CNN, Editing the Debate Video and Shutting Down Bernie TV.

[JDPriestly]

I must apologize that I erroneously named Comcast as editing the debate video on the mistaken idea that CNN was owned by Comcast. I apologize.

I am very concerned at the news that CNN has shut down BernieTV over a copyright dispute.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017300918

I am concerned that CNN has edited the debate video and refuses to allow the transmission of the unedited version.

That seems to me to be a curtailment of freedom of speech.

I am concerned that the owner of CNN is editing that video.



Is Net Neutrality at Stake?

The news media (I originally mistakenly named Comcast) has an interest and has expressed its opposition to our current internet policy if I am not mistaken and also has wanted other government favors such as mergers and consolidations of the media.

The agency passed new Internet regulation prevent network owners -- like AT&T (T, Tech30), Comcast (CMCSA), Time Warner Cable (TWC), and Verizon (VZ, Tech30) -- from discriminating against what kind of traffic runs over their networks.

Comcast warned that a bitter legal fight is coming.

"After today, the only 'certainty'... is that we all face inevitable litigation and years of regulatory uncertainty," said Comcast's executive vice president, David Cohen.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/26/technology/comcast-net-neutrality/

Omitted erroneous text.

By shutting down BernieTV, CNN has taken the gloves off.

Now this election is not just about the TPP, IT'S ABOUT NET NEUTRALITY.

And if you believe Hillary's very predictable protestations that she favors net neutrality and will support it, I HAVE A REALLY NICE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT TO SELL YOU.

as stated and proved in the thread above link, Comcast employees are one of the major donors to Hillary's campaign. I must correct any statement I made that may have misinformed DUers that Comcast owns CNN. I apologize for that wrong information.

If you hate net neutrality, you are going to love Hillary and her Comcast gang.

Wow! This is really troubling to me.

CNN is classing itself with Fox in terms of politically biased "news" media.

When the little corporate donors come to call on Hillary, what will they say to her?

When the corporations come to call on Bernie, what will he tell them.

"God bless the child who's got his own."

Bernie's got his own. Hillary's got her rich donors. And they all want something from her.

I apologize for the misinformation about Comcast's role in the editing of the video. Nevertheless, the role of the media of which Comcast and CNN are parts as owners of the media who control access to information in our supposed democracy is precisely what Bernie's campaign is about.

Now we know one of the things that Comcast wants.

[Beaverhausen]

1. Edited the debate video?

what?

[HooptieWagon]

33. Yes.

A point in the debate where Hillary was being challenged on her Wall St ties was allegedly edited out. Bernie2016TV (not affiliated with the campaign) was permitted a live feed by CNN , as they had on previous occasions. They didn't edit out that point of the debate, which is apparently what CNN is unhappy about.

Explained here:
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[Beaverhausen]

37. Are you saying that section was edited out when CNN broadcast the debate on Tuesday night?

[HooptieWagon]

39. Watch the video.

That's the guy who produces Bernie2016TV. I only know the gist of the situation, not all the details. I think he's saying the live debate was edited. Usually there's a several second delay in a live broadcast, to eliminate swear words or cut away in case of some calamity. He was live-streaming the debate, and broadcast the unedited version.

[mythology]

2. Net Neutrality has exactly nothing to do with copyright violation

You don't have the right to steal somebody else's work (that they paid for and made), just because you steal it online. That is very different from blocking say Netflix or Youtube unless they pay to be unblocked.

And free speech clearly not at stake when a private entity is blocking you from stealing their work. Much like free speech isn't at stake when somebody gets a hide on DU or Amazon stops selling confederate flags.

This is really not very complicated and frankly your post is an embarrassment of misinformation and inaccurate fear mongering. Please delete this nonsense.

[JDPriestly]

6. To whom did the Lincoln-Douglas debates belong?

There are just some things that you should not claim to have the right to copyright.

It is really bad public relations.

The presidential and nominating debates are in that category.

I, as a member of the public, view those debates as above copyright laws.

I HAVE DELETED ERRONEOUS INFORMATION I POSTED ABOUT COMCAST AND APOLOGIZE TO COMCAST ABOUT IT.

