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Thu Oct 15, 2015, 04:41 PM

 

MEDIA WATCH: WHY IS MEDIA COVERING UP WHO WON DEMOCRATIC DEBATE, ACCORDING TO POLLS?

http://eastcountymagazine.org/media-watch-why-media-covering-who-won-democratic-debate-according-polls

October 15, 2015 (San Diego) – After the CNN-hosted Democratic presidential candidate debate Wednesday, all major polls--including CNN’s own poll--showed Bernie Sanders the winner by wide margins. Yet post-debate coverage by CNN and other major media almost unanimously declared Hillary Clinton the winner.

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Right after the debate, a CNN poll found 81% of viewers thought Sanders won. A CNN-Facebook poll, no longer findable on the CNN website, at one point had Sanders on top with 75% of the vote, Clinton with 18%, O’Malley and Webb with 3% and Chafee with 1%.

Yet CNN’s post-debate coverage included articles titled “Hilary Clinton’s Big Night on the Debate Stage” and “Best of Hilary Clinton from the Dem Debate.” When viewers complained about the obvious distortion in coverage compared to polls, CNN started deleting critical comments leading new commenters to compare the tactics to Russia, as Media Equalizer reported.

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Time magazine’s poll: Sanders 59%., Clinton 12%. U.S. News live blog poll : Sanders 82%, Clinton 12%. Google Consumer Surveys poll conducted for IJ Review, (founded by a past advisor to ex-Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney): Sanders 43.7%--15 points ahead of Clinton. Fox 5 San Diego TV: Sanders 78.77%. Google Trends also found Sanders won as the most-Googled candidate post-debate in all 50 states. Sanders was also the most-discussed candidate on Facebook, followed by Clinton then Webb, U.S. News reports.

We could not find a single poll that put Clinton in the lead, nor any of the other contenders. Yet the major corporate-owned media blithely fawned over Clinton’s “victory.”

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Follow the money

According to the Pulitzer Prize-winning fact-check site Politifact, (image, right) Time-Warner, which owns CNN, is the 7th largest donor to Clinton's campaign. Her top donors also include primarily banks and corporations -- the very institutions Sanders has railed against and seeks to regulate. Tellingly, two of her opponents, O'Malley and Sanders, criticized Clinton in the debate her opposition to breaking up big banks -- footage not shown on the major networks. (Sanders' major donors are predominantly in labor, education, and civil justice.)

Besides direct donations by some media outlets to the Clinton campaign, Politico in May reported on media donations to the Clinton Foundation. Those include NBC, Viacom (owner of CBS), the CEO of Fox News, a top ABC anchor, the New York Times, the Washington Post, Reuters news service, an anchor for PBS, and many more amounting to millions of dollars in media money.

Conspiracy or coincidence?

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Reply MEDIA WATCH: WHY IS MEDIA COVERING UP WHO WON DEMOCRATIC DEBATE, ACCORDING TO POLLS? (Original post)
AgingAmerican Oct 2015 OP
brooklynite Oct 2015 #1
bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #8
AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #14
JaneyVee Oct 2015 #2
1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #3
AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #4
wyldwolf Oct 2015 #5
AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #7
wyldwolf Oct 2015 #9
AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #12
wyldwolf Oct 2015 #13
AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #15
wyldwolf Oct 2015 #16
AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #18
wyldwolf Oct 2015 #20
AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #22
wyldwolf Oct 2015 #23
AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #26
wyldwolf Oct 2015 #28
AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #42
AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #37
mythology Oct 2015 #31
AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #43
DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #6
Fearless Oct 2015 #10
Wellstone ruled Oct 2015 #11
winter is coming Oct 2015 #25
WillyT Oct 2015 #17
workinclasszero Oct 2015 #19
Juicy_Bellows Oct 2015 #21
AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #24
Juicy_Bellows Oct 2015 #27
Go Vols Oct 2015 #29
mythology Oct 2015 #32
AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #33
hifiguy Oct 2015 #30
Sunlei Oct 2015 #34
frylock Oct 2015 #35
panader0 Oct 2015 #36
Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #38
Name removed Oct 2015 #39
AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #40
kenn3d Oct 2015 #41

Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 04:43 PM

1. How about: irrelevance?

If it makes you happy to vote in online polls, knock yourself out. No reputable polling organization would stand by them. They're clickbait for the relevant website sponsor.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 04:53 PM

8. The OP is stating that she is in bed with

the corporate media. She will do their bidding. You keep trying to make sense of this stealing of democracy just so your candidate can win at the cost of the people's right to fair debates and elections. She is bought and you supporting her well........

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:17 PM

14. More like

 

The corporate media fears Bernie Sanders and will do anything in it's power to marginalize him.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 04:45 PM

2. Please proceed, governor.

 

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 04:45 PM

3. It's a conspiracy!!! n/t

 

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 04:46 PM

4. ...

