2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumVeep Beat: Paul Ryan’s Rising Momentum
RYAN RISING: There has been a surge in mentions about Rep. Paul Ryan as Mitt Romneys potential running mate in recent days, and, as National Review Onlines Robert Costa writes, the chatter about a Romney-Ryan ticket could just be true. These days, you hear it everywhere from Republican donors and veteran operatives, and at Capitol Hill watering holes. A few weeks ago, it was a wishful rumor floating in the Beltway ether. Now, sources close to the Romney campaign say its for real, that the taciturn former Massachusetts governor is quietly warming to the idea.PARTY INSIDERS SPLIT ON RYAN: The prospect of Rep. Paul Ryan joining the GOP ticket excites one side of the Republican Party wishing Romney would be more forthcoming with the policy change hed bring to Washington while at the same time, spurs hesitancy among others who are concerned Democrats would slash away at a Romney-Ryan ticket based on the Wisconsin representatives budget plan, Politicos Jonathan Martin, Jake Sherman and Maggie Haberman reprort. As Mitt Romneys vice presidential selection nears and buzz about Rep. Paul Ryans prospects builds, a split is emerging among Republicans about whether the choice of the House Budget chairman and architect of the partys controversial tax and spending plan would be a daring plus for the ticket or a miscalculation that would turn a close election into a referendum on Medicare, Martin, Sherman and Haberman wrote. Ryan advocates, including some of his colleagues and high-profile conservative elites, believe Romney will lose if he doesnt make a more assertive case for his candidacy and that selecting the 42-year-old wonky golden boy would sound a clarion call to the electorate about the sort of reforms the presumptive GOP nominee wants to bring to Washington. Call them the go bold crowd. Their opposites, pragmatic-minded Republican strategists and elected officials, believe that to select Ryan is to hand President Barack Obamas campaign a twin-edged blade, letting the incumbent slash Romney on the Wisconsin congressmans Medicare proposal and carve in the challenger a scarlet C for the unpopular Congress. This is the cautious corner. Romney and his high command have kept a close hold on the vice presidential selection process, but sources familiar with the candidates thinking say Ryan remains under consideration. The two men, both consumers of weighty tomes and papers, have bonded over policy and developed an easy professional rapport this year. Ryan told colleagues in Washington last week, before the House escaped for a month-long recess, that he hadnt spoken with top Romney aides in about a month though he had submitted paperwork for vice presidential vetting, according to a source close to the Budget chair.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/veep-beat-paul-ryans-rising-momentum/
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)to deflect our attention away from Rob Portman. Don't get me wrong; I would LOVE it if Ryan were the candidate. He's too extreme and would scare the beejesus out of the older voters.
I could be wrong but my experience through MANY prez campaigns going back as far as JFK tells me this just doesn't have the ring of authenticity...
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)"Excellent, Smithers. You're a genius for putting this plan into motion."
"Thank you, Mr Burns."
"Are you still here? Get back to work!"
"Yes, sir."
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)but why? What's so special about former George W. Bush Budget Director Portman?
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Maybe, maybe not. I personally think Portman is the safe choice. But you remind me that he was in Bush's Admin. and that could be a fun talking point for the Obama campaign...
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)that his Administration would essentially be "Bush on steroids". But, hell, he's going to have to choose SOMEBODY eventually, so............. He doesn't really have a lot of good choices given the current crop of Republicans he has to work with. If he wants somebody, "safe", Portman may be that guy- though that won't really help inspire "the base" much. If he decides to be really daring, he might pick Ryan who is guaranteed to excite the base and establishment Republicans alike. Of course, that will put the spotlight on Ryan and his "budget", which I'm sure the Obama campaign will be salivating to launch some salvos on- if not the heavy guns.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)while T-Paw was guvnor...that was sorta emblematic of what's wrong with America right there!
Well, there's also Christie. He would add some gravitas to the campaign...
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)and some people might like his blustery, bullying style. There's always the risk, though, that he could overshadow Romney himself. Plus, not everybody likes his blustery, bullying style too. That might turn off some indies though "blue" New Jersey seems to like him for some reason.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)a crude New Jersey guy...IOW, a loudmouthed jerk...
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)Portman has the least exposure of the the three (Portman, Pawlenty, and Ryan), so they have a window of opportunity to "define" him.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)I didn't know he was in the Bush (mis-)administration either until a short while ago. Still, hardly seems like an earth-shattering "game changer" for Mitt.
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)Just picture all the ads they could produce detailing Ryan's plans for Medicare.
VP candidate Ryan would ensure Obama the senior and middle-age vote.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)So, I think Condi Rice is in the lead to be Romney's choice for his veep candidate.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)They want to try and take a blue state away from Obama and they might think it is possible with Ryan. Latest poll has Obama up by five in Wisconsin, not an overwhelming lead at all. They also think they can carry Iowa and with Ryan from a neighboring state they feel he might be helpful there. So I can actually see this happen. He would be acceptable to both party regular and tea partiers as well.
I think he Is on short list.I have maintained I think Romney will pick him or Portman or Pawlenty.
The report on all the wikipage changes makes me think It will be Portman.But, I think Ryan Is more likely than Pawlenty.
I don't believe VP choice helps In any sate.People vote on top of ticket.VP candiate cna help as campaginer but people won't vote for president just for VP candiate.Maybe some right wingers came out for Palin and not Mccain In 2008.
Ryan would be gift for Democrats.If Portman Is picked It allows attacks on fact he was Bush's budget director.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)His ridiculous schemes for outright give-aways to the top 1% are so well-documented that it will be childs play to present them in ads. His outrageous budgets completely fit the Romney Hood narrative.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)I think that he would make the base VERY happy if he were to pick Ryan and, frankly, at this point, he's going to need to go "all in" on this or he's just going to slowly bleed to death (by a thousand cuts) by Election Night in November. Actually, being able to have a real debate about Ryan's budget might not be a bad idea during this race- unless we think that Ryan is going to change some minds and make people excited about it.
This is the kind of contrast that we need to have- Republicans for Ryan's crazy budget plans and advocating for Medicare destruction, middle-class tax increases vs. Democrats for a more balanced, reasonable approach to deficit reduction that protects Medicare and other social programs and supports for middle-class families. Plus, Mitt will have to own his support of Ryan's plan- so people are not harboring any illusions about what he would support if elected POTUS.
LiberalFighter
(50,912 posts)As someone suggested likely a decoy.
IMO he brings absolutely nothing to the ticket that is worthwhile. He has never held any position higher than a US Representative. He's only been the Budget Chair since January 2011.
In addition, should Romney select Ryan it will call into question Romney's ability to make good decisions.
Cognitive_Resonance
(1,546 posts)Ryan is a lightweight, and a risky pick due to his VoucherCare budget that strikes a nerve among seniors. Bob McDonnell would have been a leading contender, but after the ultrasound/vaginal probe fiasco he's damaged goods.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)We're smarter than that!!