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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 03:28 AM Oct 2015

Jim Webb had chance to kick Bernie's ass tonight and decided not to do it

When they asked him about Bernie applying for conscientious objector.

I thought that was very respectable.

COOPER: Secretary (sic) Webb, you served in Vietnam. You're a marine. Once a marine, always a marine. You served as a marine in Vietnam. You're a decorated war hero. You eventually became secretary of the navy.

During the Vietnam War, the man standing next to you, Senator Sanders, applied for status as a conscientious objector. Given his history, can he serve as a credible commander-in-chief?

WEBB: Everybody makes their decisions when the time there is conscription. And as long as they go through the legal process that our country requires, I respect that. And it would be for the voters to decide whether Senator Sanders or anyone else should be president.

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Jim Webb had chance to kick Bernie's ass tonight and decided not to do it (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 OP
He would have just come off more hawkish if he tried. Fearless Oct 2015 #1
I agree. It would have hurt Webb more than it hurt Bernie. The historically correct position was Enthusiast Oct 2015 #15
Webb and Sanders are allies. Kalidurga Oct 2015 #2
Bernie's Veterans bill last year was certainly a big deal jfern Oct 2015 #3
Bernie did good with the veterans bill Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #11
great comment marym625 Oct 2015 #4
Lotta people "served" in Vietnam, did the full tour of hell, delrem Oct 2015 #5
Enlisting is a personal choice and I do not think a Presidential Candidate need to explain why! akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #6
I think a person should always explain why he/she's pro-war. Whatever war. delrem Oct 2015 #7
Some people enlisted because murielm99 Oct 2015 #10
It was an incredibly classy thing for Webb to say. lovemydog Oct 2015 #8
^^^^^^^ This ^^^^^^^^^ eom left on green only Oct 2015 #9
Agreed deutsey Oct 2015 #12
Yes it a classy move Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #16
My step-father, who served in Europe as a sergeant in the artillery durng WWII, Joe Chi Minh Oct 2015 #13
Webb and Chafee both fell flat davidpdx Oct 2015 #14

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
15. I agree. It would have hurt Webb more than it hurt Bernie. The historically correct position was
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 06:35 AM
Oct 2015

to oppose the Vietnam War. That is undeniable.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
2. Webb and Sanders are allies.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 03:36 AM
Oct 2015

They work together on veterans issues. And I think that Webb carries scars from the war to this day. He will remain loyal to anyone who helps him with the pain he carries. Working on those issues helps him to deal, he clearly understands that vets need a stronger safety net and more services to help them with their pychic and physical wounds.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
3. Bernie's Veterans bill last year was certainly a big deal
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 03:40 AM
Oct 2015

Bernie became Veterans chair exactly when Webb left the Senate, though.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
5. Lotta people "served" in Vietnam, did the full tour of hell,
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 03:41 AM
Oct 2015

and who didn't agree.
In fact IIRC the number who agreed, among the youth, was a minority.
Since the Vietnam war didn't make a lick of sense.

The differences were between tactics for dealing with the abhorrent situation.

Here in Canada we benefited by an influx of draft dodgers and their families, who tended to be very likable folk with a large creative potential. For certain those draft dodgers had a better outcome than the poor sobs who ended up in a paddy in Vietnam with their heads blown off. Life is unfair because there is no justice. Not really.

Maybe we should learn to not enter into wars of choice like Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria?

Maybe?

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
6. Enlisting is a personal choice and I do not think a Presidential Candidate need to explain why!
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 03:49 AM
Oct 2015

Lots of Americans were against the Vietnam war.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
7. I think a person should always explain why he/she's pro-war. Whatever war.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 04:01 AM
Oct 2015

"Oh! But the war is there! I'm from a military family! So yippee ai yae!"
Well, that's an explanation of sorts. A bloody poor excuse for an explanation, especially for a candidate for POTUS, but there you go. It's what you've got.

murielm99

(30,765 posts)
10. Some people enlisted because
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 05:09 AM
Oct 2015

they knew they would be drafted otherwise. They chose, if qualified, a branch of the service that they saw as a better personal option. It did not necessarily mean they avoided combat.

I grew up during the Vietnam era. Most of the people I knew were against the war. Many people served honorably, in spite of their reservations. It was a tough time for young men. They had to make difficult, life altering decisions.

I cannot disrespect anyone's choices during that time. No one, Presidential candidate or otherwise, should have to explain themselves.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
8. It was an incredibly classy thing for Webb to say.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 04:04 AM
Oct 2015

In my opinion it also shows that even our worst democratic candidate is a million times better than the republicans' best candidate.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
13. My step-father, who served in Europe as a sergeant in the artillery durng WWII,
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 06:24 AM
Oct 2015

often said in his opinion the conscientious objectors were the really courageous one. It took more courage. Not that I personally think it was a wise choice in WWII.

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