 

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 04:47 PM

5. Because the media doesn't believe in fairytales and Internet polls.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 04:49 PM

7. They don't believe in their own polls?

 

That's pretty obvious, per the article.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 04:54 PM

9. Not in any meaningful way

OH they love how many people came to the site and click buttons. Suckers. LOL.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:12 PM

12. ...

 

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:14 PM

13. Posting online poll results over and over...

Still doesn't make them true

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:18 PM

15. So every poll and every focus group is wrong

 

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:21 PM

16. Nope

But every ONLINE poll where people can vote multiple times is inaccurate.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:25 PM

18. So the fact she lost every poll and focus group

 

...is because Sanders supporters voted multiple times? How many times did Hillary supporters vote? Do you have any evidence to back your hypothesis?



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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #18)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:30 PM

20. Online polls are wildly inaccurate

Votere have to meet certain criteria - age, location, citizenship and in many cases party affiliation. And, of course, a voter gets one vote.

Internet poll takers can be any age, in any part of the world, of any political persuasion or party. All they need is a computer. And they can vote more than once. Additionally you don't even have to be human to vote in Internet polls. Bots can be written to vote in Internet polls. Someone on DU got banned once for doing that very thing.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #20)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:39 PM

22. Focus group results mirror the poll results

 

The trend is clear and undeniable.

Now, how do you explain away the focus groups mirroring exactly what the online polls showed? What's the spin on that?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #22)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:54 PM

23. As a writer for The Nation said ...


The answer is that no journalist worth his or her salt takes those focus groups or online polls seriously.

The former have a handful of people watching the back-and-forth with these little doozers that they can dial up or down, so they're artificially compelled to hang onto every word in a way that no normal person watching a debate ever does. The latter are meaningless.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:59 PM

26. Thanks, I was wondering about how you guys would spin that one

 

The corporate shills and media (who are backing her) insist she won. The people say Sanders slaughtered her. Who is correct?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #26)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:06 PM

28. It's fun watching The Nation and Salon get thrown under the bus

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 08:35 PM

42. Hers's some good ol' fashion fun for you

 

Here are 21 polls showing Sanders winning handily. I challenge you to post a single poll showing she won.

Thanks in advance!

1. C-SPAN: Sanders (7.2k) |Clinton (938)
2. TIME: Sanders 60% | Clinton 12%
3. CNN: Sanders 81% | Clinton 12%
4. Drudge: Sanders 61% (126,448 votes) | Clinton 6.74% (13,925 votes)
5. Dailykos: Sanders 59% (7,970 votes) | Clinton 34% (4,659 votes)
6. Slate: Sanders 75% | Clinton 18%
7. Syracuse: Sanders 78.11% (3,190 votes) | Clinton 15.77% (644 votes)
8. Fox5: Sanders 77.35% (30,248) | Clinton 15.86% (6,204 votes)
9. MSNBC: Sanders 81% | Clinton 12%
10. Wishtv8: Sanders 77.65% | Clinton 13.15%
11. Advocate: Sanders 77% | Clinton 19%
12. Nationalreview: Sanders 558 votes | Clinton 39 votes
13. 9news: Sanders 8.9k votes | Clinton 2.2k votes
14. Wwnc: Sanders 78% | Clinton 15%
15. Philadelphia.cbslocal: Sanders 81.03% | Clinton 14.56%
16. Postonpolitics: Sanders 84% | Clinton 10%
17. AJC: Sanders +225 -20 | Clinton +62 -108
18. Controversialtimes: Sanders 84.42 | Clinton 10.39
19. Tcpalm: Sanders 74% | Clinton 18%
20. WRIC 8NEWS: Sanders 75% | Clinton 6%
21. WGY: Sanders 68% | Clinton 12%

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:17 PM

31. No, they believe in their own scientific polling

 

Online, non-scientific polling is about generating traffic to look at ads.

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Response to mythology (Reply #31)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 08:38 PM

43. That doesn't explain the pattern that emerged

 


1. C-SPAN: Sanders (7.2k) |Clinton (938)
2. TIME: Sanders 60% | Clinton 12%
3. CNN: Sanders 81% | Clinton 12%
4. Drudge: Sanders 61% (126,448 votes) | Clinton 6.74% (13,925 votes)
5. Dailykos: Sanders 59% (7,970 votes) | Clinton 34% (4,659 votes)
6. Slate: Sanders 75% | Clinton 18%
7. Syracuse: Sanders 78.11% (3,190 votes) | Clinton 15.77% (644 votes)
8. Fox5: Sanders 77.35% (30,248) | Clinton 15.86% (6,204 votes)
9. MSNBC: Sanders 81% | Clinton 12%
10. Wishtv8: Sanders 77.65% | Clinton 13.15%
11. Advocate: Sanders 77% | Clinton 19%
12. Nationalreview: Sanders 558 votes | Clinton 39 votes
13. 9news: Sanders 8.9k votes | Clinton 2.2k votes
14. Wwnc: Sanders 78% | Clinton 15%
15. Philadelphia.cbslocal: Sanders 81.03% | Clinton 14.56%
16. Postonpolitics: Sanders 84% | Clinton 10%
17. AJC: Sanders +225 -20 | Clinton +62 -108
18. Controversialtimes: Sanders 84.42 | Clinton 10.39
19. Tcpalm: Sanders 74% | Clinton 18%
20. WRIC 8NEWS: Sanders 75% | Clinton 6%
21. WGY: Sanders 68% | Clinton 12%

