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Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:04 AM

Much has changed in the past eight years.

Looking at what has changed should affect our views about the Democratic primary race, I think. Change is constant. Looking to the past is not the most useful thing to do in many ways.

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Reply Much has changed in the past eight years. (Original post)
MineralMan Oct 2015 OP
DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #1
MineralMan Oct 2015 #4
DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #6
Fumesucker Oct 2015 #2
MineralMan Oct 2015 #5
Fumesucker Oct 2015 #8
cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #3
Bonobo Oct 2015 #7
Autumn Oct 2015 #9

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:15 AM

1. No. Continuity is important.

 

If there was an arc to follow, that would be one thing. But this is a case of a public figure inveighing heavily against a candidate in one election cycle, and completely changing his tune in the next. This isn't a progression; it's more like loading the anti-Clinton profile, then clearing memory and loading a pro-Clinton profile. It's hypocritical in the extreme, and it's very telling.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:39 AM

4. Circumstances are quite different in 2015 than they were in 2007.

We face a whole new set of challenges, along with the leavings of some old ones. In 2007, we were dealing with two terms of a moronic Republican President who led us into a war and destroyed the economy. In 2015, the situation is far different than then. We elected Barack Obama in 2008, and he's done a pretty good job of dealing with the challenges in place at that time.

It's not 2007. Not by a long shot. Opinions have changed on the part of voters. Positions have changed on the part of candidates. Many things have changed.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:43 AM

6. Arc. Continuity. Lack thereof. Check my post again.

 

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:24 AM

2. Oh indeed

Social media is letting those who aren't necessarily tuned into politics as much as we here at DU are see the sausage making a lot better than ever and they find it's not much to their liking.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:42 AM

5. DU is not reflective of the overall population, really.

As much as we'd like to think we represent what this country thinks and believes, that's simply not true at all. Each and every one of us sees reality through a filter. How obscurely we see things depends on the filter we look through. From time to time, it's a good idea, I think, to remove that filter and take an non-obscured look around.

Reality tends to get filtered out all too often, but is still present and real.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:54 AM

8. That wasn't actually my point

But you go right on thinking it.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:32 AM

3. Change is the ONLY constant.

 

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:46 AM

7. A person near 70 years old that was a liar in 2008 does not miraculously change their spots

in just 7 years.

I have lived long enough to know that people do not change that much.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:06 AM

9. I find much of the change to be unacceptable in some things and good in others.

What has changed in the world did affect my views about the Democratic primary race, In 2008 I wanted to see a woman President and I liked Bill and Hillary so I supported her and the proudest day of my life was the day I caucused for her. But now I see all the changes and many of those changes will do harm to the American people if they continue and more of the same will no longer satisfy the needs of the people. If a politician gives a different opinion on the same subjects every couple of weeks depending on the audience and what they think it will net them in 2008 and again in 2015, what change there? When you strongly believe a person has a serial problem with the truth and has never admitted or apologized for the lies you attribute to her what has changed there? If you hated a person because they voted for the IWR in 2008 and you consider them to be "morally depraved" and a fooking liar about everything and love them today what has changed there? How do you support a person who you believe will 'burn all the crops, shoot the horses, blow up the houses and destroy everything as they retreat" ? How do you support a person whom you believe that if they can't have the White House they would rather give it to the republicans? What change there and how do you support the same person who did all those things that you so much hated? The only thing that has changed is the opponent.


I like learning from the past. Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it so IMV looking to the past is a useful thing to do.

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