2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPicking Paul Ryan as vp is what Romney is hoping is a 'game changer'.
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Ryan wants vouchers instead of Medicare. He'll tell the younger voters that they will not be able to keep medicare costs down unless people get vouchers as they age. Next they'll talk about social security and how it is not funded. After that it will be pension obligations and how they have to let pensions obligations and unions lapse or the young will end up paying for that too. Romney is going for the younger vote now that Ryan is vp. He wants to change the whole race IMHO. The GOP have a whole new set of FEAR cards to play on these issues. It will be fear fear fear fear fear all day every day until November. This is the new Republican party with wedge issues that will work well into the future (cause the old gay haters are dying off). They will try to lure fiscal conservatives of all stripes. They won in Wisconsin on these issues. What is our best defence against such attacks on our base?
AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Thanks for reminding me about that. Posting it on Facebook now to annoy people.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)worked out so well for McCain with Palin.
Romney is making the exact same mistake. He is desperate and desperate people don't make rational decisions. We've seen this before.
rgod8855
(10 posts)He may have a lot of things in common with Palin, but his ability to think on his feet and shade the truth is much sharper than Palin. Palin was in over her head, Ryan isn't.
He has a lot of baggage with his budget plan. We can use that against him. That budget plan was so stark, it made England's austerity plan look like a picnic. Notice how well it's going for them?
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)Willard didn't need to fire up his base - they were already motivated by their irrational birther hatred for the president.
He needs to appeal to indies and moderates - and Ryan will do the exact opposite of that.
And he probably motivates more than few unenthusiastic liberals to get their asses to the polls.
Romney's been trying to play coy about his support for the Ryan budget and the Koch agenda - now it's going to be a focus of discussion that he can't run away from.
This was an asinine pick.
Cosmocat
(14,572 posts)I thought Portman was the guy who might help him the most if he could help him in Ohio.
But, Ryan absolutely was a pick to codify the "base." They now get to be a little happier instead of sulking to vote for Romney, but it won't add too many people who were not going that route to begin with.
We have to endure several weeks of the "liberal" media circle jerking to how great he is before the reality of his blindly voting for everything Bush did to create most of the mess were are in, that his "SERIOUS" budget wont' balance until 2028, that his budget sets the framework for destroying medicare and SS will become unavoidable.
He is a lightweight. The Rs and elite media don't get it because he looks pretty with the flip haircut and that makes his being like any other dimwitted R a little different when he spends 30 minute clips espousing tax cuts and undefined budget cuts to them.
But, put him in the big fish bowl and it will come to light.
He isn't a Palin level twit, but he IS a twit.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)It's like losing your high school boyfriend, then spending $200.00 on a new haircut, thinking that he's going to want you back.
Romney's campaign is still in the shithole. He's still an arrogant, secretive, ass. And he chose someone for the SAME reasons McCain chose Palin. Shiny object. Ryan does NOTHING to bring in any new voters. Period.
But damn... he will sure get the tea baggers excited. Sadly, the seniors hate him.. and that was one demographic up for grabs.
If they think that having a guy like that will energize young people (was hearing that last night,) they're wrong. They're not stupid. Romney is on camera saying that he would dismantle Planned Parenthood first thing... he wants a war with Iran... he wants to give more money to the billionaires, while dismantling Head Start. He's still an elitist asshole, and Ryan is a libertarian asshole. If the media thinks that Ryan is going to get young people voting away from the President, they're on crack.
Ryan was a desperation ploy, AND mostly he was a payback for the billion that is being spent on Romney's behalf, by the pseudo libertarian/tea bagger billionaires. They wil not be happy until America resembles Haiti, where a handful of people have all the money, and everyone else is living in squalor. And the koch Brothers, et al, have hired BlackWater to shoot at the poor people if they dare touch their cars as they drive thru. This is the Romney/Ryan vision.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)This gives serious ammunition to dems in all local races, opens opportunity for significant gains in Congress.
The more dems tie their opponents to Ryan's SS/Medicare death plans, the more ground they gain, even in red states.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)He's an old man's dream.
Cane4Dems
(305 posts)paul ryan proposes radical changes in medicare so if a senior citizen truly read the facts about how they would be negatively affected he is really an old man's nightmare haha
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Ryan won't make a difference
dsteve01
(312 posts)End the Austerity!
Won't somebody think of the children?!
From CNBC:
As the euro zone debt crisis deepens and austerity measures take their toll across Europe, the number of young children and babies abandoned across the region has increased, according to local charities. Baby Hatch Germany Nina Ruecker | Getty Images A doll is used to demonstrate a "baby hatch" in Hamburg, Germany, in this 2000 file photo.
The rise in the abandonment of infants across Europe is most visible in the spread of baby hatches or boxes across Europe, where unwanted infants are left anonymously.
The phenomenon was previously more prevalent among immigrants, but it is becoming more widespread among financially desperate members of the local population.
The hatches are sensor-activated so when a baby is placed, an alarm is activated and a carer comes to collect the child. Despite the practice being widely viewed as contravening the 1953 European Convention on Human Rights, of the 27 EU member countries, 11 countries still have "baby hatches" in operation, including Germany, Italy and Portugal.
In those countries where hatches are illegal, the number of infants abandoned in hospitals, clinics and churches has also risen, raising concerns among European charities, the UN and the European Commission that austerity measures and increasing social deprivation are the catalyst for the rise in child abandonment.