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 04:55 PM

10. When a group has the same interests

They don't need to collude to come to the same conclusions.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:12 PM

11. Booked Add Sales. All about the Dollars.

 

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:56 PM

25. +1. You don't bite the hand that pays you. n/t

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:23 PM

17. K & R !!!

 


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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:26 PM

19. Watch out for the

 

Black helicopters

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:33 PM

21. Nothing to see here.

Unbelievable how I haven't seen one HRC supporter simply say that Bernie had won and the media is trying to spin it in her favor. It's obvious that is what occurred but they can't bring themselves to admit it or they don't give a shit.

Not scientific - granted but to act as if all these polls just happened by magic is not being truthful.




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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Reply #21)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:56 PM

24. As the party shifts to the right

 

Integrity and honesty are the first casualties. This sort of thing would have been unthinkable in the Democratic party not long ago. This is how Republicans have always operated. It's pretty disconcerting seeing it coming from the party apparatus.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #24)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:00 PM

27. So very true. I wish it weren't.

I blame the money, after it all it does seem to be the one thing they really focus on. We see ISSUES they see I$$UE$.

Cheers!

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #24)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:13 PM

29. " This sort of thing would have been unthinkable in the Democratic party not long ago."

Exactly,but not that long ago to me could be before a lot of voters were born.They can't live it,only read about it.

:/

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #24)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:27 PM

32. Honesty is apparently being redefined

 

It's not honest to pass off unscientific polls that have a disclaimer telling you that they aren't accurate because they are self-selected and so have no controls for demographics as some way to verify anything. It's actually dishonest to be using those polls as a way to "prove" that Sanders won or the big scary media is trying to cover it up. It's dishonest because you either know, or should know, your evidence isn't actually proof of what you say.

Honesty is this - until there are multiple real scientific polls, there is no way to tell who won the debate. Neither the pundits nor the useless internet polls can actually determine which candidate(s) will rise or fall in the larger public's estimation. In theory a pundit should have some experience or specialized education to make their opinion more valuable than a random guess, but I haven't seen any studies on that over time. A non-random, non-weighted poll is meaningless because it's not representative of the universe of likely voters.

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Response to mythology (Reply #32)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:31 PM

33. CNN ignored their own poll results and declared her the winner

 

CNN's parent company is one of her biggest backers. Time Warner stands to lose political power should Sanders win. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

The fact EVERY poll and EVERY focus group shows the same thing tells us there is a trend in that direction.

It isn't about 'fact' it's about 'trend'.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:17 PM

30. The media have received their marching orders

 

from their corporate owners. Nothing else matters, especially the truth. The truth is what they make it.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:47 PM

34. They both did excellent. Ds are fortunate to have such non divisive, respectful candidates

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:58 PM

35. It's funny to see people who have been squawking about the VRWC and the complicit media..

now posting about tinfoil hats and black helicopters while they wholeheartedly support the opinions of the very people they have been railing against for decades.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 07:15 PM

36. "footage not shown on the major networks"

How can anyone defend that? Disgusting!
The curtain is being lifted. My daughter, never much into politics, called me today from Anchorage to
express her outrage. Bernie won, PERIOD.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 07:44 PM

38. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, AgingAmerican.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #39)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 08:06 PM

40. None of the polls on this subject show her winning or even close

 

Not one. Most of them show her losing by magnitudes. The focus group results match exactly the results of EVERY poll.

Coincidence or trend?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 08:14 PM

41. Media Equalizer said it screenshotted comments on CNN’s Facebook and saw some had since disappeared.

A CNN/Facebook poll showed online voters overwhelmingly picking Sanders as the winner.

Now Sanders supporters are saying the poll was deleted completely from CNN. They are claiming the network is hiding support for Sanders to appeal to Clinton and her campaign.

Beyond the poll, users are saying their pro-Sanders comments are being deleted on CNN’s Facebook page.
Media Equalizer said it screenshotted comments on CNN’s Facebook and saw some had since disappeared. Facebook users are commenting on many CNN posts asking about the poll and their comments.
http://elitedaily.com/news/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters-cnn-delete-facebook/1248597/

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