Nevertheless, the DNC needs to review its contracts with the cable and network companies that are airing the debates.

The debates should be in the public domain or the property of the DNC and open for full public view per contract. CNN should have been required to relinquish its copyright to the debate videos as a matter of protecting the public's right to free speech.

Read the contract before you sign it, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

No media should "OWN" the copyright to public debates that are represented as being impartially and fairly presented.

I do apologize to Comcast.

[Historic NY]

31. I missed the Lincoln-Douglas on the interwebs.

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. Come on, JD ...

To whom did the Lincoln-Douglas debates belong?

That debate wasn't produced and recorded. And, there was no medium for someone else to take and air someone else's product. If it had and if there was, it would have fallen under the same copyright protections.

There are just some things that you should not claim to have the right to copyright.

You are an attorney ... you know better than making that argument.

[Metric System]

3. What's in the unedited debate video that I keep hearing about from Sanders supporters?

[JDPriestly]

4. That's what I want to know.

[Beaverhausen]

9. Do you claim CNN did not show the debate live on Tuesday night?

yes or no?

[JDPriestly]

10. I have no idea. You need to ask CNN. They claim they "OWN" the debate video.

To paraphrase. "Only CNN knows for sure."

I apologize for my error in naming Comcast as the culprit in this abuse of a public trust.

Sorry.

[Beaverhausen]

11. do you think it was edited before it was shown?

you must have an opinion. Come on, tell us what you think they may have edited out, or maybe added?

[daleanime]

28. But you don't have to tell us....

that you're perfectly fine with this. And we appreciate the honesty.

[Beaverhausen]

29. I'm fine with what?

[NCTraveler]

34. You answered the question...

You answered the question if you think the debate was really shown live with an I don't know. Do you really think Clinton and Sanders are part of some big conspiracy along with the members of the audience?

[PowerToThePeople]

17. From what I have heard

It appears they edited portions where he was harshing on the media. One of the edits was done in a way that made a supportive statement in regards to Hillary's email issue look more like an attack.

I have yet to view the whole debate. I would like to be able to view it in an unaltered state.

[NorthCarolina]

5. So, it wasn't a "Live" Debate?

How could they edit a live debate?

[JDPriestly]

12. I did not say that. I don't know whether it was "live," but I think that if we watched in real

time we saw the entire debate.

Just what happened to the video after that we will have to ask CNN, and I suggest that we all do.


Corrected to name CNN rather than Comcast in this post.

Apparently Comcast is not the owner of CNN, and I was mistaken about that.

My apologies.

[Beaverhausen]

7. What was shut down? Some channel that is not part of the official Sanders campaign?

I'm really confused.

[JDPriestly]

15. BernieTV, something put together by Bernie supporters.

Please watch the video I link to in my OP.

The media is not to be trusted. They have done everything possible to block Bernie's campaign, to belittle it. They should just shut up and do their job which is to convey the news about what is going on without shaping the news themselves.

Can you imagine the Lincoln/Douglas debates owned by a TV network.

The thought defiles history and our concept of democracy.

[Beaverhausen]

18. doesn't look like it was shut down

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCmJ8AXSzGtdV3ULju_DqsQ

it's right there.

[JDPriestly]

22. That's good news. Maybe someone at CNN (and I mistakenly blamed Comcast)

realized what a mistake shutting it down was.

Thanks.

[madfloridian]

23. They have been stopped from broadcasting live events until 2016

[Beaverhausen]

24. and it's Youtube that did this?

This channel violated some rule of Youtube users, correct?

[madfloridian]

26. No, apparently CNN

There is supposed to be more about it tonight on that channel They were broadcasting the CNN public view with permission, but apparently went on when CNN ended the debate. Waiting to hear more.

It's a shame because I have watched several live events on that channel. Events with huge crowds not covered by networks.

[Beaverhausen]

38. Where does he get his live feeds for these events?

If it's not from CNN, how can they shut him down? Does CNN own Youtube?

