Both Hillary and Bernie did well. Congrats to both. Hillary will most likely be the nominee.

[RBInMaine]

Both did well in the debate. The fundamentals remain the same. A "socialist" isn't going to get the nomination and could not win the general election.

Hillary was poised, polished, confident, and spot on. She is PROGRESSIVE. She will most likely be the nominee.

Hillary-bashing is an INSULT to Bernie Sanders and DAMAGES Sanders. He would be disgusted with it. Kudos to him for saying that Hillary's emails are a waste of time and that we need focus on the real issues.

[Ed Suspicious]

1. Your opinion is yours.

[RBInMaine]

3. And shared by virtually all political experts. Really like Bernie, but no experts think he can win.

[cascadiance]

6. "Experts" bought and paid for by the corporate rulers who don't want anyone threatening them...

... in their quest to make this a fascist state. A lot of those same "experts" predicted that Hillary had the nomination in 2008 too. And look what happened since then.

[brooklynite]

8. So your opinion is that it is impossible for anyone to arrive at an opinion different than yours?

[cascadiance]

9. I'm questioning what seems to be your conclusion that YOUR opinion represents everyone else's...

... or at least a majority of Americans. Paid shills opinions and your opinions are just that, and don't represent the rest of our opinions. And even though not scientifically putting out accurate numbers about how everyone else feels, the internet polls indicate that there's quite a bit of different opinions on who won than the pundits and YOUR opinion hold.

[JaneyVee]

12. So what explains MSMs glowing coverage of insurgent Obama in 2008 over

Establishment Hillary? Kinda ruins your narrative.

[cascadiance]

16. I think most polls and "experts" predicted Hillary winning at this time then...

Obama fueled that by having a more nebulous campaign of "Hope and Change" that many "hoped" would do the things that many feel Bernie is more committed to and descriptive of in delivering on.

The media then wanted a horse race between Obama and Hillary then. That is why Edwards was probably told to draw in the progressive votes early on so that those votes could go in to a black hole right before Super Tuesday and make it a two person race between two entities who both were part of the corporate establishment and flush any other voices like Dennis Kucinich's aside by that time in the primary process, so that he couldn't ask in a debate what Obama might really mean when he said he would "renegotiate NAFTA". Without a true progressive in at that point, these substantive exploration of issues wasn't done, and people were just clinging to "Hope" for change then. That is why Obama won then.

[JaneyVee]

18. Yes, due to polls they predicted she would win, all the while...

Trashing the shit out of her and giving Obama glowing coverage. Again, that ruins your narrative that MSM wants an establishment and "corporatist".

[cascadiance]

20. I think you are using your own opinion of the coverage then...

I don't remember the media "trashing the shit out of her" then. As I noted, most predicted that she would win, and talked as if it were her nomination to lose (which she did). And they were less afraid then of someone like Obama becoming the nominee than they are of Bernie now, since Bernie is more the genuine article when it comes to delivering REAL hope and change in looking at his long history of accomplishments and activism and CONSISTENCY without having to "evolve" too much or avoid telling us any details of what he really believes about many issues the way Hillary does on things like TPP, etc.

[onehandle]

17. Reality is not an opinion. nt

[Ed Suspicious]

22. So you say. We'll see.

Reality like the reality where Hillary is a "progressive?"

[roguevalley]

25. most likely be the nominee. LOL! Just like she most likely won

the focus groups and every poll out there. Show me one poll that she won. scientific or not, they reflected the moment and she won nada.

[HassleCat]

2. Most likely, yes

I don't know if she's a progressive, but I guess we'll find out.

[RBInMaine]

4. Not a purist, but a progressive beyond any argument. Purity is not reality.

[HassleCat]

28. Beyond any argument?

As a democratic socialist and a progressive, I could make a very good argument that Clinton's progressive credentials are slender. Some of her votes and public statements are decidedly un-progressive. She says she is a progressive now, and guess we'll believe her unless she proves otherwise.

[cascadiance]

5. She's as progressive as the Third Way's "Progressive Policy Institute" is...

which pushes things like the TPP as being "progressive".

America is fed up with labels, which is why the newer generation is going to put the finger to all of the corporatist elements of society and say, "Damn, I'm going to vote in a DEMOCRATIC socialist PROUDLY to be my president, and reverse the SHIT that's been given to us by corporatist owned government that has me screwed in college debt".

The devil is always in the details behind labels. And people are tired of being told they need to just elect people on their surface qualities and not have someone be honest and more descriptive of what their "plan" is, especially when the last president didn't tell us that "renegotiating NAFTA" meant pushing harder than anything else WITH CORPORATE REPUBLICANS an even worse fast track and TPP set of bills that will screw our democracy. We're tired of it and we'll vote in the SUBSTANCE that will take that crap down, not the labels that people try to scare or lure us with!

[bigwillq]

7. I think they both did well from what I saw.

I'm interested to see how it all turns out. Hillary is the favorite at this point, but still a lot of game left to be played.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

10. I agree with you

And I am also a Mainer.

[AgingAmerican]

11. So critique of Hillary harms Sanders?

[Capt. Obvious]

13. I agree they were both awesome

Your back handed compliment not so much.

[dirtydickcheney]

14. "She is PROGRESSIVE"???

Find some examples of where she stood up to Big Money and the result was the takedown of Big Money.

She'll skirt around the edges - but will NEVER take them on in any appreciable way that will cause less $$ coming in.

[mhatrw]

15. Both "did well". Sanders did well at hitting the issues.

Clinton did well at bobbing and weaving and "looking Presidential" while pretending to be a liberal.

Clinton won on style points. That is how pundits and other establishment supporters judge political debates. So congratulations to Hillary. She has done everything in her power to be the perfect election year 2000 Presidential candidate. Unfortunately for her, it is now 2015, and style points and redirection skill are not enough.

This is just my opinion, and I have nothing against Clinton personally. She is certainly less scary than the Clown Car Crazies.

[Eric J in MN]

19. Hillary Clinton is progressive compared to

...any of the Republican presidential candidates.

She isn't progressive compared to Bernie Sanders.

Sanders will get my vote in the primaries. If Clinton is the nominee, then she'll get my vote in the general.

[onehandle]

23. Their voting records are 96% the same.

And one of them didn't vote against the Brady Bill and for gun company profits.

[MoonchildCA]

24. I'll give you the Brady Bill...

...and raise you the Iraq War and The Patriot Act, and the bank bailout.


Indeed, what is liberal?

[TheKentuckian]

26. Liberal is power to the many not the few rich, powerful, and connected.

[pangaia]

27. Hillary is a ....proGRESSive?

Huh! because she YELLS it into the camera... While smiling...

Bernie's introduction was just absolutely stunning. ....!! No kissing his own ass..and all that "Oh, my... tuch, tuch, tuch,. I am just oh so wonderful. and oh.. I came from such a POOR POOR background..." Just "Here is where I stand!" Nobody came close to him.