. He's from Ohio and "some" think he would help carry the state for Mitt.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 12:03 PM
Aug 2012

Maybe, maybe not. I personally think Portman is the safe choice. But you remind me that he was in Bush's Admin. and that could be a fun talking point for the Obama campaign...

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
12. It would just reinforce the notion (advanced, ironically, by the Romney campaign)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 12:10 PM
Aug 2012

that his Administration would essentially be "Bush on steroids". But, hell, he's going to have to choose SOMEBODY eventually, so............. He doesn't really have a lot of good choices given the current crop of Republicans he has to work with. If he wants somebody, "safe", Portman may be that guy- though that won't really help inspire "the base" much. If he decides to be really daring, he might pick Ryan who is guaranteed to excite the base and establishment Republicans alike. Of course, that will put the spotlight on Ryan and his "budget", which I'm sure the Obama campaign will be salivating to launch some salvos on- if not the heavy guns.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
15. and Pawlenty has tax return issues and that "unfortunate" incident with that bridge falling down
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 12:45 PM
Aug 2012

while T-Paw was guvnor...that was sorta emblematic of what's wrong with America right there!

Well, there's also Christie. He would add some gravitas to the campaign...

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
18. Christie would definitely add some "heft" to the campaign for sure
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 01:07 PM
Aug 2012

and some people might like his blustery, bullying style. There's always the risk, though, that he could overshadow Romney himself. Plus, not everybody likes his blustery, bullying style too. That might turn off some indies though "blue" New Jersey seems to like him for some reason.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
19. well, his Jersey accent and angry demeanor might just turn off some voters as typical of
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 01:54 PM
Aug 2012

a crude New Jersey guy...IOW, a loudmouthed jerk...

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
20. Not many remember he was Bush's budget director.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 02:23 PM
Aug 2012

Portman has the least exposure of the the three (Portman, Pawlenty, and Ryan), so they have a window of opportunity to "define" him.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
21. True
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 02:31 PM
Aug 2012

I didn't know he was in the Bush (mis-)administration either until a short while ago. Still, hardly seems like an earth-shattering "game changer" for Mitt.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
2. The Obama camp would be happy with Ryan.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:24 AM
Aug 2012

Just picture all the ads they could produce detailing Ryan's plans for Medicare.

VP candidate Ryan would ensure Obama the senior and middle-age vote.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
3. Romney will probably pick a gay black woman and think he has trumped Obama-Biden.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:29 AM
Aug 2012

So, I think Condi Rice is in the lead to be Romney's choice for his veep candidate.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
5. I think that Ryan is a viable candidate
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:42 AM
Aug 2012

They want to try and take a blue state away from Obama and they might think it is possible with Ryan. Latest poll has Obama up by five in Wisconsin, not an overwhelming lead at all. They also think they can carry Iowa and with Ryan from a neighboring state they feel he might be helpful there. So I can actually see this happen. He would be acceptable to both party regular and tea partiers as well.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
17. I agree
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 01:00 PM
Aug 2012

I think he Is on short list.I have maintained I think Romney will pick him or Portman or Pawlenty.

The report on all the wikipage changes makes me think It will be Portman.But, I think Ryan Is more likely than Pawlenty.

I don't believe VP choice helps In any sate.People vote on top of ticket.VP candiate cna help as campaginer but people won't vote for president just for VP candiate.Maybe some right wingers came out for Palin and not Mccain In 2008.

Ryan would be gift for Democrats.If Portman Is picked It allows attacks on fact he was Bush's budget director.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
6. Please pick Ryan
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:57 AM
Aug 2012

His ridiculous schemes for outright give-aways to the top 1% are so well-documented that it will be childs play to present them in ads. His outrageous budgets completely fit the Romney Hood narrative.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
8. Maybe this is the "something dramatic" that Mitt was talking about the other day
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 11:16 AM
Aug 2012

I think that he would make the base VERY happy if he were to pick Ryan and, frankly, at this point, he's going to need to go "all in" on this or he's just going to slowly bleed to death (by a thousand cuts) by Election Night in November. Actually, being able to have a real debate about Ryan's budget might not be a bad idea during this race- unless we think that Ryan is going to change some minds and make people excited about it.

This is the kind of contrast that we need to have- Republicans for Ryan's crazy budget plans and advocating for Medicare destruction, middle-class tax increases vs. Democrats for a more balanced, reasonable approach to deficit reduction that protects Medicare and other social programs and supports for middle-class families. Plus, Mitt will have to own his support of Ryan's plan- so people are not harboring any illusions about what he would support if elected POTUS.

LiberalFighter

(50,912 posts)
9. I would like it to be Ryan but seriously doubt it will happen.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 11:31 AM
Aug 2012

As someone suggested likely a decoy.

IMO he brings absolutely nothing to the ticket that is worthwhile. He has never held any position higher than a US Representative. He's only been the Budget Chair since January 2011.

In addition, should Romney select Ryan it will call into question Romney's ability to make good decisions.

Cognitive_Resonance

(1,546 posts)
10. At this point they'll go with a safe choice of Portman or fallback Pawlenty.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 11:38 AM
Aug 2012

Ryan is a lightweight, and a risky pick due to his VoucherCare budget that strikes a nerve among seniors. Bob McDonnell would have been a leading contender, but after the ultrasound/vaginal probe fiasco he's damaged goods.

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