2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMillenials Are The Key To Democratic Success And Overwhelmingly, THEY WANT BERNIE
Obama rode a wave of youth support to the Democratic nomination and the White House in 2008, connecting with them and motivating them to show up in November. In 2014, however, Democrats saw their Senate majority slip away as candidates across America ran to the center to appeal to the oft-cited-and-fawned-over "swing voters," and Millenials stayed home as a result.
Millenials (ie the 18-34 demographic) are the most fickle of all voter groups, and it's tough to get them to turn out. Older, mostly retired voters can be counted on to turn out regardless, but the trick to success is getting the Millenials excited. So then, who gets the Millenials excited? Overwhelmingly, the answer is Bernie Sanders.
The latest national Quinnipiac Poll breaks down favorability by age:
17. Is your opinion of Hillary Clinton favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about her?
....................... AGE IN YRS..............
....................... 18-34 35-49 50-64 65+
Favorable.......... 48% 45% 40% 36%
Unfavorable....... 49 53 56 59
Hvn't hrd enough 4 1 2 3
22. Is your opinion of Bernie Sanders favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?
....................... AGE IN YRS..............
....................... 18-34 35-49 50-64 65+
Favorable.......... 47% 35% 35% 27%
Unfavorable....... 15 24 36 32
Hvn't hrd enough 37 40 28 39
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/us/us09242015_ui47mfb.pdf
So while Hillary is underwater with Millenials at (-1%), Bernie sports a stunning +32% favorability rating, with -- and this is important to note -- 37% still yet to make up their mind. If the undecided voters break for Bernie at the same rate as the decideds, that will come out to a 75-24 spread for a 51% favorable rating for Bernie, giving him a whopping 52 point favorability lead over Hillary among Millenials. The age gap here is stark. Boomers may not be "feeling the Bern", but Millenials love Bernie, and it's the latter that Democrats are going to be counting on next November to put down their smartphones and show up at their nearest polling place to pull the lever.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/15/1432947/-Millenials-are-the-key-to-Democratic-success-and-overwhelmingly-they-want-Bernie
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Anecdotal ... sure.
Segami
(14,923 posts)and it becomes clear that Hillary has peaked in the "haven't heard enough" category while Bernie has room to grow across all the age groups.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)with a very exciting campaign which they are very actively a part of.
randr
(12,412 posts)If either the millennials or women showed up in above 60% figures and voted democrat it would be the end of all Republican legislators.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)brooklynite
(94,591 posts)...until it came time to actually vote.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)If you are depending on young people to vote you in well..good luck because they usually don't show up on election day.
frylock
(34,825 posts)and look what happened.
brooklynite
(94,591 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Remember him?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)with a brilliant ad campaign of Hope & Change that so many youth fell for, well among others that fell for his Madison Avenue slickness.
brooklynite
(94,591 posts)Where's Dennis Kucinich when you need him?
TM99
(8,352 posts)the fact that he campaigned as a progressive but has governed as a neoliberal.
brooklynite
(94,591 posts)...I recall his policy positions were never significantly different than Clinton's. I think a lot of people projected their "hope" for "change" on him and saw what they wanted.
That said, they were apparently happy to vote for him in 2012.
TM99
(8,352 posts)I was not one of them.
However, those that did expected him to be true to his words. He was not. That is called lying. The lie might have been a campaign, but why trust another lying neoliberal New Dem who will campaign as a progressive but not govern as one.
A lot of pissed off people are not planning on being duped again. I just hope it is enough to offset the horribly typical ignorant American voter easily swayed by ad campaigns, punditry, and the MSM.
I want Sanders to win, but I am not holding my breath.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Neither was the austerity
artislife
(9,497 posts)Different times.
We are seeing the effects of climate change, most have seen their parents lose a lot during the crash of 2010, food is a large focus.
The shit hit the fan for most of America since Dean ran. It may be hard for you to understand from your self proclaimed bubble.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Relies on completely writing off the largest individual age group in the US.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)If you eke out a bare victory you still have excuses for doing what your real owners want and telling your voters how hard you are trying but the other side is just so unreasonable.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)No white males or youth. As this moves forward, other demographics will be thrown under the bus too as they switch their loyalties to Sanders.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)66% of Millennials voted for Obama in 2008
Millennials are the most likely demographic to vote Progressive.
Not a bad voting block to have on your side! Especially since they are the Tech generation and Bernie's campaign is Internet based.
Go Bernie!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Aren't those abortions and food stamps?
Do you know how to make a graph, Janey?
artislife
(9,497 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)And having grown up in a bullshit advertising saturated media environment they are much more attuned to filtering out doublespeak than older generations.
Wish as you might, Bernie is connecting with the younger generations more than the older ones, seeing someone genuine talking in words you can parse without it making your head hurt on the national political stage is such an extreme rarity that he stands out like the Kohinoor diamond in a coal bin.
I give Bernie realistically about a 25% chance, the establishment is really going to go to full on Ludicrous Speed on the Mighty Wurlitzer against him, he and his campaign and supporters will be trudging inch by painful inch into a howling blizzard of shit. It will be far more vile than anything that was said in 2008 by any side.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)But this isn't normal. People are tired of establishment politics.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)..according to that poll.
That's a LOT of people who have yet to FEEL THE BERN!!!
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Voting, Hillary supporters are now hoping they don't vote.
File this under, careful what you wish for.
JaneyVee doesn't miss a beat.
artislife
(9,497 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)More and more, the world they see around them doesn't match what they believe in. to rectify the two, they do stuff like this.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Start with the premise, Bernie dropped his bid today and endorsed Hillary.
Then ask them something about Hillary's. Every time I take Hillary to task, and I've seen it elsewhere when others do the same, it's met with a barrage of, "But, but, but Bernie said" this, that, or the other. It's like the scientific method and we need a control population. Lol
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)A few links to "What Hillary will do for Millenials" articles.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)..to get their kids up & at that polling booth.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)He has friends who are pumped up for Bernie, too.
He says none of his friends like Hillary.
a kennedy
(29,672 posts)presidential elections?? Democrats get killed in the off presidential years.....gotta keep the enthusiasm up for down the Democratic ticket. JMHO
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Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)Last edited Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:29 PM - Edit history (1)
Hillary 48% Favorable
Bernie 47% Favorable
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)You are neglecting to compare the unfavorable numbers for Clinton & Sanders though.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)LettuceSea
(337 posts)The "suck it up and get in line if you want to win" generation vs the "i'm no pawn and my vote is my own" generation.
It was easier to coalesce in 2008 because the younger generation got who they wanted, any the older voters were better at coming together even after not getting who they wanted. 2004, the young vote 'did not cooperate'...and we lost.
There's something to be learned from 2004...if HRC is the nominee, I hope the establishment does better job of attracting millennial votes, as opposed to blaming them and anyone else for losing. Makes me sick when we become the party of excuse makers.