[appalachiablue]

8. The CNN control and restriction of the Dem. Debate is very disturbing. I believe CNN is owned by

Time Warner Inc. and it has received contributions from Clinton. Comcast owns NBC and MSNBC and Time Warner Cable. In the last few years Comcast has actively tried to take over Time Warner Inc. (which also includes HBO and others) but has not been successful.
As you note Comcast is indeed working to change net neutrality, an issue which has been taken up with the FCC, if I have all this straight. The 4-5 Big Media conglomerates are another major threat to democracy, esp. the news organizations they control.

[onenote]

14. More misinformation. Comcast doesn't own Time Warner Cable.

Comcast's attempt to purchase Time Warner Cable fell apart last April. It was very very widely reported. How can you get that basic fact wrong?

[appalachiablue]

25. Are you replying to me? B/c I say that CNN is owned by Time Warner Inc., not Comcast that

owns NBC and MSNBC. Also said Comcast tried to take over Time Warner recently but was not successful.

[onenote]

36. Sorry. I stopped reading after this sentence from your post.

"Comcast owns NBC and MSNBC and Time Warner Cable." Didn't read that you went on to say that Comcast actually doesn't own TWC.

[onenote]

13. Yet again: Comcast doesn't own CNN. Never has. Where do you get your information?

You do yourself no good repeating misinformation that can be checked in a nanosecond.

You should edit your OP or take it down and re-post it with factually accurate information.

[JDPriestly]

16. Time Warner owns CNN.

Comcast and Time Warner want to merge.

CNN is the problem here. I will edit my post.

[onenote]

19. Comcast and Time Warner Inc never sought to merge

Comcast sought to (and failed) to merge with Time Warner Cable, which is a completely separate company from Time Warner Inc, having been spun off six years ago.

Time Warner inc. has three divisions. HBO. Turner (which owns CNN and other basic cable programming networks like TBS and TNT), and Warner Studios.

[JDPriestly]

21. Thanks for clariffying this.

No press organ should try to edit a debate tape.

Sorry I blamed Comcast.

I'm not an expert on the media. And I do not want to be unfair to Comcast.

I have been told that CNN aired Bernie's statement about the "damn e-mails" without including his chastisement of the press.

What a bunch of wimps at CNN.

[Aerows]

20. Time Warner interfering in a political debate for its own interests?

Say it isn't so.

I'm not going to reiterate who Hillary's top campaign donors are - every one knows that Time Warner is way up on that list.

I love this pretending with an innocent *blink blink* look on their face.

[randys1]

27. Regardless of what is or is not happening here, too bad some people have done SO MUCH

bashing of Hillary , that I will probably miss it if one of those people actually comes up with something important.

[Uncle Joe]

30. I'm still curious as to what Hillary's plans for social media are?

Clinton identified an agenda of 21st-century issues -- women, environment, youth, State Department reforms and social media. I call it planetary humanism. But it's not an agenda that gets you into the Secretary of State Hall of Fame.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/12/opinions/miller-hillary-clinton-secretary-of-state-record/index.html

I've asked this on two threads but I never got an answer other than her buying likes on Facebook.

Thanks for the thread, JDPriestly.

[pennylane100]

35. I taped the live debates

I am sure that millions of other did the same. Does that mean they are unedited. I am a little confused, it gets worse as I get older.

[Egnever]

40. CT theories run amok

You tube gets thousands of DMCA requests per day. The system is automated anyone can request a DMCA takedown and typically you tube errs on the side of caution. You can contest the take down and in many cases get the video put back up but as I said, typically you tube errs on the side of caution.

http://www.dmca.com/FAQ/What-is-a-DMCA-Takedown

A DMCA Takedown is:
When content is removed from a website at the request of the owner of the content or the owner of the copyright of the content.

There is certainly an argument to be made that that video should be public domain but I will leave that to the lawyers and you tube to figure out.

[malokvale77]

41. I watched the debate on BernieTV.

This explains my confusion when so many here on DU complained about buffering and being cut off.

I saw the debate in it's entirety. I wish I had downloaded it.

The DNC should be shamed for not making this publicly accessible. What the hell are they doing?

Never mind, it's obvious.

Edit: I understand the Comcast - Time Warner confusion. There was recent talk of merger.